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Microsoft: 'We misjudged demand' for Xbox 360

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

February 14, 2008, 11:14 AM

Microsoft admitted Wednesday that it sales for its flagship Xbox 360 game console were in fact so strong that it hasn't been able to maintain inventory levels.

Redmond may be playing the expectations game as NPD data listing monthly console sales is due shortly, and may show some weakness due to these supply problems. Microsoft's game marketing chief Jeff Bell said it could have an impact on its sales.

"We're literally out of stock in many stores," Bell told Reuters. January and February numbers are expected to be affected most, but the company is ramping up production and will likely be able to meet demand by spring.

In December, Microsoft sold some 1.26 million units, one of its best months ever. The surge in sales allowed it to keep pace with Nintendo's Wii, which sold 1.35 million consoles during the same period.

The shortages also apparently are upsetting retailers, more of which find themselves "on allocation" -- meaning Microsoft is sending consoles to the locations where it is selling the best, while others may not be getting many consoles if at all.

Nintendo's Wii is expected to surpass Microsoft as the next-generation console with the largest installed base sometime this year, according to iSuppli. By the end of 2008, the Wii will have shipped 30.2 million units, surpassing the Xbox 360's install base of 25.7 million units, the firm projects.

Worse yet, the PlayStation 3 is expected to surpass Microsoft by 2011, reaching 38.4 million units. However, unlike the previous generation its market share could stay close to even, with the PS3 garnering a 35.4% share, Wii 34.8%, and Xbox 360 29.8%.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 6:26 AM

Looks like the PS3 is now outselling the 360, in it's last remaining home teritory.

http://www.gamesindustry...tent_page.php?aid=33153

Of course, the PS3 has been killing the 360 in sales in most other regions for a long while now, but finally it looks like the US have taken off their rose tinted 360 glasses, and see it for what it is, a unreliable, underspec'd pile of junk, with a few good games (because it rushed out a year early).

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 2:30 PM

BLASPHEMY! Sony must have paid off every retailer in North America...there is no way people are buying PS3's!!!

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By Skyfrog

edited Feb 15, 2008 - 11:20 AM

Let us know when you get some decent games to play on it.

"In terms of software sales, however, the PS3 only managed to place one game in the top ten - Call of Duty 4, which came in at number eight. The Xbox 360 version of Call of Duty 4, on the other hand, remained in the top spot for the third consecutive month."

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 12:40 PM

Are you still in 2007 timwwarp? there are plenty of great PS3 games.

Infact if you want to compare the 1st year PS3 titles to the 1st year 360 titles, you will see the quality of the PS3 releases vastly superior that what the 360 had, which basically sucked until Gears came out.

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By reptile168

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 2:13 PM

wait, so the PS3's first year didn't suck with inferior port of xbox 360 games?? It also didn't suck before uncharted gave some life to the struggling system??

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 2:27 PM

if the PS3 is struggling, what does it say for the 360?...considering the PS3 outsold the 360....uh oh....spin away fan boy....spin away...

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By Skyfrog

edited Feb 15, 2008 - 3:03 PM

What's hilarious is you calling someone else a fanboy.

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By SGD

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 2:10 PM

Opinions are like you everyone has one.

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By Skyfrog

edited Feb 15, 2008 - 1:39 PM

Right, I guess that explains those sales figures. All those great PS3 games are really flying off the shelves! Even the few good games the PS3 does have sell better on other consoles.

