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Microsoft Owns Up to Xbox 360 Quality Issues

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

July 5, 2007, 6:02 PM

Microsoft admitted that failure rates for Xbox 360 consoles were an issue, saying it would extend the warranty period for any consumer that had experienced a general hardware failure.

Known by users as the "three red lights of death," as many as 3 out of every 10 consoles were experiencing some type of problem, according to sources. In turn, Microsoft said it would take full responsibility for the issues.

To repair their console, anyone who had experienced the issue would have their warranty extended to three years from the date of purchase, and any who had paid for out-of-warranty repairs for general hardware failures would be reimbursed. Shipping costs would be included in the repairs.

In total, the effort will set Microsoft back $1.05 to $1.15 billion in the second calendar quarter. The charge would be deducted from that quarter's earnings.

"This problem has caused frustration for some of our customers and for that, we sincerely apologize," Microsoft's entertainment chief Robbie Bach said. "We value our community tremendously and look at this as an investment in our customer base."

Analysts applauded the move, saying it was necessary in order to stave off future negative press regarding the subject, and smart for the company's image overall.

"That's a good move for them and it's an important step to take. It's nice to see a company owning up to issues and taking responsibility for them although at this cost it's certainly painful, even for Microsoft," JupiterResearch analyst Michael Gartenberg said.

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By ciuppap

edited Jan 26, 2008 - 9:27 PM

I purchased an xbox 360 had it for 8 months and the system would freeze on start-up and got the red rings ...sent it back for service. Two weeks later I received it back and it worked fine for 4 months and now it freezes up again. I was told I would have a 3 year warrant but when I called for repair they told me I had to pay $90.00 for the repair because I don't have the red lights. What's up with that?? It still freezes up. Still does the same thing as far as I am concerned. It might not show a red light but it might as well...it freezes up! I am not paying $90.00 for service. I payed $399.00 for the xbox 360 and have not had a year of trouble free play.
I can't believe Microsoft will not make good on this...
Please advise:
Paul D. Ciuppa
ciuppap@optonline.net

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By Steve Austin

edited Jul 9, 2007 - 8:34 AM

OK, enough of the BS. Microsoft are NOT offering a General 3 Year warranty on the 360, depsite what some of the idiots here think.

Read the official press release:

"Any Xbox 360 customer who experiences a general hardware failure indicated by three flashing red lights will now be covered by a three year warranty from date of purchase. All other existing Xbox 360 warranty policies remain in place."

http://investing.reuters...-2007+PRN&type=qcna

The 3 Year warranty ONLY covers Red Ring Of Death scenarios. It does not cover disc scratching, dead Xboxes, graphical glitches, or any other failures. ONLY Red Ring Of Death.

All other failures are the usual 90 day warranty in the US, and 1Yr in Europe.

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By mshulman

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 1:38 PM

And you say this as if its a bad thing? They are addressing the problem at hand.

1 year for everything. 3 years for general hardware failures.

It seems the general hardware failure is the one issue that comes up more than any others, so they are addressing that issue.

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Jul 9, 2007 - 1:54 PM

Are they REALLY addressing the issues? Many reports of multiple failed units that have been repaired, means that the patches they are doing to the consoles are simply not effective. Glueing a CPU and cranking up the fan speed is not addressing the issue.

65nm CPU MAY address the issue, that is yet to be determined. Either way, the 1.15 billion dollar budget will swell quickly, if they plan on replacing 90nm units with 65nm units.

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By SGD

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 2:37 PM

I'm glad to hear from someone inside MS that knows what is really going on. Troll on, troll on.

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By Metfanant

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 9:41 PM

I still can't believe you guys....yes a 3 year warranty is nice, and its a great gesture by MS...but still the fact remains...this was ONLY done because of how HORRID the hardware in the console is....if they did not do this they would be SLAMMED with lawsuit after lawsuit...they are not standing by their product...they are doing damage control...

and Hollywood are you blind or just that dumb to keep calling the PS3 warranty 90 days?...because it is still a 1 year warranty...

The 60GB PS3 is getting its $100 price cut TOMORROW....and the 80GB sku will replace it at the $600 price level in August and will come with a bundled copy of Motorstorm...not a bad deal if you ask me...this puts the 60GB model in line just about with the 360 Elite and for $100 more you can get the extra 20GB of HD space and a $60 game...not too shabby...

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By pitdingo

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 9:48 PM

$600 is a lot of money for a video game console. Microsoft and Sony are too expensive to win this generation.

