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Microsoft Genuine Software Initiative Enters 2nd Year

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

March 30, 2007, 1:06 PM

Microsoft continues to press forward with its Genuine Software Initiative, saying it is seeing progress in combating pirate software. However, it also warns that the battle is far from over.

So far, some 600 million plus validations have been processed since Microsoft started Windows Genuine Advantage in July 2005. It says its outreach efforts with law enforcement and government officials are also paying off for the company.

For example, Brazil has created a government entity aimed at bringing together both public and private groups to protect intellectual property. In China, Microsoft was successful in getting companies to urge its businesses to use genuine software.

But it won't stop here, according to Microsoft anti-piracy director Cori Hartje. "This is a long-term project for us," she said. "It's important that customers get what they pay for, are fully licensed, and are experiencing the benefits of genuine software."

Microsoft's anti-piracy efforts are strengthened by its tougher measures in Vista and Longhorn Server, which all require activation within 30-days before the software is placed in "reduced functionality mode."

Hartje argued that this effort is helping Microsoft gain the upper hand on counterfeiters, pointing out that they could no longer use volume-licensed copies of the operating system to create pirated copies.

Some pirates haven't figured out how to break Vista, and she pointed to a recent trip to South America where a street vendor told them the software wouldn't work long before Microsoft would shut off the key.

"We've yet to see high-quality packaged counterfeit versions of our new operating system software," she claims. However she also admitted that the company needed to strengthen its efforts to bring genuine software to areas where it may be difficult to find it.

In order to track pirates down, Hartje says the company will continue its Genuine Advantage program, giving users incentives for not only purchasing genuine software, but also reporting those who continue to sell it.

"We will continue our efforts to raise awareness of the inherent risks of counterfeit software and help prevent counterfeiters and software pirates from taking advantage of our customers," Hartje added.

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By c4p0ne

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 11:26 AM

What a hilarious article. "the benefits of genuine software"... are what? Zero. "tougher measures in vista and longhorn server". Bullsh*t, the protection has already been fully and completely circumvented in under 6 months, and will continue to be circumvented indefinitely with every subsequent iteration of it. In fact, solutions to MS's Vista protection menace have been developed requiring no more than 3 or 4 clicks to complete, in other words a utility with a UI that your 6y/old kid could use to successfully activate Vista.

Piracy is the only way to keep companies like MS from literally owning us (as if they don't anyway). It's the "David" of the fighting ground. Don't even let me get started on the Music/Movie industry demons.

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By LeXTeRiTY_X

posted Apr 2, 2007 - 8:33 AM

Woohoo! I'm a genuine pirate alright...

Actually, scratch that. It's hard to find pirated software in GNU/Linux.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 2, 2007 - 9:37 AM

'salright. According the the BSA, you're still a pirate. :-p

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By mjm01010101

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 11:19 AM

I just got this popping up on a system as a member of a domain.

What a frikkin time waster. How many times must I validate something I KNOW is valid?

It really does punish the rest of us who just want to use our PAID for licenses.

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By foxfyre

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 7:02 PM

And wouldn't it be nice when you target that particular update to be "ignored", that it would actually do so?

But then MS would be setting a precedent if it actually did so, and some might expect the other aspects of their products to function properly as well.

And for MS, that would be a dangerous precedent and expectation to set indeed!

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By cousinkix1953

posted Apr 3, 2007 - 5:16 AM

They're hell bent on trying to install IE-7 and WMP-11 on my computer. I'll never use that $#!+, even if I have to switch to FireFox or a third party media player instead. I already have a customized WinAnmp on this machine...

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By christian_sese

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 11:15 AM

This is like the story of Windows ME, revisited lol Microsoft says "We have the most secure and best system ever made", but how can it be taken down with an animated cursor that was fixed in xp sp1?

all this stinks bad pr

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By utomo

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 2:44 AM

Ha ha ha.
Microsoft only able to sell in good quantity when they do the campain of original software with the police, after that the sales going down to earth.
Microsoft need to work harder to reduce the pirated.

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By kashin

edited Mar 31, 2007 - 2:47 PM

I have a better idea for combating piracy. How about selling your product at a price people can afford? I want the best OS, but I'm not going to spend $400 for Vista Ultimate. Especially considering the fact that we have 5 computers here. That would amount to $2000 for 5 licenses. I will never pay more than $100 for any piece of software.

