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Microsoft Explains Windows Vista Name

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

July 22, 2005, 2:16 PM

With the announcement of Longhorn's official name, Microsoft has left many users asking: Why Windows Vista? Company representatives told BetaNews that Microsoft felt the new version of Windows "deserved a name that was more representative of what it specifically brings to customers."

"Today, we live in a world of 'more' -- more information, more ways to communicate, more things to do, more opportunities -- and at the same time, more responsibilities. Increasingly, we all turn to our PCs to help us with that," a Microsoft spokesperson said. "At the end of the day, what you're after is a way to break through all the clutter to focus on what you want to focus on, what you need to do. What you're trying to get to is your own personal Vista -- whether that is trying to organize photos, or trying to find a file or trying to connect and collaborate with a number of people electronically."

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By afz

edited Jun 7, 2007 - 2:00 PM

****!!!!
ridi ba in javabet

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By elian

edited Apr 4, 2006 - 12:15 PM

I will buy it onli if it's called Windows 2006!

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By Mike_BG

posted Nov 19, 2005 - 6:26 PM

All Windowses suck, exept 2000, Me & XP Pro and MCE!!!!!!!

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By Mike_BG

posted Nov 19, 2005 - 6:19 PM

yes, the name definately sucks! Vista means Alta la Vista! Windows 06 or 2006 or 07 or 2007 would be better!

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By Mike_BG

edited Nov 19, 2005 - 6:12 PM

Windows Vista sounds more like: "That's the last Windows ever...Asta la Vista, baby!"; Windows 2006 or Windows 06 (Windows 2007 or Windows 07) sound much better!

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By heyupandy

posted Sep 8, 2005 - 8:12 PM

i've worked with windows 98/2000/xp/2003/vista aswell as suse linux 9.3 pro/ suse linux 10 (and many other linux distros such as linspire five-o and i've also worked with mac os x panther and tiger and there all great!!! they've all got something special about them, windows is great coz of the compatibility and range of software available, linux is great coz theres an extremly large range of choice for a free os, the os is free aswell as all the office suites and multimedia apps and paint programs and dvd burning software and internet apps.... mac os x is special aswell, its got a unique user interface, easy to use, very powerful, gud range of software and makes a nice change from the user interface of linux and windows

all these operating systems are great and people who critise other peoples work are sad, especially if the operating system is only in alpha or beta stages....u people seriously need 2 get yourselves a lass ;)

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By microFawad

posted Sep 9, 2005 - 5:55 PM

You (heyupandy) are damn right. Every software have its own cool features. It depends on our need that which one should be used. I like both Windows and Linux. Win is good because its easy to use and it supports wide range of hardware and its best for gaming. In short its best for home users and Linux is best in networking.
I don't know why people are against Microsoft. MS is not forcing you to buy there products. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
Its so sad that every form i visited on the internet contains comparison between Windows, Linux and Mac.

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By iamtux

posted Sep 9, 2005 - 8:35 AM

"u people seriously need 2 get yourselves a lass ;)"
Bravo! I couldn't agree more! I have one and I love mine ;).

Also, you present a great argument for OSes. Its not about which one is better, its about preference. What works for you, what helps you get done what you need to get done. And one that lets you have a little fun on the side too. I wish more people had this attitude, they get too wrapped up in loyalties. Me, I love Windows, its all I've really ever used. I've used a few Linux distros and in high school we used Macs with OS X on the newspaper staff. Those were perfect for that job and I loved the UI and the feel of the OS. I may actually buy one for myself one day.

So like heyupandy said, get a life and get a lass ;).

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By zbignew666

edited Mar 25, 2006 - 9:48 PM

On the first of April, Microsoft will officially announce they've given up on Windows Vista and have agreed to purchase all rights to NeXT/Apple's NextStep and will rename it as Windows VS

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By C0d3weaver

edited Jul 26, 2005 - 10:40 AM

The name doesn't matter, as long as it is recognisable. Longhorn has a higher chance of 'sticking' than Whistler did since more people are using computers now, and hence more people are aware of the existance of longhorn. Also many more people have used alphas of Longhorn than they did of Whistler. I expect that geeks will continue to use the codename 'Longhorn' while users will go on to use the actual name Vista.

For those of you who don't no, it's not so much of a anme change as it is aa actual naming, MS usually codename their OS's after locations, hence Chicargo, Whistler and Longhorn, so again the whole issue of the name is ..well silly.