Especially when you spend $500 on a 360 and it frys and have to send it in to get fixed. Well, it is only 30% of them that are frying, so 70% are working, maybe you will get lucky.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 8:23 AM

Currently working..

How many will be fried a year from now? 50/50 perhaps?

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By SGD

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 10:51 AM

And then again maybe none.

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By Steve Austin

edited Jul 9, 2007 - 11:44 AM

Historic data says this won't be the case. You have to be a total idiot to think that because 2.5 million have already failed, the fatality rate will be zero for the next 12 months..

This is perhaps the dumbest thing you have ever claimed.

If sales of the 360 continue as they are, and Microsoft continue to fail to address the root cause of the failures (which we know is true, as repaired units regularly still go wrong), in 18months 2.5 million have failed, then you can surely add another 1.5 million to that mortatily rate.

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By SGD

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 2:45 PM

Funny how you never seem to mention Sony's quality problems in the past. God forbid you bring that up. How many millions of PS2's have failed, how many laptop batteries failed, and so on. You make me sick with all the hate you have. You should really consider getting some professional help. You truely are blind to reality. The bottom line is the problem is being fixed at least they are attempting to do something about it. $ony had to be sued in court to get them to do something, deny if you will it is reality.

Like I said before my 360 is actually in repair as I type this but I am confident in them as a company to fix the problem. I have a long list of pre-ordered games for the 360 and none on the PS3 that tells me something about the PS3. Its all about the games. And for the most part I could care less about blu-ray it is not needed in a console, SDVD is fine for games.

Why do you fail to admit that Sony has also had its share of issues?

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By siryak

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 12:55 PM

2.5 million have failed huh. Says the EB games employee lmao. Your claims are laughable at best. Like I have said before. You nor I know how many have failed. You are just posting numbers that 2 stores out of millions pulled out of their ass. It's like interviewing 2 people and passing their opinion as the opinion of everybody else.

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By pitdingo

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 9:16 PM

Micro$oft...defects...who would have thought it. Does it really matter though? The Wii continues to dominate the XBox 360.

How long until Micro$oft throws in the towel just like the last generation and admits defeat?

I bet we will start hearing about the XBox 720 by the end of the year if Nintendo keeps selling Wii's like they are.

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By siryak

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 9:25 PM

MS didn't throw in the towel last generation genius. The 360 is dominating the POS3 and the Wii is dominating both of them. The 360s sales are still excellent. Wii sales are just better than excellent. With their low price range they have hit the average consumer early in the game. The POS3 is a looong ways away from being anywhere near average consumer range.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 8:24 AM

"MS didn't throw in the towel last generation genius."

That's why the original Xbox was discontinued after 2.5 years??? The PS2 is still going strong 7 years later..

Go figure. I expect the same to happen this time around, expect Microsoft to scrap the 360 is about 12 months, and start work on something to replace it. The PS3 will be around for another 6 years..

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By siryak

edited Jul 9, 2007 - 9:32 AM

They discontinued it because they came out with the 360. Plus that was just their entry into the market.

"Go figure. I expect the same to happen this time around, expect Microsoft to scrap the 360 is about 12 months, and start work on something to replace it."

Are you retarded? The 360 is selling 2x the PS3. Guess that means they are going to discontinue the PS3 in 6 months?

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By Steve Austin

edited Jul 9, 2007 - 11:50 AM

You miss the crucial point. The PS2 is still be produced IN PARALLEL with the PS3, it's still selling well, it's design is being improved, great software is still being released (God Of War II for example).

Microsoft dumped the original Xbox as soon as the 360 came along, they will dump the 360 as soon as they have something to properly compete with the PS3.

I give the 360 another 12 months, before Microsoft dump on their owners again.

Sony have history to show that PS1 and PS2 continue to be supported and improved, with software released well into ther subsiquent generations lifecycle. Microsoft don't.

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By SGD

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 2:49 PM

You $ony fanboys should thank God that they are still making the PS2 or they would be in casket by now. You have to admit but you never will that when your old product is outselling your new one there is a problem. But like I said you won't admit that. Your posts get dumber and dumber.

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By mshulman

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 1:49 PM

I've seen some pretty outrageous comments from time to time, but you really take the cake with your comments here.

Xbox was Microsoft's first console. They were going to have to compete with PS2, Wii and PS3. They didn't need to compete with themselves too by having 2 consoles in the market. So their plan was to release the 360 and discontinue the originaly Xbox.