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By SlapShot

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 9:01 AM

this must be the happiest day of your life Dave

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 11:02 AM

It is, as all the sad wankers here, that predicted that HD DVD would win, and the 360 was the greatest console ever (when it's actually the greatest pile of steaming turd ever).

http://www.reuters.com/a...s/idUSN1446484320080214

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By Skyfrog

edited Feb 15, 2008 - 11:33 AM

After reading that post here is how I picture you:

http://tinyurl.com/2pjgtx

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 12:42 PM

and you..

http://img219.imageshack...p?image=pctool01cx8.jpg

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By Skyfrog

edited Feb 15, 2008 - 1:38 PM

Recycling an old PC Tool image I see. Figures that's the best you could come up with. Try to find one that makes sense next time fanbaby, lol. The way you fellate Sony that image might be more appropriate for you anyway. :P

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By JohneeyRocket

edited Feb 15, 2008 - 4:18 AM

I don't know what all the fuss about Nintendo is all about.. I played it at a friends house and man.. it gets old really fast plus picture and sound quality is far inferior.
Xbox and it's games will only get better and will soon start leavin the others behind..
PS3 iisssss toooo s l o w "(

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 6:08 AM

Wii is a system for kids and families, with titles liek Pony Stroking, and Animal Crossing.

360 is now a very tired system, that's reaching the limits of it's capabilities (Gears was rumoured to be using over 90% of the consoles power), the lack of standard HDD, and being numbered with last-gen DVD drive is also severely hampering it. With HD DVD now dead, where does that leave the Xbox360? The fact you need to spend $120 to buy a HDD to play GTAIV on the 360 speaks volumes.

The PS3 is just starting out, whilst it's hard to develop for, what that means is current games are just tapping into the console potential. Uncharterdd Drakes Fortune was reporting to be using just 10% of the console power, and the developers of Resistance Fall Of Man have gone on record to say that gamed used even less, with the Resistance 2 move more and more code to the 8 CPU cores.

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By SGD

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 8:43 AM

A tired system what a load of crap. The PS2 reached its limit many years ago and good games were still coming out. I am amazed at how so many people still believe that in order for a game to be good it has to be the best looking thing on the block. You do not need the HD drive to play games people swapped disks on the PS2 for years and did people make a big deal about it like you rabid fan boys are doing. Move more and more code to the 8 cores that too is a load of crap. Where is the OS running oh yeah its on some of the cores so they are not free for use. That is cool that there is run to grow with programing on the PS3 but that does not mean the games will be any better than the competition. Reminds me of the childish comments of metfanant of who's is bigger than who's, what an immature child.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 10:05 AM

The point is, the benefit that every XBox owners shouted from the rooftops, namely "360 is easier to code for", is the same thing that will bring 100% console utilization upon them much quicker.

Whilst the PS3 will grow year on year, with better games than last year, the 360 will look the same as it's always done.

Sorry, you can't have it BOTH ways...

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By SGD

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 11:25 AM

That does not mean that the games will look that much better and you know it. The CPU in the PS3 is awesome but the video side is well not all that great.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 12:44 PM

Says who? It's better than the Xenos in almost every respect... And don't give me that Geforce7 crap...

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By Skyfrog

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 2:01 PM

I like how you post "Says who?" and then follow up with your own totally unfounded opinion. Oh sweet irony...

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By Niro

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 11:45 AM

LOL...he's the only one I know that can turn a huge PS3 downside and make it a positive thing...lol it's kind of funny to read his posts though you gotta admit. :)

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By chia-homer

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 2:40 AM

ITS OVER, THE WAR IS OVER!!!

TOSHIBA DROPS HD-DVD!!!!!!!!

http://www.hollywoodrepo...b22e860b14b889b10defb59

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 11:10 AM

Walmart drops HD DVD..

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9873029-7.html

Anyone else dropping the HD DVD sh1ttystick?

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By yountmj

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 8:30 AM

...after a rash of retail defections that followed Warner Home Video's stunning announcement in early January that it would support only Sony's rival Blu-ray Disc format after May.

Sony's format??? That can't be! They don't know what they're talking about. Discredited immediately. We all know it's not Sony's format... *sigh*

No big deal to me. I'm actually looking forward to Toshiba manufacturing a reliable Blu-ray disc player soon... one actually worth having.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 10:06 AM

Toshiba make crap, deep down you know it.

You are only fooling yourself.