Now on to this OS debate.
Fact is Windows is better for *
Fact is Linux is better for *
the same goes for most other OS's

Windows
Pros:-
Easy to install, use, upgrade, maintain, configure. Easy[Faster] to quickly develop apps for using .NET. Easy to cash in on when people break it. Stable OS.
Just plain easy
Cons:- Lack of out of the box options, small team of coders[Closed Source] so problems take longer to fix. Expensive. Software additonal software must also be bought. Unable to select componetns and default services during install[lack of geek mode install]. Easier to code bad program for. Higher instance of badly coded resource eating apps due to the fact that the average power user can pick up VS .NET and write a program with very little grasp for programming concepts.

Linux
Pros:- Cheap/Free. More options in terms of distros, More options in terms of packages. Open source. Easy to install[distro dependent]. Very configurable due to modular design.
Lots of support. Lots of apps. Easily obtainable.
Cons:-
Too many options, although good for geeks this confuses users, more distro's should include a 'user' or 'i just want to install this s***' option.[but that depends on purpose]
It depends too much. Again it confused the masses. Too easy to break. Tedious to upgrade. [Can't upgrade from one distro to the next]

If i missed anything just reply.
[I have little expereince with Macs so someone who know should reply objectively]

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By Matrix3000k

posted Sep 18, 2005 - 2:43 AM

great post there but for the comment you made about i just want to install this s***. well a while ago it was not easy to install apps on linux cuase you had to make sure you had the right dependencies installed. now adays will the debian distro alot of linux distros are comming with the apt technology which makes it easy for anyone to intalled packages under linux using the apt-get install feature. this will download and install the packages and dependencies that are needed for the package to work correctly. but other than than im please to see some mature post instead of windows suscks windows is god crap.

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By mntimelord

posted Jul 25, 2005 - 6:57 PM

wow, there sure are a lot of comments on a name change. Vista comes in second though to Mandriva (changed from Mandrake)

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By gd761

edited Jul 25, 2005 - 5:47 PM

For as long as there has been LONGHORN, M/S should keep the retail name LONGHORN since so many people know it.

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By drumcat

posted Jul 25, 2005 - 1:43 PM

You freaks scare me. This is marketing. The marketing is good. MS has always been good at that.

Argue the merits of the OS when it's on topic. As for the name, it's actually pleasant to me.

Whether they're going to have to buy out Vista software... well, that's legal's fault.

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By bourgeoisdude

edited Jul 25, 2005 - 12:58 PM

OOPS-- http://www.tomshardware....ws/20050725_121114.html

Maybe Vista isn't such a good name after all MS...what a stupid thing you've done, you disapoint me. Even I would check around to ensure my business name wasn't already being used. THIS IS STUPID, THE BUSINESS IS IN REDMOND! Dumb on MS's part.

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By SamiChang

edited Jul 25, 2005 - 7:36 AM

Don't you people start blaming Windows Vista already even the beta isn't out yet....and if everything suck about windows why don't u guys go n' start develop your own OS instead of bullsh*tting here ? do u guys know a sh*t about DEVELOP? and don't whine like a grandmo about how windows sucks...go and play with your linux instead

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By Matrix3000k

posted Sep 18, 2005 - 2:45 AM

go get a life and then post dumba**. everyone was just making points of the pros and cons of all OS's so why don'y you go suck bill gates di#k if you want.

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By SamiChang

posted Sep 22, 2005 - 12:01 PM

I would rather go and fv<k your mom

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By school1012

posted Jul 25, 2005 - 2:37 PM

Personally I think Windows has been very good for all of use. I even think longhorn(vista) would be good. The only problem I see is the name is not very catchy. XP made sense XP=eXPerience. Vista does not stand for much(meaning the name). Even though the OS will be excellent. A name can make or break a product.

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By nitinvs

edited Jul 26, 2005 - 4:27 AM

I think that name represents
VISTA
Volunteers In Service To America.
hmm,I'm not American.
But i feel MS is droping some patriotic spirit in its Team.No harm in that:)

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By robertguda

posted Jul 24, 2005 - 11:56 PM

Window$$$...on some machines it performs on others it does'nt. cough up enough $$$ and it works again...the name of the game is $$$ so...the most true to their nature is this, so if they are really interrested I've got the name window$$$ registered. I am willing to sell...

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By imafurby

posted Jul 24, 2005 - 9:57 PM

Windows Turd, now you're talkin'.
A nice companion to Lin-sux and CrApple.

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By Matrix3000k

posted Sep 18, 2005 - 2:47 AM

and here we go with the BS about how bad linux sucks and windows is god. get a life man. if you like window jerk off to it then. every os out there is good for something.