I'm sure it cost Microsoft many hundreds of millions of dollars to develop all the fancy new DRM infections and trojan horse style anti-consumer devices built into Vista, but I'm not about to pay for it. Right now I'm happy with Windows XP and Vista doesn't offer anything that would warrant such a high price tag.

I know some people will say that Microsoft will stop supporting XP and eventually do everything they can to force people to upgrade to Vista. We'll just have to wait and see. I have no plans of upgrading from Windows XP for at least the next couple of years.

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By terminalx

posted Mar 31, 2007 - 4:09 PM

buy the oem copy then of vista ultimate its $200

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By Tenoq

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 9:22 PM

Good plan, but then you're stuck with either a 32-bit copy or a 64-bit copy, not both. Another $200 later if you want to upgrade to 64-bit when it's mainstream.

Oh, and don't overclock too much - you might need to re-activate too many times, and buy another license. :P

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 2, 2007 - 9:36 AM

1.) 64-bit won't be mainstream until Microsoft releases their next OS and drops support for 32-bit.

2.) A 5 minute call will get you reactivated.

I know, it's just so complicated. Keep trying, you'll be able to figure it out eventually.

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By wincement

posted Apr 2, 2007 - 7:27 PM

Call me an optimist, but I think the 64-bit version of Vista will take off as soon as vendors support it with their drivers/software.

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By stihlers

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 9:19 AM

I think that this would violate the Microsoft license agreement. OEM licenses usually have something along the lines of not to be sold individually or without a new system.

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By slinkys_delsol

posted Apr 2, 2007 - 9:17 AM

OEM products are for System Builders. Anyone can buy OEM software or Hardware with the understanding that OEM is not supported by in this case Microsoft.

So for those scratching your head. If you buy a HP computer and it comes Pre-Installed with Windows and it's OEM (Which is will be) then when you need support on Windows, you do not call Microsoft, you call HP.

You can call MS for support if needed, but since you have an OEM License, you have to PAY for support from them.

You can get OEM Software from most Online PC Retailers: http://www.newegg.com/St...1149&name=Microsoft

Homepage: http://mysite.verizon.net/slinkys_delsol/
BLOG: http://slinc.blogspot.com/

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By Paul Skinner

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 3:33 PM

Nope. It's perfectly legal (in the UK at least) to buy OEM if you buy it along with 1 piece of internal hardware (RAM, Processor, Hard Drive etc.).

So you sped $150 on Vista Ultimate and $20 on some s***e RAM.

Other than that you can get a slight discount when buying more than one copy of the retail one.

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By Second Shadow

posted Mar 31, 2007 - 12:27 PM

"Some pirates haven't figured out how to break Vista", key word there being SOME. Am I supposed to understand that it means that some OTHER pirates DID figure out how to braek Vista? ....

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By Tenoq

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 9:25 PM

You really don't know? There are numerous Vista activation hacks around now - some of them surprisingly simple - allowing easy pirate copies of the OS.

I think the MS PR here is just saying there are less 'quality' pirated packages available: meaning you can't buy a shrink-wrapped Vista with key quite as easily (if at all). Doesn't mean you can't work around the activation when you get your pirated copy home, however. :p

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By deminicus

posted Mar 31, 2007 - 7:56 AM

people will stop pirating windows when either the borg show up or when what os you have becomes as significant as what color car you have.

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By CarLox

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 8:09 PM

plus linux is hard to use for the average person you dumba**es "linux fans" pieces of s***s, so an advance user has the option to migrate to ANY operating system and it's not necessary linux, i dont hate linux, itz just that it doesnt have enough support plus you cant play your fav. games in linux, on the other hand, MAC OS X is great for editing things, on the other hand MAC and linux have the largest security holes but they arent critical as microsoft's SO DONT COMPARE A SOFTWARE JUST BECAUSE IT HAS LOTS AND LOTS OF VIRUSES YOU DUMB b****ES, REMEMBER THAT MICROSOFT HAS MORE THAN 80% OF THE WORLD MARKET YOU DUMB b****ES (THAT GOES TO THE HATERS OF MICROSOFT WINDOWS)

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By morriscox

posted Apr 2, 2007 - 1:08 PM

What do you think OS X is based on? It's not MacOS. Your statement is ironic.

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By Tenoq

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 9:29 PM

Got punctuation? How old are you, really?