Sony on the other hand took a different approach. They decided to continue with the PS2 AND the PS3. One could question how smart a move this was since continuing PS2 support means new games and less of a reason for PS2 owners to upgrade to PS3.

And you are really fooling yourself if you think the 360 isn't competing with the PS3. Microsoft not only has a huge online subscription base, but also is bringing in a lot of extra revenue with their TV's, Movies and other downloadable content. They will not be abandoning 360 anytime soon. It will be at least another 2-3 years minimum before we see the next gen of consoles.

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By Metfanant

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 4:21 PM

and the PSone was Sony's first console...but they didnt dump that to give us the PS2 right away now did they? Nope...

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By siryak

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 12:59 PM

I swear I think you get dumber every day. Do you not hear yourself? Why in the hell would they dump a console that is selling quite well in 12 months? I'm going to ask you again. Are you retarded?

The reason they dumped the Xbox is because it was never as popular as the PS2, because they released later and it had less games *cough* PS3. The 360 on the other hand is just the opposite. With the 360 out and doing so well there was no reason anymore to hang on to the console that was just simply their entry into the market.

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By pitdingo

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 9:39 PM

Yep, the Wii is _DOMINATING_ the XBox 360, as in

!!!!!!!!!!!WTFPWNBBQFANBOICRYINGPWNFEST!!!!!!!!!

Just like the PS2 did, and is still doing BTW, to both the XBox and XBox 360. Not sure who is still buying PS2's though.

http://www.vgchartz.com/aweekly.php (scroll down to the bottom for systems sales info)

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By Hollywood__

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 8:54 PM

The good thing is Microsoft offers a 3 year warranty whereas the PS3's is only 90 days.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 12:05 PM

PS3 is 1Yr.

360 is 3Yr for Red Ring Of Death, 90 days for anything else.

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By siryak

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 1:00 PM

WRONG! The 360 is 1 yr and 3 yr for RR.

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By Metfanant

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 6:54 PM

1 year in Europe...

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By Metfanant

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 9:43 PM

Sony Computer Entertainment America ("SCEA") warrants to the original purchaser that the PS3TM hardware shall be free from material defects in material and workmanship for a period of one (1) year from the original date of purchase (the "Warranty Period").

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 5:17 PM

3 year warranty, a market-leading and winning strategy.

I'm looking forward to seeing the positive impact this kind of product support generates.

I wonder if the others will have the sense to follow - or will they take comfort from their idiot support (we can see examples of here) who'd have people believe a decent & long guarantee is not something desirable at all.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 6:42 PM

Surely a well designed, well build, reliable hardware DOES NOT NEED A 3YR WARRANTY to keep consumers believing in it.

The reality is, the FDC was on the verge of investigating Microsoft regarding the 360 failure rate, Microsoft knew this, and the warranty press release and sucking up to shareholders was the result..

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By SGD

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 8:59 PM

Next time you buy a car ask for a 90 day warranty since they aren't needed.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 7:03 PM

LMAO.

Yeah, of course, for you a 3 year warranty is bad.

Bad Microsoft, how dare you stand by your products for 3 whole years.

No doubt you just smile weakly & say 'Please Sir, may I have some more' as your Sony controllers bend you over.....

Try waking up from your 'Stockholm syndrome' to actual reality for a change.

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By Steve Austin

edited Jul 9, 2007 - 8:30 AM

Nice way to turn it round..

The facts are however, Microsoft are not offering a 3 Yr warranry on RROD failures for YOUR benefit, they are doing it, because the FDC was on the verge of an investigation into the problem, and there was no other way out.

Don't pretend it was done out the of goodness of their hearts. If the FDC had not launched the investigation, they would still be denying there was any problems, and creaming $80 profit on each repair..

PS. The 3yr waranty is ONLY for RROD failures, it does not cover any other system failure, or disc scratching issues. Read the Xbox FAQ...

"Any Xbox 360 customer who experiences a general hardware failure indicated by three flashing red lights will now be covered by a three year warranty from date of purchase. All other existing Xbox 360 warranty policies remain in place."

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By siryak

edited Jul 9, 2007 - 1:01 PM

When does large companies EVER do ANYTHING for the "consumers" benefit?

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 2:07 PM

Why The Xbox 360 Failed

David Richards and Wire Services - Sunday, 8 July 2007

Asian Xbox 360 manufacturers are blaming poor console design cheap components and a lack of testing coupled with a manic obsession by Microsoft to beat Sony as the reason for the Xbox 360 "Red Ring Of Death" probems.