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By SGD

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 2:15 PM

Toshiba makes more quality products then $ony. $ony used to make very good stuff but that was oh so many years ago.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 6:57 AM

Even reuters is reporting it..

http://ca.reuters.com/ar...s/idCAN1451010520080215

Wonder where Hokuspokus is now.... Head in the gas oven?

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By il-loostya

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 9:02 AM

Actually the original article looks to be Reuters.... authors are the same.

Toshiba are playing a smug game though.... its amusing how they are giving very neutral comments,

"Based on its technological advancements, we continue to believe HD DVD is the best format for consumers, given the value and consistent quality inherent in our player offerings"

Unbelievable. They are going to wait until all units or as many as possible have been put into the market fully knowing and probably planning the development of their own BD players. Business is business and hell if they are practically going to give them away then its not a huge loss the consumer ("Its also DVD upscaler!" - Toshiba) but they going suffer quite a lot of negative publicity on this one.

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By SGD

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 9:31 AM

They will be just fine they make lots of other very good products. Consumers going in had to be blind to think that both formats would survive. I thought it would take longer than this but in the end it is better to have just one. I bought early took my chances and now have one for the most part dead format. I will most likely pick up another one as a backup unit when and if my present player fails. As far as negative press, no more than what is happening with the profile issues with blu ray. If I recall they have a lawsuit against them not HD DVD. Funny how something that Sony is involved in has a lawsuit.

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By Bladeforce

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 12:17 AM

Wouldnt a fourth player in the console wars lead to Sony's demise much more quickly?? Bring it on!!!

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By Bladeforce

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 12:14 AM

"read the PDF file idiot....Sony themselves said that...you can't flat out lie on real deal financial statements...that is breaking all sorts of laws..."

hahahahahahahahaha sorry i have been laughing for 10 minutes!! Oh heaven forbid Sony would break any laws!

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By Bladeforce

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 12:13 AM

Metfanant i asked for a source for the PS3 sales NOT a biased source. Obviously you have lost the plot again and are resorting to Sony style tactics again....and STILL you cant see it!

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 2:25 PM

translation:

"$h*t, I've got nothing to refute those claims because it just blew up my whole argument so i will resort to just saying that official financial statements are biased because i hate Sony so much"

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By Skyfrog

edited Feb 14, 2008 - 11:41 PM

NPD 2007 total US hardware sales:

Nintendo DS - 8,500,000
Wii - 6,290,000
Xbox 360 - 4,620,000
PlayStation 2 - 3,970,000
PSP - 3,820,000
PlayStation 3 - 2,560,000

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By The-One

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 11:33 PM

I want the one that I don't have to send back every few months, please. Honestly, MS messed up on this one, they should come in last.

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By GeneralLeoFF

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 8:53 PM

I have a 10 inch p****

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 9:04 PM

Toshiba says we shouldn't care, because even though SGD's is smaller its got cooler interactive features!!...

and MS says that even though your's is in higher demand around the world, and has actually got more action in both fiscal AND calendar year 2007 and all indications are that yours is just plain better...its more of a supply problem with SGD's p**** that is the problem....

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By SGD

edited Feb 14, 2008 - 9:36 PM

Nice you really need to get a life.

You really must be a 12 year old to talk like that, grow up.

Nice try at flaming I am above your childish games. I would like to think that such language would get you banned.

Posts like that only loses you any credibilty that you might have. What a sad life you must live.

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By SGD

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 8:04 PM

Sony fanboys in a full court press again.

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 8:34 PM

blind Sony haters in denial as usual....

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By Skyfrog

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 1:34 PM

No, just fanboy haters.

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By SGD

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 9:33 PM

Not at all.

As I have stated countless times I have a PS3 and could really careless what you or any other bloray fanboy says. You act like Sony is a religion or something. Grow up get a job and move out of your moms basement already.

You must be mad that you can't afford all the systems and formats.

Maybe one day a game worth playing will come out for the PS3.

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 2:22 PM

i've got the consoles I want...nothing to do with money....

I dread the day i walk into my local best buy or game stop and see a Wii just sitting there because i know ill be buying it...