1. Linux is startling simple to use in it's latest incarnations - when did you try it? For someone new to PCs, it wouldn't be any harder than learning Windows.
2. Most games work on Linux, either natively or through WINE.
3. Vulnerabilities != exploits. I don't know how many times I have to say this, and you actually said it yourself: MS IS insecure, because it DOES have all the viruses written for it. Regardless of the number of holes - it's the one with the bugs getting through the holes that has the problem. Thus, Windows is less secure than Linux and/or OS X.

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By CarLox

posted Apr 2, 2007 - 9:02 PM

im 18 and what? i bet i know more than you ashole

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By zenarcher

edited Apr 3, 2007 - 5:57 AM

That's the wonderful thing about being 18....you know everything. It's such a letdown when you hit 30 and realize how little you know then. Of course, with each passing decade, you then realize you know even less. You've lost "knowing everything" but gained "wisdom."

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By zenarcher

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 10:18 AM

You sound like an employee of Microsoft. Do you work on software security for them??:)

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By Rythan

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 9:59 PM

Somebody does not know how to control themselves. Careful, lest you give yourself a heart attack. It's an OS, not life and death ... :)

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By robmanic44

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 7:49 PM

If Microsoft keeps putting out OSs like Vista they won't need to worry about piracy. Who would want to steal it?
As to Linux taking over the world, I've heard that crap for about 10 years. Where in the hell is your standard? Just look at the attitude displayed in some of these post. It's enough to make a goat puke. I should add that I am running on Mandriva now. I have Kubuntu on another system and Xandros on another. I don't hate Linux, but some of its' supporters are visiting the outer planets.

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By ladylust

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 7:28 PM

Actually thats incorrect. Vista is amazing - Linux OS is great for running servers but any GUI with Linux SUCKS - hardly any driver support. Trust me in 1 years time, all you will see is Vista - Microsoft is positioned to completely dominate the OS market as long as computers are made. Mom and Pop buyers will never EVER choose Linux over MS. Its complete end game.

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By Tenoq

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 9:31 PM

I agree with zenarcher - your comment seems unfounded. What drivers could you not find? You're sounding a bit fanboy-ish: "Vista is amazing"? C'mon, it's just a GUI upgrade over XP, and completely pointless for most people at this stage.

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By zenarcher

posted Apr 2, 2007 - 6:37 AM

You are correct. The "you can't find drivers with Linux," is a dead giveaway that the individual is merely repeating something they heard, or hasn't tried a good Linux distro in the past few years.

Never, with Linux, have I had to install outdated drivers supplied with hardware, or chase all over a dozen different manufacturers websites tracking down the latest driver. That's normal procedure with Windows.

I had a customer, very computer illiterate user, make that point the other day. She bought a brand new laptop with Vista pre-installed. Took it home and could not find drivers for her new printer and much of her expensive software wouldn't work. She brought the laptop to me and wanted XP installed.

I'm retired, but do a bit of computer building and repair from home....mainly those "Mom and Pop" users. Personally, I run five systems here...four with Linux (SUSE/Fedora Core) and one Windows XP system. Many are curious, as they have not seen a KDE desktop running Beryl with the nice 3D effects. I'll let them play a bit with it, show them some of the common Linux applications...and on average, three out of five will ask me if I would install Linux for them. Granted, that's not a scientific statistical study, it's just what I've experienced, when a person has a chance to actually sit down and give Linux a try on a working system. Oh yeah...and one of my systems is a new HP laptop and everything worked right out of the box when I installed SUSE 10.2....no driver problems at all.

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By RPDP

posted Apr 2, 2007 - 1:51 PM

Yes you are absolutely right. The XGL/Beryl is simply fantastic.Watch this youtube video demo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DUSn-jBA3CE

I havent tried Vista, but I think even Vista can't do many of these things.
Most ppl feel that windows is easy to use bcoz:
1. People who started using windows previously and have a fear of changing into a new environment.
2. People are too lazy to learn linux, which was hard to learn for a non-technical guy in the past, but not now. It is as easy as windows.

I am not an MS basher and I like Windows as much as I like Linux, but the hefty prices of Vista and more troublesome validation processes is where Linux takes an advantage over MS.

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By zenarcher

posted Apr 2, 2007 - 5:48 PM

Maybe it will help, now that KDE Desktop is in the process of being ported for Windows, as well. That may add some familiarity.