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By skaarj

edited Jul 24, 2005 - 8:29 PM

What Microsoft calls their new O/S is their business. As long as it will do what I need it to do, they can call it Windows Turd for all I care. Besides, Vista isn't any lamer than the name of any Linux distro.

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By mntimelord

posted Jul 24, 2005 - 10:43 AM

what the hell was that?

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By acronymity

edited Jul 24, 2005 - 3:40 AM

Aminochaos is (as usual) absolutely correct and absolutely paranoid. Every thing Windows is increasingly cornered into commercial glut.

Pity Bill Gates, americas richest carpet bagger, trying to stir up interest in a saturated market. His only recourse is to hype market gizmos that will corner sales. Every users identity is already a known commodity. The next step is to market push only what sells and excitres selling the most. Each terminal's connect background fitted to a unique and increasingly monotonous but fever piched lust to consume.

This is very very much like television. IQ's of TV addicts plummet. As expected [Bandura et al] effectively defining their view of reality is "dirt easy" [Rumsfeld]. The polity and the economy coallesce in admiration of the new market;s simplicitry. Add to this that momentarily the computer has afforded a creative approach to electronic interaction.
Momentarily the computer literate have checked their intellectual decline. Say goodbye to that creeativity.

TV used to be a brain tonic for those that could afford it. Now that computers are headed for the commercial scrap heap, what will polarize the quest of the human intellect for unfettered creativity? Or is the end of a very brilliant and decades long luminosity finally pushing us back into that medieval darkness so desired by those with big pocket wads today? How eager they are to kill their competition, trahing the individuality that defines freedom and democratic society. As long as they are at the top of their scrap heap.

They are truly at the top of their scrap heap. Longhorn was a strategic platitude for the mad bomber. "Vista", the name ripped off from just down the road in Redmond, is sure to make every plastic shopping card a subset of one man's personal vista. Like it or not, in a few years computers not force-feeding tailored consumerism will fall silent.

Some good things to think about will help Aminchaos get over fear of omnipotent change. First, as IQ scores descend, it will be easier for Americans to utter monosyllabic acknowedgements of each other and the universe. Making us all relax knowing that we must all be on the same wave length, making individuality and freedom a very real threat to the controlled matrix of the Vista. Second, women can at last feel like their intense urge to shop appropriately has been satisfied. Third, while 99.9% of the economy slumps into greater recession, organizations like Microsoft will dwindle in number, making it a whole lot easier for Americans to locate and worship market leaders. Fourth, a knowledge hungry third world will easily swallow our developing electronic tunnel vision, ensuring the harmony of a continueing slave labor force to provide the things that really count, like food and clothes and electronic parts. Fifth, the more our politicians are pizzazed by electronic signals the greater will be the electronic presence in our classrooms. No matter that their IQ's are shrinking. Our children will nerver find a way out of this tunnel, ensuring that in hundreds of years, when a technological nourishing agent might possibly emerge, the finally freed human intellect will enjoy the Mother of All Cerebvral Orgasms.

Anyway. Google your world and it all makes sense. Everyone wants a sensible world. Freedom is just too tiresome. I am already getting ready to spend my last penny to live in one of the world's biggest and bestest crowds!

Chew on that, Bill!

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By PhilTR

edited Jul 23, 2005 - 11:05 PM

What I rally want is to keep "content providers" at arms length. I expect them to respect my property and keep their stuff out of my computer. Its mine not theirs. I'll set the "policies" that enable them to send me content. If they don't like my policies they can peddle their deal some where else.

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By St3althcAt

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 8:37 PM

Please do not say that this OS is s*** when it hasn't even came out. How can you say this is going to be a new Windows ME? Even the beta hasn't come out, how can you something like that. When I was using my Windows 98 and heard about XP, I wasn't thinking on migrating my OS to XP, because Windows 98 was very good, but I also didn't say that XP was going to be a new Windows ME. I just waited it came out, tried it, liked it and now I use it. But speaking about a thing that didn't came out, its like throwing words to the air. Wait until the final version or a Beta version very similar to the final comes out.
And quit those comments saying "Linux rules", etc.. This isn't a Linux vs Windows post. I use regularly Windows XP, Linux, Solaris and Mac Os X and these four OS have all their advantages and disadvantages.
Thank you.

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By Dark_Sniper*

edited Jul 23, 2005 - 4:54 PM

This is some funny s*** gates has nothing betterto do thanik god i only use freaking windows forr games other then that i use my Mac, and my Linux machine shoot linux is freaking better then windows all the way. There are no holes in linux nor mac everything is good. i say F*** gates and his dum new "Windows Vista"

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By Svenny

edited Jul 26, 2005 - 9:34 AM

Gates? Wtf does he have to do with this?
Any idea what he does at MS, he is just owner thats all so stop saying stupid things about Bill...