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By Hollywood__

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 12:21 AM

Very well said. I'm a complete idiot when it comes to spending money on crap. I was at Best Buy on Dec 10th when the new blue / black Nintendo DS was released, I bought two.

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By kholdstare

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 6:35 PM

Microsoft is just trying to steal some thunder sense Nintendo got some good press when they were saying they wern't keeping up with demand. Face it Kids (because no one on here can act mature enough)the Wii is outselling the crashbox 360 and the playstation 3 hands down every month and nintendo isn't even loosing any money off the console too. all 360 owners enjoy that red ring of death that'll happen in a couple weeks if not lessthan that

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By The-One

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 11:32 PM

I've had 3 rings of death. I'm on my fourth crshbox 360. Great games, but crappy piece of hardware.

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By Niro

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 9:38 AM

I feel ripped off because my xbox never crashed.

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By SlapShot

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 6:27 PM

"the PlayStation 3 is expected to surpass Microsoft by 2011"

good luck with that

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 7:40 PM

why? it already outsold the 360 in 2007...and there really is no reason that trend should not continue...

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By Banquo

edited Feb 14, 2008 - 11:09 PM

What dimension did this happen in, because it sure didn't happen in this one.

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By Niro

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 9:40 AM

I think ben spit out that crazy comment somewhere...and metafant worships the guy because he works for Sony...so he took that comment and ran with it, believing it's the truth in his little Sony world.

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By TemporalBeing

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 4:15 PM

Microsoft just wants to be like Nintendo with demand for its Xbox360. The numbers will likely slump back to normal pretty soon...

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By Bladeforce

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 3:36 PM

@Adrian79 the only fanboy here is you Mr PS3 lover. I actually own every console ever released in the western hemisphere and that includes the days from the zx81 onwards....
I dislike the PS3 because it just hasnt got many great games on it and before anyone starts chanting game names remember and this is a big remember for Sony fanboys...everyone has a personal taste..the PS3 games just leave me cold. I try them and leave them it's just not there for me..

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By dvferret

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 4:45 PM

Woah! You totally forgot about little benny.

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By Hellcat_M

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 3:46 PM

I agree, I don't have a PS3, but I've looked at what games are out and I can only pick maybe 3-4 games that I can actually say I want to play (not counting games that are on both PS3 and Xbox 360. Xbox live is MUCH better than whats on the PS3 (a friend of mine has a PS3 and and Xbox 360 and buys games that are on both that have Xbox live on the Xbox 360 because its so much better).

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By Bladeforce

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 3:32 PM

Metfanant can you post a link to where you get 10.5 million PS3 consoles sold please? VGchartz is widely known to be the most complete and up to date worldwide figures out there from very reliable sources. I am just wondering which is your source?

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 4:50 PM

sure can....

I'm using Sony's numbers from their official financial statements...
http://www.sony.net/Sony...ncial/fr/07q3_eleki.pdf

also take into account that as of Q1 2007 Sony uses recorded sales instead of just shipped units like Microsoft does....

by the way...VGChartz just considers themselves to be "The Most Comprehensive Videogame Charts in the World"...they are still total estimates...

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By siryak

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 6:31 PM

"also take into account that as of Q1 2007 Sony uses recorded sales instead of just shipped units like Microsoft does...."

*cough* Bulls***

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 7:42 PM

read the PDF file idiot....Sony themselves said that...you can't flat out lie on real deal financial statements...that is breaking all sorts of laws...

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By SGD

edited Feb 15, 2008 - 9:54 AM

Sony has a long history of not telling the truth so why should they be believed. Oh yeah I forgot you said its true so it must be. Your resorting to personal attacks is getting rather old, however not unexpected.

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 8:25 PM

right, so Sony is going to lie to their investors and all the various federal agencies from the various countries in which they operate...like i said...Sony is not even THAT stupid....

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By Banquo

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 11:10 PM

Nope, companies never do that.

lmao

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By SGD

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 9:34 PM

Ok what ever you say.