Often, I think, Linux offers too many options for the average Windows user, who is used to being forced to do things only one way. Suddenly, they have choices and don't know what to do.

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By zenarcher

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 10:24 AM

I'm just curious as to what specific drivers you need aren't supported in Linux. I run four modern systems here, besides having set up Linux for many other people and I've not had one single driver issue. About the only driver issue I've encountered were with wireless, due to licensing, but even those are not difficult to resolve.

Please offer specifics for the drivers you need and cannot get with Linux.

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By AntiochMedia

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 6:09 PM

I do like the idea of piracy of Windows Vista being more difficult as it weeds out those who sell illegitimate copies. I also like it because I see MS's strong-arming of their software boosting the demand for free alternatives in the public sector. It will create a stronger demand for Desktop Linux being fully viable as a Windows Alternative.... and speaking of which... I haven't heard too much from the Linspire people on BetaNews.com in a while.... wonder what they are up to...

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By dzjepp

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 5:54 PM

Looks like they have a long battle ahead of them indeed, seeing as Vista is pretty much in fully crackable form

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By Babylon2x

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 4:42 PM

So much hostility over an OS.

Microsoft Windows has a huge array of drivers out there, probably more than any other OSes. And compared with other OSes, there's nothing quite as simple for people new to computers or the less technically able.

Do people new to computers want to compile drivers, or fiddle about in configuration files when they change their setup? Probably not. Do they want to be able to use their existing hardware? Probably. Mac OS X limits you to Apple's hardware, while unofficial hardware can be used, it is often with fiddling. A time soak, right?

Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows all have their own benefits. Ultimately, I don't believe Linux will win the 'battle' unless it introduces a lot more simplicity in things it currently lacks. Many of us here may have a great interest in computers, but that doesn't mean everyone does.

People like their cars, not everyone can maintain one and wants to fiddle around in the mechanics. Similar thing.

Incidentally, over 10 years of running a Windows OS, I've had some problems, yes. There's been frustrations I've had with other OSes as well, though. Better just to leave people with what they're happy with. I'm running Linux, FreeBSD, and Windows here, on different boxes.

No complaints from my side. If people want to argue over whatever will be the future, go ahead. Back in the late 80s, and 90s, people probably thought it might have ended up being the Amiga which would be a major player. Funny how things change, and in such a short time. Who knows what can be just around the corner?

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By tigreseis

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 4:39 PM

Obviously you haven't used some of the newer distributions, so let's make it simple.

Many Linux distributions work perfectly right out of the box. Is that simple enough? I could probably use fewer words if that will help its' clarity

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 5:58 PM

lmao..

Try installing it on a laptop with a wireless adapter.

Now try finding drivers for that adapter without using the Windows driver with the lame ndiswrapper.

Dude, you're outclassed here. You stumbled into folks who actually *use* linux. Go troll it elsewhere.

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By tigreseis

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 9:34 PM

It is installed on my laptop using wireless right now. No problems right out of the box, Dude.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 31, 2007 - 12:46 AM

So we've got 2. Anyone else?

Take a look at the ubuntu forums, or the SUSE forums...or any number of LinuxOS forums.

You lucked out.

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By Tenoq

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 9:33 PM

Works for me too, IBM laptop.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 2, 2007 - 2:17 PM

I should have known better than to pose such a question on a tech site... :p

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By fewt

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 3:31 AM

I have three.

One uses ipw3945 (Intel), worked out of the box.
The second uses Atheros (Dlink), worked out of the box.
The third is the beast, it uses ndiswrapper (broadcom Airforce one). Didn't work out of the box, but it wasn't too much of a challenge (though was when I installed it initially on 64-bit Linux)

Two out of three isn't too bad. I have issues with a new DLink on Windows. Sometimes it just doesn't see the AP even though it's less than 10 feet away. The computers around it work just fine though.

Wifi sucks in general that way, it's not just Linux or Windows for that matter.

I blame broadcom.

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By zenarcher

posted Apr 2, 2007 - 8:44 AM

Works just fine on my HP laptop, right out of the box, as well. I did install the ATI video driver, which is no big deal. I wouldn't have done that, except I wanted accelerated video.

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By stihlers

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 10:57 PM

Same here. Wireless laptop working right out of the box.

I also don't think Windows will run a wireless card right after installation without having to install the manufacturers drivers from the CD first.