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By SamiChang

edited Jul 25, 2005 - 7:39 AM

Go n' f*** yourself ... if everything suck about windwos...and don't u bullsh*tting about there is not holes in linux...dude there is even holes on you so don't even mention about linux..

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By Pegusis2

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 3:20 PM

I say stop creating new O/S's every 3 or 4 years and just continue with the ones we have. If people are paying for these O/S's than we should have support and updates from the time of purchase until the time, we the people who buy Microsoft products, get rid of the computer... Most of the darn holes must be fixed by now... and if not Fix them. Why re-create the freakin wheel every 3 or 4 years when all you need is to add a little more Air to the ones you've got going. And that was not a question... I know why - Big Business wants to line their pockets a little more, because it's BS to stop supporting or updating what you've built and sold to millions of people.

And as far as the name Vista ... I Can't say as it's sounds too appealing.

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By emperorubby

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 1:37 PM

This OS to XP will end up like ME to 98 -- and Microsoft will come up with another win2000 in two years.

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By longbow486

edited Jul 23, 2005 - 6:25 PM

i agree compleatly and 100% but the time frame that it took M$ to make ME was much much shorter than for Longhorn but that doesnt mean its better at all for its M$ and nothing is perfect from them

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By jofin

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 11:42 AM

More expense, more retail price, more software updates, more critical updates, more software problems, more billions to Bill Gates. Yes, MORE sounds about right to me!

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By AdamF

edited Jul 23, 2005 - 9:40 AM

We will get used to the name, like people have got used to Windows.

All you wanted to know about Windows Vista: http://www.vistaarticles.com

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By rich430

edited Jul 23, 2005 - 7:17 AM

Vista Vista, We don care that much for the name .. just give us stability and security and call it windows ben laden if u like :P

Bill Laden

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By Matrix3000k

posted Sep 18, 2005 - 2:51 AM

lol thats pretty funny. and you are right. after all these years microsoft should come up with a better stable and less seucrity os by now. windows 2000 was great but after that it went back down hill. windows is a good os linux is a good os and mac is a good os, its all personal prefernce. i use all three myself. but mostly linux now since i found more stability in it than windows. im not knocking on windows or anything but again its all about personal prefernce.

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By bnreddy

edited Jul 23, 2005 - 4:46 AM

"!!!"
While tipsyboy's score never goes up from 0 even after his so many comments posted- what is left for me to comment to get atleast my score 1 (above all)

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By Scary Guy

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 3:22 PM

I've never seen a score above or below 0. My guess is it was part of a user self regulation system that hasn't been fully set up, maybe in the future. I just kind of stopped paying attention to them as I tend to rate things based on content.

Or maybe they give posts with "Foul language and personal attacks" a rating of -1 so that they nolonger appear to regular readers but are still there for archival purposes (like if it's so bad they need to get the cops involved, or if someone releases trade secret information on here and someone can get sued over it, or who knows).

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By tipsyboy

edited Jul 23, 2005 - 5:09 AM

Well, dude, still your score is "0".

And who are you, the "comment-limiter" - must be a brand new job ...

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By tipsyboy

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 4:32 AM

Let's wait till the new Windows is launched to the market. Maybe they'll change it's name again - and again.

Anyway, we will get used to ANY name they use for it, just like we are used to "DOS", "3.1", "95", "98", "98SE", "2000", "XP", "MAC OS X", "LINUX", "RISC OS", "TOS", "OS/2", "POSIX" - go on with this list for yourself.

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By Blackhole8746

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 4:12 AM

Great, I'm so happy for Microsoft, Windows Vista is a cool name you know, and there are a lot of rumors about the minimum system requirements, some say you need GeForce 6 series to run Windows Vista... Strange... Anybody have any idea?

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By Kalphegor

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 4:45 AM

We will need a GeForce 7 to run it at the full potential, beacuse of the new 'Composited Desktop Hardware Engine' that come with GeForce 7.

See GeForce 7 specs: http://www.nvidia.com/page/specs_gf7800.html

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By tipsyboy

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 4:52 AM

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Composited Desktop Hardware Engine

* Video post-processing
* Real Time desktop compositing
* Accelerated antialiased text rendering
* Pixel shader driven special effects and animation
---------

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By tipsyboy

edited Jul 23, 2005 - 4:54 AM

So we'll "experience" not only "nice" and "trendy" pictures, but Micky Mouse will make his references and speak to us - ?