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By xyzcb1

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 3:24 PM

"Worse yet, the PlayStation 3 is expected to surpass Microsoft by 2011"

I just find this funny. In 2011, there will be a new generation of consol. Maybe a new player come in and own the big 3.

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By SGD

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 4:08 PM

Sony has not made a single projection yet and I expect this one will be the same.

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 4:43 PM

Sony has yet to meet a single project yet it outsold the 360 in 2007...AND it reached the 1 million console mark in the UK faster than the PS2 was able too....damn that console is selling horribly...

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By SGD

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 7:56 PM

Spin boy spin, so what you want they still have not met thier own sales goals. Bad way to compare there troll.

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By Metfanant

edited Feb 14, 2008 - 8:27 PM

im not saying its good to miss sales goals...but the fact that they are now outselling the 360 worldwide...and beat the best selling console of all time to 1million consoles in the UK is impressive, missed goals or not...

ask Toshiba if they projected to get b*tch slapped by blu-ray in the format war like they did....whoops!

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By Hellcat_M

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 3:54 PM

Thats very possible, it would be nice to see a 4th player come out...maybe Nvidia? Actually I think it would be a good move if AMD/ATI came out with one since they can make both the chips, graphics cards and the motherboards. BUT Nvidia would definitely have a better chance of getting the game manufacturers to make games for it plus since they bought Ageia they can put the physics chip on board. I can see Intel doing it also since they can also use their on chips and motherboard, plus they own Havok phisics so they can put that on board, they would just have to use either Nvidia or ATI for graphics (probably pick Nvidia) and they would have a pretty easy time getting game companies to make games for them also.

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 7:43 PM

why would either ATI or Nvidia compete against their own products?....Nvidia makes the PS3's GPU, and ATI makes the 360's....

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By Niro

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 3:58 PM

Personally I would prefer not to have a 4th player. It's already annoying enough to have to get three consoles just to get the games you want...I don't really want to see more game disparity and get 4 consoles because I can't play some games on some consoles or some games are just garbage because 60% of the developers time was spent ensuring the game works on 4 different systems.

Three is a good number, it provides good competition and a good amount of games / console.

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By shy_one

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 4:08 AM

There is already a 4th player in the game PC games.

Before you say not relevant do to most games going to the consoles first didn't Microsoft say at one point that they wanted to have PC players on xbox live giving developers yet another thing to work on.

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By Skyfrog

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 1:37 PM

While games are indeed available for both, PCs and game consoles are really not in the same market at all.

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By Hellcat_M

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 3:14 PM

I think by 2011 MS will come out with another console. By that time processors will be much faster, graphics cards will be a lot better, probably DirecX 11 or 12+ will be out and MS will be there to take advantage of all of this. $ony will still be licking its wounds making up for the PS3 and the law suits they're going to have with Blu-ray.

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By Cobbie

edited Feb 14, 2008 - 1:47 PM

I don't get this article at all. You can't swing a dead cat in a Best Buy here in central Arkansas without hitting about a dozen 360s.

On the other hand, I've been trying to buy a Wii since the first of December (yeah, I waited too late) and haven't been able to find one.

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By PC_Tool

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 2:53 PM

Crazy Cat Lady, is that you?

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By Bladeforce

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 1:17 PM

Oh my Gawd you guys fighting over a controller??? Haha You forget the POS3 does have sixaxis but unfortunately for Sony Nintendo means fun, always has done always will do. Sony is just for fagots with fanboy attitudes!!

Failure rates by the way... http://wii.qj.net/Report...-at-3-/pg/49/aid/113669

So a POS3 has a failure rate of 3%? Hmm so when it does reach Wii sales figures of 22 million that figure will go up to what? 7 or 8%? Electronic standards usually go off the guide of a solid product will have a failure rate of 5% or less. Tells me both the POS3 and the xbox360 are very unreliable products!!