Two years ago In a desperate quest for supremacy in the gaming console market and in an effort to beat Sony and then later Nintendo with their Wii console, Microsoft committed themselves to getting the Xbox 360 to market some 12 months ahead of the new Sony PS3. They also stripped costs out of the unit in an effort to undercut Sony.

Now they are paying the cost of their failed marketing exercise...

http://www.smarthousenew...evices/Console/L3R2T2S6

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 5:22 PM

Who?

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By plague201

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 2:23 PM

If the 360 is failing to Sony, then someone forgot to tell Microsoft.

http://www.joystiq.com/2...heir-six-month-birthday/

PS: Take the Wii out of that list since as any Sony fanboy knows, the Wii is not a real gaming system (sarcasm)

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 2:21 PM

Meaningless... The tide has turned, people are seeing the 360 for what it is, a pile of junk...

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By siryak

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 4:16 PM

Sales numbers say differently.

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By pitdingo

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 8:08 PM

Sure they are. The Wii is dominating the XBox 360.

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By siryak

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 9:29 PM

ROFL...Typical $ony fanboy. Yes the Wii is dominating the 360. It seems though that you are avoiding the point. Understandable considering how bad the POS3 is doing.

Incase you didn't know I like the Wii too. So if that is some kind of attack then you might want to try again.

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By Metfanant

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 10:31 PM

is the PS3 outselling the PS2 at this point in its life cycle?

YES...

I think the PS2 ended up doing well...the PS3 is not doing bad at all...

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By siryak

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 9:35 AM

The PS2 didn't have a whole lot of competition back then either. Also it had all the good games like the 360 has now. So I guess that means the 360 is outselling the PS2 2x and the Wii is outselling it at least 5x.

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By SGD

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 9:00 PM

So it's a good product and fun unlike the PS3.

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By plague201

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 2:22 PM

Who are these people?

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By terminalx

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 9:22 PM

What is also funny, is if you bring up anything upabout rootkits, class action lawsuits for playstation 2 they have nothing to say.

Yet, keep stating the 30% as fact for the failure rate but with no proof.

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By Metfanant

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 9:36 PM

M$ is too afraid to release actual numbers man...we are using the only sources we have which are employees of various gaming stores....if you think the failure rate is much lower than 30% you have another thing coming...

I have nothing to say about the PS2 because I still have a working LAUNCH PS2...nothing to complain about here...

and Rootkits are bad....I'm not a Sony fan to be honest...they are a BIG reason I have not bought a CD in years...

I just happen to own a PS3 and am 110% happy with my purchase...

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By siryak

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 10:18 PM

Well I still have a working launch 360!!!

"if you think the failure rate is much lower than 30% you have another thing coming..."

If you think that you actually know what the failure rate is you got another thing coming. We are talking about 2 stores here. You nor anybody else but MS knows what the failure rate is. Everything else is just numbers that somebody pulled out of their ***.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 7:56 AM

I find it hillarious you are still trying to pretend the failure rate is not that high.

Even a total idiot can see there is enough proof that the failure rate is about 25%.

Talk about living in denial.

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By siryak

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 12:03 PM

Hey dumb ***...Show me in that post where I claim the failure rate is not that high. All I said is he did not know what the failure rate is. Nobody knows. Every number someone posted is just a number they pulled out of their a** based on returns to 2 stores! Are we having trouble reading Stevie?

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By SGD

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 9:51 AM

The bottom line is MS is fixing them for free so its not a big deal to me. They at least admit and fix the issue. Again $ony didn't do this with their past systems you tend to ignore that.

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By Steve Austin

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 10:49 AM

That's because there was no widespread issues with the 120 million PS2's shipped.

Sure a few hundred thousand my have had disk read errors, but it's a drop in the ocean.

Not really compariable to 30% of 10 million consoles...

Looks like the PS2 is also being improved, even after 7 years..

http://uk.ps2.ign.com/articles/802/802262p1.html

I can't see the 360 being around in another 2 years, let alone another 5.5 years time...
Surely this means Microsoft have only sold 8 million 360's if 2.5 million have failed...

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By terminalx

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 12:27 PM

It was a class action lawsuit, it would have had to be a significant # to reach that and ITS still happening even with the slim lines.

If the slimlines get too hot they start skipping.

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By siryak

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 12:06 PM

ROFL!!! I noticed you called me a hypocrite earlier. "I find it hillarious you are still trying to pretend the failure rate is not that high." "That's because there was no widespread issues with the 120 million PS2's shipped." HA! Who is the hypocrite now! Also in denial.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 6:45 PM

Pleas by all means, show us evidence of 40 million faulty PS2 (30% of PS2 production). I would love to see this....