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By Kramy

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 4:06 AM

Wow....lots of comments. Ok, keeping in mind I never read what people said below, here's my take:

I'm going to wait and see if designing 'Chicken' from the ground up has paid off, and MS has a more lean and mean OS than XP(bloat).

It's not for nothing XD and XP are a smilies :P

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By tipsyboy

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 4:38 AM

Nice idea, indeed.

:->

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By Crypton

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 2:43 AM

ya, I like Longhorn better. Some of their codenames are better than the release names. I kinda liked Whistler as well lol. Well, maybe just me but anyways..

Vista, bleh, boring.

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By treworld

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 6:06 PM

"Vista, its everywhere you want to be."

I think that's what they're trying to accomplish; copying Visa's mottle.

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By tipsyboy

edited Jul 23, 2005 - 4:46 AM

Yeah - but remember this:

"Where do you wanna go today?"

So now it's:

"Everywhere you wanna be." -

So - with "vista" you`ll get your own personal paradise...

LOL :)

"Beam me up, Scotty!"

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By treworld

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 2:29 PM

I still don't understand their old slogan, "Where do you want to go today?"

What the hell does that have to do with your computer? I mean, I want to go to Six Flags, but I can't be surfing the net while riding a roller coaster!

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By DigitalSin

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 11:55 PM

I'm pretty excited about Vista. I hated the name at first, but it's growing on me.

What's with all these people comparing Linux to Vista? First of all, unless you're a special Microsoft monkey, you haven't tried Vista. So to compare it to anything before you see it shows the world just how pretentious and presumptuous you actually are. You'll grow out of it when you start shaving. I'm sure someone is going to say, "Well I tried Longhorn and blah blah blah". Why did you bother if your life is so great with Linux or Mac alone? Come on, give me a break.

Windows solves my problems and Windows is my bread and butter. It solves my clients' problems quite well. Linux nor Mac is capable of doing that for various reasons. I'm sure in other worlds Linux solves peoples' problems. That's fine and so be it, but stop comparing apples to oranges.

Microsoft is not going away no matter how many times you swapped out the S in their company name with a $ when you posted on a forum. Linux isn't going away because there are plenty of dateless wanna-be nerds out there to keep hacking at it.

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By jon1012

edited Jul 23, 2005 - 9:01 AM

Sorry dude, but I'm not a dateless wanna-be nerd :)
You know, I spend nights with girls (and surely more than a lot of people out there)... Sorry for you...

But maybe you compared badly, and transposed situations ? sorry for you then...

Now, seriously, I know it's not the subject of that article, but it's the one of your post, I'm a linux developer, a member of a distro team, etc... And I don't wanna a be a nerd, nor loose money. Linux is my bread and butter.

True, Windows have some addicts, but it can be replaced, without any problem, just see the advancing of a lot of technologies on he linux playground, like using a desktop shared among 5 computers for example, one sharing it's sound-card, one it's cpu, one it's display and input, etc... Or better, the thin-client system. Wanna continue ? simple programmign languages ? Who can beat the devel speed of a C or python coder under linux ? Not a windows-geeky .net-savvy guy it's sure.

Sorry for replying to a troll, but I had to. (also I didn't tell anything I wanted, because I didn't want to be too long for you to read ;))

Ciao,
Jon

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By shy_one

posted Jul 25, 2005 - 12:16 AM

Linux will never gain market share or atleast very little against windows for the main reason most people are not advanced users give a linux distro disk to an average user and tell them to install it and they can't unlike windows insert disk hit install register go to windows update to get all software and hardware updates and bang done.

Since you are a linux developer answer this why don't linux developers learn from microsoft in ease of installing and updating their OS just about any hardware setup windows is ready to go once you hit install and updates are just a click away.

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By DigitalSin

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 2:46 PM

While most of the things you wrote I disagree with in fundamental ways, there's one thing you wrote that I take more personally and see is blatantly incorrect :)

" Who can beat the devel speed of a C or python coder under linux ? Not a windows-geeky .net-savvy guy it's sure."

I can beat any of your C or python programmers out there when it comes to rapid development using C# and .NET. Be it a GUI or Web application. .NET was simply designed from the ground up to be rapid. Can you say the same for C? No way. Python? I think not. You just spend less time in .NET playing with trivial, cryptic things than you do in C or Python.

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By tipsyboy

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 4:18 AM

YUP - !

Couldn't be said in a better way.

thanx for this, dude!

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By dex23462

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 1:28 AM

Exactly what is the difference between a wanna-be nerd and an actual nerd?