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 2:56 PM

i doubt the failure rates will climb that high for the PS3....they are over 10.5 million consoles at this point and i see little reason to believe the failure rates will climb much higher....MS on the other hand seem to have somewhat figured out their hardware issues...with initial reports of nearly 30% failure rates, not looking to be settling in the mid to high teens....unfortunately, the 360 is REALLY in need of a complete hardware design overhaul, and not just the bandaid fixes it has recieved so far....Nintendo and Sony have made a couple of seemingly rock solid consoles...go figure two companies with a history of hardware sales make a more well built console than a software company....

of course with the link you posted using samples in the "high hundereds" i dont know how reliable they are...

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By Danno

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 5:18 PM

"the 360 is REALLY in need of a complete hardware design "

You really are a TOOL IMO. Why would they do a complete hardware design overhaul when the console STILL SELLS MORE THAN THE POS3!? Why would they do anything of the sort when they are already looking at the next GEN CONSOLE. Your soo diluted with your fanboi gayness towards Sony where you and your other Fanboi friends are pillow biting each other. Think of it this way YOUR LOOSING THE CONSOLE WAR YOUR CONSOLE BLOWS. It can't compete with the 360 or the WII they have grasped the market away from you and will continue to prosper for because they offer games that are easier to program and design for.

You can try and retort with sales numbers supplied by SONY but lets face it.. those are completely flawed as they will use any number they can to show that they are selling something (proven by they're BLOWRAY numbers where all these POS3 console buyers are exclusively using them to play BLOWRAY disks)
I must pose this question to you Metfanant why do you continue to post here when your pro POS attitude would be more welcome on the SOny boards as they are trolled by mindless consumers like yourself who continue to believe that SONY is still the be all and end all of the technology industry.

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By Metfanant

edited Feb 14, 2008 - 9:00 PM

haha...the PS3 outsold the 360 in 2007...period....the PS3 outsells the 360 EVERYWHERE except the United States...

the PS3 sold 10 million plus consoles in the time span from November 2006 to November 2007...the Xbox 360 did not, that is a fact....but hell...ill use VGchartz's numbers....

ill try not to get too far ahead of you...at 16.98 and 9.94 respectively (from vgchartz)....thats barely more than a 7 million console difference....meaning...that even if the 360 BARELY outsold the PS3 this year with 9.941 million sales...that means the 360 would have sold ONLY 7 million consoles with its 1 year head start...but Microsoft was very big on the fact that they moved 10 million in the first year...but i guess you would know more about 360 sales right?....did i lose you yet??

the 360 needs a hardware redesign not because of capabilities, but because of terrible design...the 360 is a super powerful machine that was unfortunately designed by a software company...MS could not even get the power supply inside the console! and it STILL gets so hot to cause the mobo to warp and make the GPU pull away and cause the RRoD...so instead of really fixing the problem...they used beefier clamps, and added a 2nd heatsink....i will agree with you that they will not complete a redesign, because they probably are looking to release the new xbox in the near future...it would be just like MS to screw its console customers AGAIN by killing off a console prematurely...and they also realized they got totally schooled by Sony on the standard features front: built in wireless, standard hard drive, standard HDMI on all models, built in high def media player, built in support for multichannel uncompressed HD audio...

moving on...Sony CAN'T lie about the numbers...those are legit financial statements lol...thats breaking all sorts of laws to lie to your investors and such....not even Sony is THAT stupid...and this is the company that brought you rootkits and UMD's!!....

Sony does not release blu-ray sales numbers....because Sony does not sell ALl of the BD's....the recieve a royalty payment from the studios to create the discs, but after that the sales go to the different studios...not to mention im not sure how you can dispute the fact that blu-ray outsold hd-dvd EVERY single week in 2007....

here is the difference...Sony uses registered sales for their numbers....from what I understand MS uses (or at least used) consoles SHIPPED for their numbers...and because of that they were able to achieve their "first to 10 million" claim by stuffing every possible channel full of unsold consoles to make it seem like the sold 10 million....of course 30% of them will meltdown anyway so its no biggie...

and just as a disclaimer, Sony also used "consoles shipped" as their measure from the end of 2006 to the beginning of fiscal year 2007...so the first 2 Q's of sales are bloated...but as far as lifetime sales are concenred its still accurate because those "shipped" consoles were all early 60GB models which have now sold out...

is your head hurting too much yet? or are you just so upset that the "POS3" is outselling your beloved 360? or that "Blow-ray" killed hd-dvd

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By Banquo

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 11:12 PM

This folks is an example of Fanboy Frenzy.