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By fewt

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 3:35 AM

In some cases you have to also apply the WPA patch.

Even if you have SP2.. I had to do it to enable WPA on a Windows SP2 computer the other day. It has something to do with the driver. So, again WIFI sucks on multiple platforms, not just Linux.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=815485

http://www.microsoft.com...displaylang=en#Overview

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By Babylon2x

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 4:54 PM

'Many Linux distributions', is more likely to be 'some'. Yep, I have. Some do work out the box, not always. I suspect there's plenty of hardware out there to trip things up.

But further, Linux doesn't even have many industry standard applications for it yet. Take what Adobe sells: Photoshop, After Effects, and similar. They are considered a standard in the industry, we see no move toward them being released on Linux.

Maybe industry standards will change. Maybe not. For now, it's a big gaping hole in things. I expect some kind of emulation arguments, but please, that's more hassle. I know people will push an OS to the death.

Personally? Better just to use that which fits your needs. I love Linux for a server and would use it over Windows any day. But some of the posted reasons are why I'd never use it for a Desktop, at this moment in time.

It might change, if so, great.

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By vcorvinus

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 2:55 PM

The battle will be over when everyone has switched to Linux.

Then Microsoft will have to release a live CD of Windows just to get people to try it.

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By foxfyre

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 2:59 PM

If only...

Yeah, the platform 'without' a desktop and with even fewer applications, that you would give to your mother.

Stick to mid level servers where it belongs.

And after almost 15 years the biggest accomplishment has been to try to copy the Windows interface. Now THATS innovation!

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By tigreseis

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 3:19 PM

What a moron. Do you actually research this or do you come up with your own crap?

There is more open source software than Windows software and who copied who? I believe Apple had the GUI first.

Now if you'll just pause for a minute, that one brain cell you have floating around might connect.

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By id242

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 3:37 PM

Although the first home computer with a GUI or graphical user interface was the Apple Lisa, the very first graphical user interface was developed by the Xerox Corporation at their Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) in the 1970s.

Steve Jobs, visited PARC in 1979 (after buying Xerox stock) and was impressed and influenced by the Xerox Alto, the first computer ever with a graphical user interface.

Jobs designed the new Apple Lisa based on the technology he saw at Xerox.

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By foxfyre

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 3:52 PM

The Xerox PARC GUI NEVER made it out of the lab!

Apple was the first to implement it in a commercially available product!

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By fewt

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 11:04 AM

Neither did Xerox Parcs mouse, but you see those used every day too.

They were an R&D shop. They licensed the GUI just like they licensed the mouse.

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By Peregrine1970

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 5:26 PM

So it's ok to innovate(copy) someone else's ideas as long as you market it first. Ok

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By Tenoq

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 9:35 PM

MS designed a multi-billion dollar company around that philosophy - so yeah, I guess it is ok.

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By tigreseis

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 3:47 PM

You are correct, but Apple had the first one accepted by the masses.

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By Peregrine1970

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 5:26 PM

So it's ok to innovate(copy) someone else's ideas as long as you market it first. Ok

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By foxfyre

posted Mar 31, 2007 - 10:16 AM

They licensed its use dimwit. And yes, that's OK!

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By foxfyre

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 3:31 PM

Apple had the GUI first? Really????

And then MS copied the GUI...and Linux has fallen over itself to look like Windows ever since! A copy of a poor copy! Now THAT'S Innovation!

You sound like another 20 year old who has recently discovered Linux.

Now give it to your mother and let's see her get it running and configured. And then see how many applications she can find? On her own!

Yeah, Linux is taking over the desktop...
Hell, its been FREE for 15 years and still hasn't made a dent in the desktop market!

Go back to sleep.

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By Blackhole8746

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 4:04 PM

Linux
--
Dell sells most of its servers preloaded with Linux. It will start selling personal computers preloaded with Linux too, in order to give open source software a boost. Most D-link routers are Linux based, some cell phones use Linux based programming. That is what I call a serious dent. It's obvious Linux doesn't interfere with personal operating system sales, but it absolutely interferes with larger-scale matters like the ones mentioned above.

Mac OS X
--
Now Apple obviously had the GUI before Microsoft and it's quite clear that Vista's GUI is a total ripoff let alone its features.
Gadgets > Widgets
Search (Start Menu) > Apple Spotlight
Thumbnail and picture features > iPhoto
Windows Aero > Apple's Aqua
The list goes on

Windows
--
As read on this website, a simple animated mouse cursor exploit can cause Vista to give up the last breath. That's quite embarrassing. The only reason Windows is so popular, I believe, is because it's an open ground for piracy and for people to get free goodies. Cracks, patches and all that are mostly made for Windows programs.