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By DigitalSin

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 2:07 AM

If you have to ask then you just defined one of the two yourself

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By Panas333

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 9:09 PM

Wikipedia.org :

Vista= In the fiction of J. R. R. Tolkien, Vista is a part of the atmosphere that surrounds the world of Arda before the cataclysm at the end of the Second Age.

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By PenguinBoy

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 9:22 PM

Glad to hear they came up with a name, but really.. doesn't Vista remind you of some sort of retirement home in Florida?

Everytime I hear it I think of "Del Boca Vista". You know, the place where Jerry's parents live on Seinfeld.

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By maggrand

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 7:37 PM

Vista or Longhorn that don't matter. There are still no inovations in the product as far as you can see. Everything 'new' can you already get in the newest SUSE dist. And by the way it's more secure, more stable and costs less money.

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By tipsyboy

edited Jul 23, 2005 - 4:15 AM

Is that so?

Not to my experience with the last three SUSE dists, nor the last DEBIAN dist, nor FORGOT-THE-NAME dists.

In the last two months, I have tried out about six LINUX distributions. NOT ONE worked flawlessly.

My windows keeps going now for eight months without any problem.

THIS IS JUST EXPERIENCE - NOT OPINION - NOR RELIGION!

And - btw - 90 bucks for a "FREE" OS is 90 bucks too much. At least they should give up calling it "cheap", not to mention "free".

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By Matrix3000k

posted Sep 18, 2005 - 2:57 AM

there is differnce there. the free version will not come with all the packages that they charge for the 90 bucks version its like any software out there. for example trillian there is a trillian version and there is the trillian pro version that has more features which you have to pay for. yes linux is free but if you are looking for more features from what the free version comes with then you have to pay for those. like any other piece of software out there. so stop your winning and grow up.

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By zenarcher

edited Jul 24, 2005 - 9:46 AM

Whether Linux, Windows or any other O/S, unless a person is willing to take the time and effort to learn to configure it for their needs and purposes, it isn't going to work "flawlessly."

You give yourself up, when you say you tried six different distributions of Linux within two months, without success. In doing so, you are saying you allowed something just over one week to become proficient in learning, understanding and fine tuning an O/S. Are you going to tell me that you became proficient with Windows, MS Office, Photoshop or any other application in one week? The correct approach, if you do not like learning curves, is to stay with what you know. In your case, Windows. Sounds like the impatience of youth.

Here is an analogy: You buy an airplane and take off, planning to perform aerobatic stunts. The plane crashes, so you claim it didn't work flawlessly. Of course, you fail to mention that you didn't take time to learn to fly, before taking off in it.

Certainly most Linux distributions do offer a free version. If you choose to purchase a distribution in which someone has taken the time to compile a ton of extra applications for you, you will pay for that luxury. If you don't want to pay, you can always pick and choose the applications you want and add them, generally free of charge. Those "90 dollar" versions come with something around 1,500 or more additional applications, besides the O/S. What would MS charge to do the same with their O/S? Do you think they throw in MS Office for free? Yet, nearly any of those Linux distributions include Open Office, which will do virtually anything MS Office will do...and several things it won't do....for free. Likewise, for many other very nice and usable applications.

That's not a religion nor an opinion, either...just correcting some incomplete "facts."

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By Matrix3000k

posted Sep 18, 2005 - 3:02 AM

very very well said there zenarcher. i always read posts in here that microsoft is the best and linux sucks and vise versa. if you don't want to use linux cause your comfortable with windwos so be it. i just hate people talk about crap that they don't know about with out providing actual "facts" yeah windows is not perfert and neither is linux. either you want to take the time to learn a differnt os or just stick with what you learned and stay with that. most of the posts in here i usually think that these people are drop outs and don't have the education or facts about any os. by anyways great post and your righton target there. my hats off to you

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By surfbum4fun

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 8:59 PM

With Linux distro's like SuSe linux 9.3 and Fedora. Who cares what Miro$oft names their crappy versions. Windows is Windows.....

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By tipsyboy

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 4:13 AM

Yeah - and "with Linux distro's like SuSe linux 9.3 and Fedora" I wasted days of my life, only to find that something wouldn't work like it should.

SO STICK TO REAL EXPERIENCE AND STOP MAKING A RELIGION FROM OUR FREAKING OPERATION SYSTEMS.

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By DigitalSin

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 11:58 PM

Apparently millions of people pay attention to what Microsoft names their next system. Apparently no one gives a damn what the version of SuSe or Fedora is.

Go figure.

