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Microsoft and Intel to Support HD-DVD

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

September 27, 2005, 12:00 AM

Microsoft and Intel on Tuesday pledged their support for HD-DVD, the next-generation DVD format created by Toshiba. Microsoft had previously remained neutral in the standards war between HD-DVD and Sony-backed Blu-ray, as the company's VC-1 Windows Media Video codec will be included with both formats.

The announcement isn't that surprising, however. Microsoft's Xbox will soon begin a fierce battle with Sony's Blu-ray capable PlayStation 3 for living room dominance, and the company inked a deal in April for Warner Home Video to use VC-1 in its HD-DVD discs.

Other Microsoft rivals, including Apple and Sun, have thrown their support behind Blu-ray. Sun's Java Virtual Machine technology will power the menus and multimedia features in the new format.

In June, Microsoft also entered into a wide-ranging agreement with Toshiba that enables the two companies to share hardware and software technologies. At the time, Microsoft said it would investigate the feasibility of an HD-DVD player running Windows CE.

But in the end, copyright controls may have been the deciding factor for Microsoft and Intel. As the two companies push out more Media Center enabled PCs, the movement of protected content around the home becomes an important factor.

Blu-ray will include advanced watermarking technology that favors standalone consumer electronics devices by requiring authorization codes built into the hardware to access content. Such security features could make it difficult for consumers bouncing video from a PC to a TV, or those streaming content between networked computers.

Backing from "Wintel" and other PC heavyweights could prove an important boost for HD-DVD, which has been losing momentum to Blu-ray in recent months. Toshiba acknowledged in late August that its high-definition DVD format would not be ready by the end of the year as originally planned, pushing HD-DVD into early 2006.

Still, it's unclear whether consumers will even express interest in high-definition DVD - especially with the confusion a fractured marketplace will bring. Movie studios could create hybrid discs that also contain original DVD content, but that won't encourage users to make the leap into HD.

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By godofthunder

posted Sep 29, 2005 - 9:55 AM

Too much girly bickering!! *marketing*
*consumers* *physicists* and what the hell is
x = vot + 1/2at2??

Just look at "hardgiants" specs and judge for yourselves my fellow lamers. Everyone is different so people will select what suits them best.

Personally I reckon blue ray will get eaten up by hd-dvd like beta did...

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By jofin

posted Sep 28, 2005 - 4:23 AM

As a simple layman, it seems to me that this is potentially another case similar to the Betamax / VHS competition.
At the time, I read all the magazine articles and plumped for Betamax as it offered better picture quality etc.
Well, we all know how that war ended and despite Betamax "being better" it is long dead.
Could Blu-ray end up making Ray really blue?

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By shy_one

posted Sep 28, 2005 - 4:15 AM

Microsoft and Intel noted several "requirements" that they feel HD DVD meets. "Managed Copy," for instance, will allow users to make copies of HD DVD discs for personal use. We expect that HD DVD users with Media Centers (for example) will be able to pop in a disc, copy it to a hard drive (with DRM translation in effect), and build a digital library that way. Currently there is no competing feature in the Blu-ray camp.

AS more homes go digital this will be a very good selling point for HD-DVD providing they can get hardware designers to build fairly cheap and easy to use and setup hardware to extend your media all over you home.

If you think about it if you want to watch a movie you can just push a button and a menu will pop up on your TV and just select what you want wheather your in your living room sitting on your couch or in bed wanting to watch something as you fall asleep with out having to get up look throu your collection and put it into the player.

From what i can tell from the Blu Ray camp is they want to make it almost imposible to do this sort of thing they seem to want to copy protect the living hell out of everything atleast HD-DVD camp is going we know the pirates will figure something out but lets atleast meet the consumers half way between copy protected and using the DVD that you paid for freely.

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By xodex

posted Sep 27, 2005 - 10:51 PM

Intel, Microsoft. I applaude you.

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By TheRecklessWanderer

edited Sep 27, 2005 - 11:17 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that HD-DVD is garbage, or even bad.

I just think that Blu-Ray with the larger capacity is a better decision.

Unfortunately, marketing rules the world, and with MS, Intel and Tosh all on board, even sony is going to have troubles making the other standard fly.

However, HD-DVD will still give a better picture than DVDs do today, so I'll take what I can get.

As for the physicist, I hate guys who flaunt their education to prove a point. One of the dumbest guys I know is a Doctor. I wouldn't let him operate on my steak dinner.

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Sep 27, 2005 - 4:37 PM

Austin814 is asking an important question and making a relevant comment... what does it matter? We don't even have a standard for + vs - and we're worrying about the HD format? Smart vendors will support both.

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By nmvenci

edited Sep 27, 2005 - 4:15 PM

Does having any knowledge in physics have anything to do with this argument? I dont need x = vot + 1/2at2 to make a knowledgeable decision. Each format has clear advantages and disadvantages. So rest assured guys, us "laymen" can sleep easy at night knowing we dont need a degree in physics to have an informed opinion. Bolaris, you are truly a dink...or perhaps jeffmercer put it better when he said, " that guy whos a physicist is dumb.. probably the stupidest one to comment".