Go write a novel.

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By xyzcb1

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 3:26 PM

You don't know what will be the failure rate for PS3 until it starts getting abused. (AKA, playing game, what it was designed for.) For now, they are promoting it as a blu-ray player. I think Best Buy High Def Advantage all you to get PS3 as a Blu-Ray to get the HDA discount.

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 4:53 PM

oh please...blah blah...first nobody plays blu-rays on them....now all they do is play blu-rays on them....get out of here...people play plenty of games on them....

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By SGD

edited Feb 14, 2008 - 7:59 PM

There are games, I must have missed them.

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 8:23 PM

please...Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Unreal Tournment 3, Resistance: Fall of Man, MLB 08 (releasing in a couple weeks), Warhawk....all great games, all only available on the PS3....not to mention all the great multiplat titles like Cod4, DMC 4(which is better on the PS3 than the 360 i might add), Assasins Creed, yadda yadda...

oh and we still have MGS 4 on the way....

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By SGD

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 9:50 PM

Just because you like them does not make them good. I bought Ratchet and sold it didn't care for it. Fall of Man was ok, Gran Turismo as stated before I could careless. I hated all the others so expect nothing more this time around. Then there is MLB what a load of crap that is Sony sucks at making sports games always has always will. Unreal nothing compares to the PC version, Uncharted and Heavenly Sword were good but way to short. Onto Warhawk online only no thanks. Ok Cod4 better on the PC, DMC got it for the 360. Before you bash the 360 version how is Orange Box on the PS3? DMC better on the PS3 since when? The reviews say it is the same except the PS3 loads 4 gig on the HD so some parts load faster all because the blu ray drive is so fricken slow. Keep trying, believe it or not fanboy there are two other systems out there with very good games. You make it sound like the PS3 is the only system out there with good games. Get a life.

I can see your next post all kinds of childish name calling just like always.

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By Metfanant

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 2:15 PM

never said the PS3 was the only console with good games...to say the PS3's library can equual the 360's is stupid, its been out for a year less...of course the 360 will have MORE solid titles...

find me a place that says there is a better baseball game than Sony's MLB the show...The Show 07 was considered easily the best baseball game last year and this year will be no different...

Orange Box on the PS3 sucks, but not because of the console itself...its because the dev dumped the port on freakin EA of all people...and EA did a piss poor port of the game...DMC loads data not because the BD drive is slow, but because Sony was forward thinking enough to insall a HDD in ALL models of the console...

and just because you don't like the games i named doesn't mean there are no good games for the PS3...you're argument refutes you're point...to say that just because i like them does not mean you do goes both ways...because you DONT like them, doesn't mean they are not good games...

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By Adrian79

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 1:26 PM

acutally, i dont think anyone is "fighting", you seem to be the first fanboy to enter this thread. Welcome ps3 basher :-)

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 1:25 PM

Do they have school in your country?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/percent

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By Hollywood__

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 1:10 PM

This does dound highly suspect, they may be sold out in certasin areas but not here. There are stacks so high, you cant even see over them. Same goes for the PS3.

You can't find a single Wii though, or a DS for that matter. They just released a cobalt blue and black version on the 10th, so I picked one up for myself so I don't have to play a pink one.

By the way, has anyone striked every lane on the (Wii) progressive pin bowling stage without cheating on the last one? I've been trying forever and can't do it.

I have been able to get through the barrier lanes with a single ball. I've also come close to bowling a 300, all but one frame.