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By Crypton

edited Jul 23, 2005 - 3:12 AM

yup, I use windows on a couple machines and a few different flavors of Linux distros on other machines, and could care less what name the Linux distro is, being mandrake(known as Mandriva now) Fedora Core, SuSe, XandrOS ect. ect.. But Vista? 0o I find it a dull name even if it does have a bigger meaning.

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By GeneralLeoFF

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 8:45 PM

It does not matter what MS names the OS at this point. This project has been so widely publicized that the Longhorn name will just stick.

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By BklynKid

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 11:50 PM

Same way everyone thought 'Whistler' was gonna stick?

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By jbaltz69

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 9:08 PM

I concur. Let's hope that Vista is good for the MS stock holders sake...

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By ghostee

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 7:10 PM

So after a long day of work, MSFT's personal vista is coming home to organize photos and search for files? And notice the use of the word "trying".... sure makes it sound like they already KNOW it's not going to get any easier or simpler.

I think I'll stick with my Mac that organizes my data FOR me, and can find any file in a few seconds.

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By imafurby

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 7:00 PM

"Today, we live in a world of 'more'

Hell, why not call it "MORE" then?

Hopefully this philosphy won't translate into more useless applications and doo-dads that get in the way of someone actually trying to do something on their computer.

The words "clutter" and "organize" are troubling. Most of the freakin' clutter comes loaded with the o/s.

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By tipsyboy

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 6:13 PM

"At the end of the day, what you're after is a way to break through all the clutter to focus on what you want to focus on, what you need to do. What you're trying to get to is your own personal Vista --"

W O W - ! H E Y - ! H M M M - !

So this is a new religion, not only an operating system for an electric box, easily to be switched off by pulling the plug.....

"I believe in Linux." - "I believe in Windows." - "I believe in Mac."

And at the end of our lives, in the moment of our death, we will experience our "personal VISTA" - ?????????

LOL

Yeah - but what can we do - other than letting out our emotions, thoughts, hopes and egos....

We HAVE TO live with what there is in this world. So - okay, whatever the name is, they didn't ask us for our opinion.

I like some of your ideas, anyway, guys. Read the comments - up to here - with a smile in my face. Thanx for enlightening my day!

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By zenarcher

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 8:55 PM

Only KSzostek is entitled to opinions!

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By KSzostek

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 6:42 PM

WHY would they want your opinion. It's their product!

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By fewt

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 9:15 PM

No, it's the product of anyone that holds at least a single share of stock.

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By zenarcher

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 9:48 PM

Right On!!!

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By Qlib

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 5:48 PM

Microsoft Windows Vista Social Club.. the new name for MSN Messenger..

this has got to be the WORST and most STUPID sounding name a windows has had.. to date..

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By Ganove

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 5:32 PM

God...what a name - Vista - makes me think of Arnie´s famous "Hasta la vista, Baby" *g*
Well, it won´t make me buy that damn OS. At home I use Linux and at work things will change one day.
Maybe that new crap will be as stable as NT was, but one thing is sure: It won´t be slim and fast, it will be fat, slow, full of security flaws and a neve-eating mess until it does what it should. Have we ever experienced somtehing diffrent with Microsoft ? No, but we got used to it...

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By kholdstare

posted Jul 23, 2005 - 6:27 AM

no, Microsoft BOB was

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By stevetures

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 7:36 PM

Though I'll believe it when I see it (seriously, it seems hard to believe), they're're claiming that Vista will "launch applications 15 percent faster than Windows XP does", "boot PCs 50 percent faster than they boot currently and will allow PCs to resume from standby in two seconds" and other claims so we'll see how bloated it'll be.

see this article, could be vaporware buzz but maybe not.
http://www.microsoft-wat...2/0,2180,1838263,00.asp

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By dougdude

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 7:06 PM

It makes you think of "Hasta la vista" because you're not pronouncing vista right. You stress the i, not the v.

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By bigsexy022870

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 5:04 PM

Vista is such a gay name. Longhorn which was a stupid name was way better then Vista. And longhorn was basically adopted by everyone as the actual name cause it's been used for like 3 years.
Really now, what where they thinking with a name like Vista? It's God-awefull and everyone knows it. They could call it a name that really will match it. Like SlowBloatedCrap. It has a nice ring to it. I'm not a MS hater, just had to through that in cause it made me laugh.