Finally, I think Mac OS X is for the business oriented person that has no time for flaws and for silly exploits, Linux for the developer who likes being in a world of his own. Normal users might see Linux as a "mess of programming code" while programmers see it as a crystal clear utopia. And Windows, well, it's mostly for people who don't mind experiencing constant problems that come and go with no obvious cause. An operating system with a core code dating back from Windows 95 (which was good). Windows generates this feeling that everything might or might not work. Its unstable nature annoys even the most aware computer users.

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By tigreseis

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 3:38 PM

Your idiocy has no bounds. Are you medicated or does this come naturally?

Do you actually know any computing history or is your head so far up Gates rear end it's hard to breath?

Apple developed the first GUI(one that was mass accepted). Have you ever used Linux or has fear left you as merely a software bully, don't really know what you are talking about, but acting like you do.

Many linux distro's work great right out of the box, but you wouldn't know that because fear and the darkness of Gates' anal aperture keep you in the dark.

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By id242

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 3:39 PM

FYI; Xerox Corporation developed the first GUI, not Apple.

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By foxfyre

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 3:47 PM

Xerox PARC developed the concept - they did NOT create an actual production GUI.

But I am glad you can read...barely.

And now we know why a GUI was necessary.

And mr wizard, I live in a real UNIX called AIX, not your wannabe toy that doesn't scale well, and that 'fixed' the UNIX directory structure so that nobody knows where anything is as they copied the Windows interface.

I am so scared! And you think I am a Windows fan? You ARE a fool! But someone must have slipped and allowed you access to the Internet in your high school library.

Besides, if you want a consumer oriented UNIX with REAL applications, OSX blows Linux away.

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By id242

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 3:46 PM

I don't care to get into a fanboy argument with you over semantics.

Also, everyone can see when you edit your post to change your story just as you notice you've been wrong.

BTW, both of my replies came verbatim (cut/paste) from:
http://inventors.about.c...s/a/Apple_Computers.htm

I do not make this stuff up.

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By foxfyre

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 3:50 PM

Change my story? You my friend are a liar!

Xerox PARC developed the GUI concept. But Xerox was NOT the first to employ the GUI - that means they did not implement it in a commercial product!!!!

Apple was the first to do that!
Apple was the first commercially available GUI that anyone could buy.

Am I going too fast genius?
And it is amazing that you HAVE to look any of this up on the net or in a book! ROFLMAO!

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By foxfyre

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 4:00 PM

The Alto was a concept machine. It was not available commercially! Nor was it intended to be!

And if you can manage, try reading this if you are so dependent on looking the info up: http://www.sitepoint.com...icle/real-history-gui/5

Now go back to your Wikipedia and read some more!

D@mn its fun that so many high school kids are on this site!

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By tigreseis

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 3:59 PM

I graduated high school in 1985.

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By foxfyre

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 4:02 PM

Hahaha!

Yup, you were around for it all!

And still having to look the history of computing up!

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By id242

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 4:11 PM

That was ME who performed the quick Google search. I personally don't feel it's worth my time to arguing over the Internet.

Besides, why write again what someone else has already written before - ie; the cut/paste of text and the link which I referenced.

I haven't said much, all I've done is referenced/linked to what someone else had written.

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By tigreseis

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 4:03 PM

I think you are talking to id242. I haven't looked anything up.

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By foxfyre

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 4:19 PM

I am referring to all of you - as appropriate!
Sorry it is so komplekated to figure out what you wrote and what part refers to that.

What is amazing is that this topic is even up for debate as it is so old hat and should be common knowledge for such erudite IT folks.

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By tigreseis

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 4:37 PM

Erudite! I had no idea you knew such lofty terms. It is amazing how one uses linguistic terminology to make them appear to be smarter than they actually are. Unfortunately, an IQ under 90 is still considered MI (That's mildly intellectually disabled).

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By foxfyre

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 4:44 PM

Spoken just like a Linux nut who thinks it is overtaking MS on the desktop.

Rant on. Perhaps with a little more effort you will succeed in convincing yourself.