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By hardgiant

edited Sep 27, 2005 - 8:40 PM

Don't need to be a physicist to get the pros and cons to both.

***HD-DVD***
1. Backwards compatible with DVD and even a dual disc format with a DVD and HD-DVD stuck together.
2. Not much cost for DVD manufacters to upgrade there current equipment.
3. Volume: Lower cost means that tens of 1,000,000's of HD-DVD's could be produced in no time at all.
4. 15 gigs single layer, 30 gig dual layer or 45 gig triple layer for movie HD-DVD-ROM
5. 20 Gig single layer for computer burners and a 40 gig dual layer. So HD-DVD BURNERS might be popular with homer users if they are cost efficient.

***BluRay***
1. 27 Gig single layer, 54 Gig dual layer
2. 100 gig 4 layers and 200 gig 8 layers future proof.....
3. 54 mbps video rate could provide a better picture quality.
4. More costly to produce on day one but will go down as mass productions pickups.
5. Computer burners will be more expensive one would guess.

BluRay is better but it's the unknown cost factor that will be the biggest selling block. If I can buy a computer burner that burns 20 gig disc compared to bluray which burns 27 gig but cost a lot more. Will the extra 7 gigs be worth the money. I doubt dual layer will be a huge factor on computer burners due to complexity and cost so the 40 gig versus 54 gig won't be a big selling point.

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By jeffmercer

edited Sep 27, 2005 - 2:46 PM

that guy whos a physicist is dumb.. probably the stupidest one to comment. Lets see smart man.. what format was better BETA or VHS... BETA DING DING! and what did the public like better? VHS!

It has absolutly nothing to do with which is better it has to do with cost and abundance. People will try something new if the cost is right. I do sales and it happends everyday! people buy into HD sets because they dont cost 10000 bucks anymore they cost 2500.
Get your marketing right and your product can sell itself. Toshbia has gotten an alliance now that will help it make it to market.
Besides id rather pay 15 bucks for a HD DVD then 30 for a BR Disc

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By Eeyan

edited Sep 27, 2005 - 3:40 PM

"what format was better BETA or VHS... BETA DING DING! and what did the public like better? VHS!"

That was the power of advertising driving consumer choice. NOT cause they knew it was 'betar'. People who did their homework....... voted for Beta.

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By TheRecklessWanderer

posted Sep 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM

I can't believe Microsoft, supposedly a forward looking company is backing HD-DVD, a standard clearly behind Blu-Ray. Unfortunately, it's clearly a death knell for the mighty blu.

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By Austin814

posted Sep 27, 2005 - 11:01 AM

I dont really see why we need a standard, the real solution is DVD players that support both formats which will, in the end be the answer. I believe its Samsung which is alread working on it. Look at the DVD drives now, DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RAM, DVD+RAM,DVD-Rom, Dual Layer....who cares how many types there are, so long as both play. No way will people buy an HD-DVD and a Blue-Ray player, they will wait until they support both, then it wont matter. To the consumer AW. If Microsoft really wanted to kill the playstation that would be the route. The Xbox 360 with HD-DVD and Blue-Ray support.

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By bolaris

edited Sep 29, 2005 - 9:34 AM

Its a shame to see how consumers are being controlled by mass marketing campaigns.

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By hardgiant

posted Sep 27, 2005 - 7:29 PM

Buying Threshold !!!!

Toshiba thinks that their product is just good enough to meet the buying threshold. It will be more cost efficient to BluRay at the beginning.

However BluRay is a better bet for long term with the ability to put up to 200Gigs on a disc and the fact that it has a higher data rate for video.

BluRay also has more companies backing it:

Who developed Blu-ray?

The Blu-ray Disc format was developed by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), a group of leading consumer electronics, personal computer and media manufacturers, with more than 140 member companies from all over the world. The Board of Directors currently consists of:

Apple Computer, Inc.
Dell Inc.
Hewlett Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsus***a Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
TDK Corporation
Thomson Multimedia
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures

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By AlanRivaldo

posted Sep 28, 2005 - 6:55 AM

Why can't we say "Matsus***a" here?

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By wincement

posted Sep 28, 2005 - 12:34 AM

Wow. You did your homework.

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By firestone

posted Sep 27, 2005 - 2:44 AM

This is starting to look like a right royal balls up as we say in the UK!

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By robertguda

posted Sep 27, 2005 - 1:29 AM

seems to all simmer down to the good old finacial stakes as opposed to the quality stakes...pity...maybe the vhs/beta/philips2000 battle served no purpose ?

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By Adrian79

posted Sep 27, 2005 - 1:05 AM

im the first to comment?! yay! ;-)

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