Reality is of course, that the real number of faulty PS2's is very small, and looks slightly larger than expected, due to the immense number of units out there..

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By siryak

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 8:05 PM

Please by all means show us evidence of a 30% failure rate on the 360. If you think numbers from 2 stores is evidence you are more retarded than I thought.

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By Hollywood__

edited Jul 7, 2007 - 8:40 PM

Hocus,

There seems to be a lot of first time posters in here all saying the exact same thing and replying to each other. We seemed to have gained more PS3 fanboys, yet they all post within minutes of each other and all showed up today.

Now that's a coincidence if I ever saw one. The strange thing is, none of these high end gurus has an explanation for the pathetic PS3 attach rate compared to HD-DVD players and 360 consoles. HD-DVD leads 11 to 1 in that category and that's a fact.

They all seem to get more and more frustrated with my brilliant genius by replying with a lot of caps and question marks. It's almost like someone was getting away with multiple accounts and is no enraged at the fact that I spotted it and exposed him/her as a desperate lonely retard.

Surely the guilty party wouldn't respond to this post because I'm sure a lot of people are confused as to who I am referring to and that would point him out. The fact that I will never directly reply to such a gramatically challenged ape that only spews monosyllabic unfactual data makes him even more desperate.

By the way everybody, if you read the fine print, the PS3 warranty is only 90 days.

Wouldn't you agree Hocus?

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By ShadowMajere

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 12:04 AM

LOL maybee its just me, But all the people that buy a ps3 in The BestBuy and Walmart I vend in. ONLY bought it for the use as a Cheap Blu Ray Player. Most and again this is in the NY area on Long Island. Most people buy the PS3 and don't have enough cash to buy extra accessors or games. They just walk out with the system. It is Rare here that I have gotten a Game, system, and extra controllers out in the same sale. But I will say they all jump on Best Buys Product service plans and Wal-Marts Product Care Plans. I don't even have to offer the services they all claim they had friends that the systems over heated on. But I do get the Nyko Intercooler sold almost all the time on the PS3

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By Metfanant

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 6:38 PM

your a flat out liar and you know it...if they have money for your overpriced service plan than they have money for games...gee is it possible that they are buying it as gifts and think $600+ tax is enough as a gift without getting an extra controller and games?...if they were buying it JUST for the movies don't you think they would have picked up some blu-rays....and no they don't have friends who have had their PS3 overheat...everybody knows Sony was smart enough to #1 get the system to run cool enough to house the power supply INSIDE the console (novel idea eh?) AND have it not overheat....if its overheating then they must be leaving it in a sealed case lol...its the 360 that overheats my friend...any "inter cooler" is a pure waste of money for the PS3...i've played games for hours and ran folding at home over night and never even HEARD the fans kick it up to indicate the system was heating up....

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By ShadowMajere

posted Jul 9, 2007 - 6:38 AM

First Off. Ps3 Service plan - Walmart - 58 bucks. Doesn't sound overpriced to protect something for 2 years that costs 600. Second off as to picking up BD disks. No New york wal-mart Stores sell Blu Ray DVD's. Matter of fact only 96 Stores out of the 5000+ Wal-mart Stores Carry Blu Ray or Hd DVD disks. Matter of Fact Only in the week 38 of Wal-mart will all of their 96 Flagship Stores Be carrying HD and BD disk on a Pod in an action allity. Best Buys PSP plan I do not recall the Cost on. BUT being in a primarily spanish Based Low income area. NO people only buy the system. Then come back a few weeks later and complaing that their are no 19 dollar games Like on the ps2. As for the overheating problems I have seen with the Sony It is true. I do not know if they have it in an enclosed case since most New Yorkers have their electronics stored in a case. At least the higher end Customers. As for me being a lier I even asked my DM and was replaied with that it is happening in the gamestops and Circuit City stores Also. As a Vendor for Sony who only Sees the Best Buy and Wal-Mart chains in Long Island. I can only talk about the wal-marts and Best-Buys I service. I'm Sure you will also argue that their Demo's Don't have a Software glitch that makes the system freeze either. But Anyway Our DM said Do to lack of Power Conditioners )goto love LIPA and Con Ed)being used. Do to our unsteady electricity, as everyone wanting their electronics hidden since look is everything in NY. YOU might have no problem with it. That does not mean Others do not. Where are you living. How is your system held. Is it in an electronics closet? Hidden behind a 32 Inch tube TV like alot of my customers Do? Built into a wall under a Plasma TV? Maybee its in a wide open area sitting on a Component table. Just as people with 360. Some people have no problem and will argue till their blue in the face theirs nothing Wrong like the MS fanBoys. No matter what you say it will not change that fact. Same thing as you Sony FanBoys. Minute you hear something about the prized system you blew all the cash on. You get pissed off. But just becuase YOU have no problems. Does not mean Others do not. I go buy actual Seen product working in the retail world. Where are you getting your information from. A web Site? Are we working in the retail world in a high electronics area that can see what goes on? Or are you just another tech head Shooting their mouth off without working in the retail industry , seeing what customers complain about. I am, and no I am not defending MS, they have had plenty of dead systems also. I specially Stated What I have seen in the Stores I run my product in. Not Stores around the US.