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By jai

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 4:07 PM

Windows ain't bad if you KNOW how to configure stuff instead of just running it ouf of the box with a teletubbie setup... at the end of the day windows is compatible and if you know how to configure it I'd prefer it over linux.. and I ain't no linux hater :)

and btw lol at the chicken thing :D:D

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By compugeek32

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 8:13 PM

>>"...MICROSOFT FELT THE NEW VERSION OF WINDOWS 'DESERVED A NAME THAT WAS MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT IT SPECIFICALLY BRINGS TO CUSTOMERS"<<
...nah... Vista is more of a name that makes Microsoft feel like a chicken...
Even if they change the name to LONGHORN, I'd still go for Linux anyway...

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By ChrissirhC

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 4:40 PM

do they know it means chicken in lithuanian?

Introducing Microsoft Chicken
"representative of what it specifically brings to customers"

So it lays eggs?

fantastic, fantastically balls...

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By Dreimanis

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 5:27 PM

also chicken in latvian. you're not the only one.. aaahhhhh, you're not the only one..

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By PhoenixPath

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 3:11 PM

This is actually getting old now. I mean seriously, how many customers are they going to lose, eh? Latvia ain't no China, that's for sure.

If it's a big enough market for them, they'll change the name for *that* specific market.

A'ight?

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By alexrhcosta

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 3:03 PM

Keep b*tching, you crying babies...
You always complain about microsoft, but keep using it´s products!
Let Vista be on the streets and you all will be killing yourselves to get it!!
And as usual, will keep b*tching about it because you have to be MS haters!
Try MAC, try Linux... and COME BACK to MS!!!!

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By PhoenixPath

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 3:09 PM

Woah. Chill out, dude. Did you actually read any of the posts, or are you just trolling?

Not one person said the *hate* MS. Hell, one even said he was a big fan.

Read first, then post. And stop using words like *all* and *always*, because it never is. Trust me.

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By dougdude

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 7:10 PM

Actually, one was ranting about how they would keep using Linux, and that by naming it vista would not make them change to windows (their post was completely unnecessary).

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By PhoenixPath

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 2:50 PM

lmao...

Sorry, couldn't help thinking.. if Vista is designed to make it easier for you to focus on what you are doing, shouldn't it be named after the drug that does the same? (ThePC Ritalin for your ADHD Desktop.)

Windows "Ritalin"

I'm sold.

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By zenarcher

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 5:36 PM

Perfect name! I think you should contact Redmond!

And, I don't hate MS...I used everything from DOS 5.0 through XP....but I'll be staying with Linux. I don't run MS on any of my three computers.

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By KSzostek

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 6:45 PM

Your opinion does not count, you just like to bash. Keep using your Linux, you deserve it.

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By zenarcher

edited Jul 22, 2005 - 9:06 PM

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, Pal....and just what did I bash in that post, by the way? Maybe you better brush up on your English, as I don't see that I bashed anything.

If I weren't happy with Linux, I'd sure switch back to MS, as I have both XP Pro and Office 2003. I just don't find I need them.

I'm retired and have a small computer repair business, as a hobby. Most of my work is either removing spyware or viruses....or reinstalling Windows, due to the BSOD from corrupted files of one sort or another. As such, I'm fine with people using the O/S. That's not an opinion....that's not bashing...that's just how the records stand in my billing customers. I'm not complaining, in the least.

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By school1012

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 2:39 PM

Personally I am a BIG fan of MSFT. But this name is BAD. It does not standout or stick. I don't even see how this name can represent the product. XP ment experience it made sense. Longhorn would have been a better name.

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By alexweber15

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 3:04 PM

coudlnt agree more... longhorn is a much better name than VISTA... i think they should just switch back to years and call it Windows 2006/2007 if it gets delayed or something

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By zenarcher

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 8:59 PM

You have a good point. While it's not particularly flashy to use the year designation, it is easy to follow and more professional. It worked okay for 95 and 98.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 3:32 PM

They are sticking with that convention for the server OS.

My real question though is weather or not they're going to split the Vista between Home and Professional. Windows "Vista" in a corporate environment just doesn't have a decent ring to it.

Of course, I'm of the opinion they should have kept the Win2k classic desktop for the Pro environment of XP as well. Bubble-gum desktops are just *not* fit for a coporate environment. Easy enough to disable, I only hope it's that easy in "Vista" pro as well.

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By fewt

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 9:16 PM

I suspect they will come out with something along the lines of Windows Vista and Windows Professional to seperate the two.

Could be mistaken on that though.

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By zenarcher

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 8:03 PM

That's a good question. I don't think I've read anything saying whether there will be some sort of "Home" and "Pro" version, or not.

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By djk

posted Jul 22, 2005 - 2:30 PM

oh geez, I'll say this Microsoft comment is pretty dumb and the timing is dumb. Oh please, what's next. Microsoft telling us what we need and want. Give me a break.

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