The Wii is a fabulous way to spend time with your family (if you are into that sort of thing), but my 6 year old daughter has grown fond of the 360, she loves the demo games that download automatically, then talks me into purchasing them from Live.

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By Metfanant

edited Feb 14, 2008 - 1:03 PM

sales are SO strong that the "overpriced, dying, dead, POS" (according to these forums) PS3 outsold it during 2007...

I'm shocked that Ed was allowed to post that last part about the PS3 being expected to overtake the 360 in insall base....

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By Danno

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 5:29 PM

OUTSOLD what where?
According to official records the WII and the 360 OUTSOLD THE POS3.
Please do not bother posting fraudulent SONY numbers because lets face it no one believes anything they say but YOU.

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By SGD

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 8:00 PM

The store that he works at sold one PS3 and no Wiis and no 360's so the POS3 is flying off the shelves.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 12:53 PM

Do people actually fall for this PR nonsense?

Obviously Ed Oswald does..

The 360 sales are globally on a serious decline, and this is Microsoft releasing press releases to try and convince people otherwise.

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By pridewalker

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 11:15 PM

"Do people actually fall for this PR nonsense?"

Considering how often you take Sony's hype for fact, this is the funniest thing I've read on this board in days.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 3:43 AM

I don't ever recall Sony posting nonsense likethis...

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By Skyfrog

posted Feb 15, 2008 - 1:44 PM

Is it selective amnesia, or just dishonesty?

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By MikeTechno

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 12:42 PM

This is total BS. I have worked at major electronics retailers for months and never once saw the XBOX's sell out. The Wii's on the other hand, are constantly out of stock. They are never available. I think MS might be halucinating here - again!

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By raveen69

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 12:38 PM

Is microsoft really sure about this? Every time I go to best buy there are Rows and rows of 360's just waiting for a home, but i still can't seem to find atleast ONE stag Wii....

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By pitdingo2

edited Feb 14, 2008 - 12:36 PM

"Nintendo's Wii is expected to surpass Microsoft as the next-generation console with the largest installed base sometime this year, according to iSuppli."

Huh? The Wii surpassed the M$ 360 in worldwide sales about five months ago. The only market the Wii has not passed M$ in is the USA, which must be what they are talking about. Hell, the PS3 has been selling more hardware than the M$ 360 worldwide for the past several months.

The Wii sells more hardware and software weekly than any console except the Nintendo DS.

http://www.vgchartz.com

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By SGD

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 3:57 PM

M$ you are so clever. I hate that site that you link to that spyware, adware infested POS.

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By Adrian79

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 12:11 PM

I know i'm off topic, but.. just like most of my friends I didnt know that the ps3 also has "wii like" capabilties with the Motion sensor controllers.. HELLO SONY why dont you advertize this?? I have to educate wii users when they tell me they perfer wii because it has motion sensors, duh so do us ps3 users!! ;-) Warhawk is soo much fun with the sixaxis

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By Niro

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 12:28 PM

Because the sixaxis motion sensing is a joke compared to the Wii controller.

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By Adrian79

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 12:36 PM

the wii annoys me.. Personaly, I dont even use the motion sensing options anymore on the ps3 I did for about a week, but that also is annoying just like the wii.. so i disable the option in the games. I'm not saying ps3 motion sensing is better than wii, but it works great! (if your into that sort of thing)

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By Niro

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 12:40 PM

I don't know, it sounds to me like you've never played the Wii. Honestly I barely play because of the lack of games...but to say the sixaxis is anything close to the wiimote is insanity...and someone who even considers making a claim like that obviously lacks any personal experience.

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By Adrian79

posted Feb 14, 2008 - 12:59 PM

i was going to mention that I work next door to a game stop and I play the wii anytime i want lol, and I never said it was anything close to a wii.. I actually use a "Dualshock 3" controller for ps3 coming soon to america (i live in florida).. your right the games for wii are veryy wack and limited! I'm close to 30 and I def have no interest in motion sensing controllers, but some games are definitly fun to use em with. The ps3 contorllers work just f