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By Metfanant

edited Jul 7, 2007 - 9:03 PM

re-read your fine print...because 90 days is not stated ANYWHERE in the warranty...unless you are talking about PERIPHERALS...but you wouldn't be THAT STUPID....or would you?

busted i think....

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 9:36 PM

Yeah, I see what you mean Hollywood_.

LMAO.

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By Hollywood__

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 10:43 AM

Hocus,

I was right about the 90 day PS3 warranty, I called Sony myself.

They also confirmed the sales numbers are well short of 3.5 million sold in the US. They said it's closer to 2 million and there are 3 million on shelves.

See how much you can find out when you call the company direct. I'm sure someone will post and old warranty and change the name from PS2 to PS3 in desperation.

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By Metfanant

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 2:01 AM

yeah, ok...

"LIMITED HARDWARE WARRANTY AND LIABILITY FOR THE PLAYSTATION®3 COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM

Sony Computer Entertainment America ("SCEA") warrants to the original purchaser that the PS3TM hardware shall be free from material defects in material and workmanship for a period of one (1) year from the original date of purchase (the "Warranty Period"). If the product is determined to be materially defective during the Warranty Period, your sole remedy and SCEA's sole and exclusive liability shall be limited to the repair or replacement of this product with a new or refurbished product at SCEA's option. For purpose of this Limited Hardware Warranty and Liability, "refurbished" means a product that has been returned to its original specifications. Visit www.us.playstation.com or call 1-800-345-7669 for instructions on how to deliver the product, freight prepaid, to an authorized service facility."

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By siryak

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 12:07 PM

Meaning you will haft to pay to ship it back to them. There goes $60.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 11:56 AM

Look, Hollywood__ has been proven to be the biggest Bulls***ter there is..

Next thing he will be claiming 30GB/31Mbit-sec HD-DVD sounds and looks better than 50GB/55Mbit-sec Blu-Ray!!!

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By Hocuspokus

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 1:28 PM

"30GB/31Mbit-sec HD-DVD sounds and looks better than 50GB/55Mbit-sec Blu-Ray!!!"

- Yeah, you're right there, more often than not it really does.

The funny thing is that as Paramount & Warner use the same codecs/encodes on their dual format releases that bit-rate is simply redundant and never going to be the big issue the Sony/PS3/BD shills would love to make it out to be.

Why not tell the truth and inform us about the single layer 25gb movie discs still being released Sony/PS3/BD shills, eh?

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By siryak

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 12:09 PM

In MANY cases it does look and sound better than Blo-Ray...

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By Metfanant

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 9:37 PM

if you think i have another user name on here you must be as stupid as Hollywood...although im not sure that is possible...

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By siryak

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 10:19 PM

It's not nice to call people names Dave...

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 1:30 PM

He gets a little touchy after a while and complains about people getting at him.....but feels it's fine calling people "retards" and so on.

He's a contradictory and complex little hypocritical guy is our Dave (or whoever it is).

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By Metfanant

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 2:00 AM

damn...thats close to my name...but its actually Anthony...

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 5:05 AM

So Dave is your profile name and Anthony is your real name?

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By p1ague201

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 6:03 PM

Man this sucks, I'm on my 4th replacement 360. I wish I'd bought a PS3.

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By plague201

edited Jul 9, 2007 - 9:54 AM

Actually Dave, I'm on my 2nd replacement and yes I do plan to buy a PS3. But don't think for a second its because the games are so good... Here are my incentives.

http://kotaku.com/gaming...hits-july-15-275391.php
http://www.bluraysavings.com/index.html

If it weren't for these 2 things I wouldn't even bother with this console. But alas I'm a sucker for a deal. $100 off and then roughly another $100 dollars for the movies puts the POS3 at roughly $400 dollars which I can live with. :-D

PS Keep in mind that these are both desperate moves by Sony, but It looks like they will pay off. Just as Microsoft is spending a fortune fixing the 360 so too is Sony spending a fortune trying to flush the PS3 down peoples throats.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 5:06 AM

Hello Dave.