Rather amazing that a free product cannot overtake a ridiculously overpriced one.

But then you fail to give yourself enough credit! You have "no idea" about So many things!

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By fewt

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 11:07 AM

WTF, why is it so important that you downplay Linux on the desktop.

Who really cares if it takes off or not?

In 5 years, you'll see desktops become so virtual that you'll have multiple OSs running at the same time.

hint: I and many on my teams do that today.

Thx.

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By tigreseis

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 4:49 PM

Oh, that was a good comeback. I use Windows primarily.

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By foxfyre

posted Mar 31, 2007 - 10:17 AM

Sorry, you are even dumber than I first gave you credit.

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By foxfyre

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 1:25 PM

"Microsoft's anti-piracy efforts are strengthened by its tougher measures in Vista and Longhorn Server, which all require activation within 30-days before the software is placed in "reduced functionality mode.""

Sure, if don't set the SkipReArm
http://technet2.microsof...45172b1033.mspx?pf=true

The one-line command of "slmgr -rearm" changes the activation deadline to 30 after the current date.

Microsoft confirmed the feature and that the command can be run up to three times from the release media from Microsoft, enabling a total of 120 days total time available as a grace period.

But by changing the SkipRearm key's value from the default "0" to "1, the earlier-revealed "slmgr -rearm" command can be used over and over.

Pretty neat, huh?

And this is simply an undocumented MS feature!

They sure are sly!

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 2:16 PM

...and again you seem to be under the impression they are going after the idiots who download this from P2P or the Usenet.

As long as you remain under that misconception, of course it's pointless.

They're not doing WGA, activation, or any of that to mess with Joe P2P. This is aimed squarely at the folks who are mass-producing copies and selling them to "unwitting" consumers in the hopes that they can then crack down on these folks.

They don't care about Joe P2P.

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By foxfyre

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 2:56 PM

Wrong!

I merely pointed out that their activation schema is , let's say, a bit lacking, as they worry about who has legitimate copies!

And the only way they catch the folks is when they try to ACTIVATE the software, not when they produce it!

So the only ones they 'catch' are the end users who are not smart enough to get around the activation!

And the folks who have produced and sold the illegal product have the money and are long gone.

Yep, the 'producers' are quaking in their shoes.

Well, the ones who are not traumatized by the phrase "Don't copy that floppy"...

Besides, they want the users to "experience the benefits of genuine software." They wouldn't want them to miss out on the latest exploit...like an animated cursor.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 3:02 PM

Can you think two seconds beyond now?

And the only way they catch the folks is when they try to ACTIVATE the software, not when they produce it!

So the only ones they 'catch' are the end users who are not smart enough to get around the activation!


Don't you think...that once a unwitting user gets that message, they might actually

...

wait for it

...

wait for it

..

follow the friggin' instructions and call the number? Do you not think that then, when asked, they might tell that person on the other end where they got it from?

It's not really that much of a stretch. I'm sure you can work yourself up to it given enough time and effort.

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By foxfyre

edited Mar 30, 2007 - 3:11 PM

Yup, I got it from Bob.

Organized crime is done for now!
Why hasn't law enforcement thought of such a novel and creative scheme???

We'll ask them who did it?

Well, now the news is going to be really boring! No more crime. Just Windows bugs. And no one to exploit them.

Swooft....

Any more novel ideas?

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 30, 2007 - 5:22 PM

*shakes head*

Read carefully:

This isn't about Bob. This isn't about Joe who got it from Jim, who got it from Larry. This is about Ms. Smith who got her computer from Grungy Computer Shop and found out her license wasn't valid.

She calls MS, MS finds out the name of Grungy Computer Shop, contacts the owner and threatens lawsuit. Owner gives up name of Mr. Mass Producer and they take him down.

See? It's not even about Ms. Smith.

That's your free clue, the next one will cost ya. :p

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By foxfyre

posted Mar 31, 2007 - 10:23 AM

Hahaha!

Yup, the entire house of cards of illegal software is shaken to its foundations.

Especially as you can install your copy of Windows, run it without the need to authorize it for a year, and then reinstall it and run it for a second year, etc.

But I guess those doing that are too stupid to put their additional resources on another disk or partition as well...

Such a complex scheme. Even a Windows user can figure it out. ;-)

The bottomline is, its incredibly easy to circumvent!

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 31, 2007 - 8:00 PM

Okay, now you're just being stupid.