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By ShadowMajere

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 12:06 AM

What the hell you doing to your 360's Failing to Mod em and sending it back for a new one...

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By plague201

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 3:46 PM

I've successfully moded both consoles I've had. The problem is the notorious ring of death. Fortunately for me Microsoft has made it hassle free, except for the inconvenience to wait .

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By siryak

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 9:13 PM

LOL! When logic fails fight with stupidity. Typical $ony fanboy.

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By terminalx

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 8:45 PM

WOW, you do know a 1 does not equal a L right?

Now you are desperate and trying to pretend to be other people, just yeah I got nothing...

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By Hollywood__

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 10:45 AM

Sony will call it quits on the PS3 right after Christmas 2007. I heard this from a reliable source.

I'm sure someone will be responding any second to Sony's defense. I'm just wondering which of thier 24 (now 26) BetaNews usernames they will use?

Of course the frustrastion will only multiply exponentially as I will never directly respond to the guilty party from now until the second coming. You can see the anger building every second that goes by.

By the way, I just checked and according to my sources, BD just lost the lead to HD-DVD movie sales this afternoon. What a Shame.

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Jul 7, 2007 - 1:58 PM

Sony are in good shape, PS2 is still selling well, making profits from games, consoles and acessories, same for PSP, good sales in all regions (despite being outsold by DS). PS3 is losing money sure, but it's early in it's life, things get better, they always do, PS1, PS2 and PSP were always loss leaders initially.

If anything, Microsoft are the ones going to jack it in, the Xbox division has lost over $6 Billion since 2002, and the $1.15 billion fix bill for the shoddy quality of the 360 is not included in that number.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288313,00.html

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By Hocuspokus

edited Jul 7, 2007 - 9:45 PM

" the Xbox division has lost over $6 Billion since 2002, and the $1.15 billion fix bill for the shoddy quality of the 360 is not included in that number."

Actually the whole 'XBox enterprise' (ie everything since it began in 2000) is reckoned to have a total cost of about $5 billion US.

Microsoft made that in the 1st quarter of this year (2007) alone (net) in profits.

(But of course the years in between were all enormously profitable and it was easily afforded as they went along.....nevermind the off-setting returns that were generated by sales)

Microsoft talk profits in the tens of $ billions annually, Sony talk in a few hundred million (if they haven't had a completely disastrous year).

A $1 billion cost (however unexpected or unscheduled) for Microsoft is just a pi*s in the ocean, quite frankly.
They just operate in an ocean so much more massive than their competitors.

In the end it's Sony who are the ones who really can't afford this drawn-out fight.

.....and no amount of cross company subsidy can alter the underlying fact that they just aren't in the same financial league.

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By terminalx

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 8:46 PM

Theres nothing in there that states MS has lost 6 billion. If you are going to quote losses please read the articles first.

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By siryak

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 9:14 PM

Like I said earlier. They don't actually read the articles. They just post them there because they think it makes them look official.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 7:58 AM

Perhaps they don't teach reading and writing at hick schools..

"Matt Rosoff, an analyst at the independent research group Directions on Microsoft, estimates that Microsoft's entertainment and devices division has lost more than $6 billion since 2002."

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By siryak

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 5:44 PM

Oh boy...Here comes more estimates passed as facts!

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By Hocuspokus

edited Jul 8, 2007 - 9:32 AM

Talk about living in denial.

The figure was XBox has cost $5 billion since it all started in 2000, so I guess this additonal $1 billion makes that $6 billion.

But that's a cost figure, not a net profit or loss figure.

In any event clearly whilst they'd love to have turned a profit on day 1 they are a little more adult and grown-up about this (unlike the idiot Sony peanut gallery).

They don't care about the costs of the XBox project, they're just short-term losses they'll happily take to either knock Sony out of the business or put them in a minority share position - which is exactly what is happening, Sony have gone from bigger than all the rest to merely being the largest minority.....and the Sony market share is right now shrinking not growing, unlike Microsoft's.

Microsoft made $5 billion (net of taxes) in the 1st quarter of 2007 alone.....which is the latest in many years of excellent profit growth (which contrasts markedly to Sony's profitability and history over the last 7yrs).

They can easily afford it but Sony can't.

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By Metfanant

edited Jul 7, 2007 - 1:15 PM

you are out of your mind!...the PS3 is selling faster than the PS2 did! And has sold more than the 360 did at this point in its life cycle with NO competition...They would be CRAZY to call it quits now...their big name titles are just starting to come out....

AND the PS3 is single handily winning the High Def format war...blu-ray ftw....sorry HD-DVD....

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By mshulman

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 9:28 PM

No competition doesn't necessarily mean much. People very likely could have been waiting to see what PS3 and Wii had to offer before getting a 360.

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By Hollywood__

edited Jul 7, 2007 - 8:24 PM

The PSX failure rate was 81% and the original thick PS2 was 73%. That's a fact.

In my house it was 100% on both, 2 PSX's and 2 PS2's. Sony never fessed up to the problem. Another fact.

Even though I never mentioned my 360, (which has been flawless so far) in this post, some moron will try to work it into thier reply. Of course my PS3 hasn't failed either but it's hard to break something that is never on unless I'm watching Talledega Nights or Casino Royale.

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By SomeoneSmart

edited Jul 7, 2007 - 2:27 PM

Yeah, you need to lay of the drugs. Sorry your XBox is failing you, but you don't have to go and out and try to attack other companies and bad mouth everyone else for sticking with a company that has proven successful in the last two generations and has only started this one... Maybe you should actually look into a PS3, see what it has to offer now and in the future, instead of being a complete idiots and saying false and absurd things.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 5:09 AM

"SomeoneSmart"

Are you sure?

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 1:55 PM

Links?

72% of 120 million Playstation 2 units sold?

Your taking bad drugs... This is more nonsense that your usual tripe you post..

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By terminalx

edited Jul 7, 2007 - 8:58 PM

There was a class action lawsuit, SONY LOST, they still refused to admit that there is anything wrong yet there are THOUSANDS of sites dedicated to fixing Sony's shoddy lasers.

I loved my ps2 it was a great system and it was not as powerful as xbox but still a great system with all the right games.

Also to note the newer models not the slim line model but the one's previous to that had difficulty playing the blue backs, now there was only a few games that were blue backs, but still an annoying issue.

The fact remains people are STILL complaining about the disk read errors and this is 7 years later.

The only reason I bought a new ps2 after mine failed was I bought one off of ebay and after repeatedily calling Sony found someone who admitted that the Sony laser's were faulty and they replaced mine but made me pay for the shipping there. (I only paid 15 dollars for it as it was considered doa but I can't complain)

He doesn't even need to post the links as its a wide known fact that the ps2 had a significant failure rate and again a class action lawsuit was brought against them and they lost but still if you would call them and ask before the deadline depending who you spoke with would you get a fix.

Which you guessed it would be covering it up because if some employees were trying to charge you and others wouldn't and there's no info at all on their site about it either.

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By Metfanant

edited Jul 7, 2007 - 1:23 PM

where are your sources???...because I still have a working LAUNCH PS2 somewhere around my house...

oh thats right you have no FACTS....or sources...you're just an idiot...lets see what you're wrong about next...you're already wrong on the PS3 issues...the blu-ray issues...what can we get next...your hole is getting mighty big hollywood...

oh and stop calling it the PSX...if you knew any better you would realize that the PSX was an entirely different system then the PS or the PSone

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By terminalx

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 9:00 PM

Again, just google, yahoo, live search playstation 2 disk read errors there was a class action lawsuit not sure how much more proof you really need and that sir is a FACT.

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By Metfanant

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 9:45 PM

yeah I know of the problems with the PS2...I personally had none...again...I have a launch ps2 that works fine...it takes a lot longer to load up games than it used to but it still does just fine...this has NOTHING to do with the Xbox360 in any case...

unless what you are saying is...I don't mind that 360's are bricking left and right because PS2's did the same thing....which is a stupid argument to say the least...

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By terminalx

posted Jul 8, 2007 - 12:32 PM

The point is that Microsoft is doing something about it BEFORE it went to a class action lawsuit.

Sony had to go through a class action lawsuit and still denies there was a problem, just go to their site and faq about disk read errors.

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By siryak

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 10:21 PM

No what we are saying is you make it sound like the most unheard of thing in the world when obviously it is not.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 7, 2007 - 7:32 AM

I'm looking forward to some comment some time about how good a 3 year warranty is and just when the rest might match Microsoft's (excellent) move.

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