You keep bringing up the fact that they can get around it.

Good for them!!! We're not talking about them!!!

We're talking about the users that didn't know it was pirated to begin with and the companies profiting off of that.

Christ, man....ya gotta learn to pay attention.

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By terminalx

posted Mar 31, 2007 - 4:34 PM

You missed his point, not surprising, really. There are many people out there that sell pcs with illegal copies of the OS.

So, this helps the user who is buying it to know whether they have a legal copy or not.

Just because something is easily circumvented doesn't mean everyone is going to try.

Audio software is constantly being stolen for the home musicians and some of them make it more difficult to circumvent it such as Reason but people still do it.

Does everyone do it?

No, because otherwise these companies would be out of business.

The main goal of wga is to protect the consumer and find out who is making a profit off of someone elses product. Microsoft knows it cannot stop everyone from pirating its software but it brings it down considerable and contrary to popular belief there are still honest people out there.

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By foxfyre

edited Mar 31, 2007 - 8:38 PM

The amazing thing is that the majority of the places where commercial pirating of the OS occurs is not in the US!

And in those places, the end users are just as interested in getting a cheaper version as well. There the focus is on getting it to work. And that is possible.

Even if the software is pirated, you can get it to work and circumvent the entire process.

So, in the entire scheme of things, catching vendors who are pirating the software instead of making money from it by selling legitimate copies are very small fry.

And with the rampant anti-MS attitude expressed by many here, and including those who actually like Windows but would love to find a cheap alternative to paying the price for a registered copy if they can get it to work, I hope you catch your 1%.

The FACT is that this is 'small potatoes' in the illegal software realm.

And it depends on folks who are simply asking for problems to download the Windows Genuine Advantage update voluntarily to see if they can break their computer. But hey, if they are stupid enough to prefer Windows, I guess it only follows that they would check this as well at the risk of 'breaking' their confuser.

And to quote from the last person: "The main goal of wga is to protect the consumer". ABSOLUTE NONSENSE! It is intended to protect MS's interests. And that remains a fact whether you think this entire campaign is of a substantial magnitude of the pirate market, or if it is infinitesimally small.

But I hope that you feel safer for it. Oh, and 'Sleep tight and don't let the bed(dy) bugs bite!'

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By hollovoid7

posted Apr 1, 2007 - 4:48 AM

They Say protecting the consumer because, #1 on the consumers mind is value, and when something is pirated so much it is matching sales of the product, the raise in price needed for profitability hurts the legal consumer. And no matter how much of a pain in the a** it is, they do have the legal right to protect their way of life. which is, selling software, hardware and web solutions. hate microsoft all you want, but any company losing as much as they do (based on volume) would do the same.

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By foxfyre

edited Apr 1, 2007 - 7:00 PM

Value. You must believe the ads.
It is illegal for MS to sell software below cost in bids (its called "dumping"), and yet when they bid on making their products standardized in Thailand, they quoted the price of MSOfficePro at $15.

Read that?: $15

Now There is the REAL value for you!

Feel better NOW?????

Does that make you feel better when you shell out the full $300+? Feel vindicated and justified?

If you are so worried about value, maybe you should show a bit more concern over the REAL value you are receiving for your $300+ when you buy the legitimate version and remember that MS quoted the actual cost as being below $15!!!

Yeah, the CONSUMERS are protected! My @ss!

It is MS's cash cow money machine that is being covered! And that is ALL. And, before you start jumping up and down again, they have every right to do so, even if I think the product is overpriced bloatware, 1/3 of which is poorly implemented crap that no one can make function properly (much of which does NOT work properly due to fatal bugs) EVEN if you can figure out where it is!

And the same is true of Vista. It is a product designed to make a profit. Hopefully it is better than the previous release. Hopefully. But the reality is that there is nothing that requires it to be except that of the market's response.

But whatever you think, don't try to pull the "protecting the consumer's value" nonsense. MS is a business and their goal is not some altruistic vision, their bottom line mission, just like with all businesses, is to make money for their stockholders. And there is nothing wrong with that.

But just remember that when you mistakenly think their obligation and purpose is to 'protect the consumer'. Don't confuse your emotion and wishful thinking with reality.

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By armirev

edited Mar 31, 2007 - 5:15 PM

"Some pirates haven't figured out how to break Vista" Oh you are 100% correct! google it and you have the answer

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