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Microsoft says possible end of HD DVD won't impact Xbox 360

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

February 18, 2008, 6:12 PM

No matter what Toshiba decides to do about HD DVD, Microsoft says the decision will have little bearing on the Xbox 360 game console, for which the Redmond company sells and HD DVD add-on.

Microsoft had aligned behind HD DVD from the beginning. The company helped create the HDi interactivity platform used by the format, and offered an external player hooked to its flagship game console. Sony, in contrast, built a Blu-ray player into the PlayStation 3 and used the format for its game discs.

Many industry watchers credit the PlayStation 3 for helping Sony get Blu-ray players into homes despite low standalone player sales, enabling the company enlist the support of more studios and manufacturers than HD DVD.

The recent defection of Warner Bros. to Blu-ray for that reason has led Toshiba to re-think its HD DVD business, and the company is rumored to be considering pulling the plug on the format as soon as this week.

"We do not believe the recent reports about HD DVD will have any material impact on the Xbox 360 platform or our position in the marketplace. As we've long stated, we believe it is games that sell consoles and Xbox 360 continues to have the largest next-gen games library with the most exclusives and best selling games in the industry," Microsoft said in a statement.

Microsoft told BetaNews at CES in January that it has not ruled out making a Blu-ray player for the Xbox 360, a sentiment that was seemingly echoed Monday. "We will wait until we hear from Toshiba before announcing any specific plans around the Xbox 360 HD DVD player," the company said.

Still, Microsoft sees digital distribution to be the future for movies and other entertainment, much like Apple. "We will continue to give consumers the choice to enjoy digital distribution of high definition movies and TV shows directly to their living room along with playback of the DVD movies they already own," Microsoft added.

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By THZGryphon

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 7:53 PM

Why do you care?

*Edit: Original comment gone now.

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By Point Zero

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 12:28 PM

I hired an XBOX360 for a few days, played a bit of "Need for Speed : Prostreet" and the screen was skipping like hell, so the console can't even keep up with games written for it.

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By SGD

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 1:28 PM

Ok now that is a bunch of crap. I have Prostreet and it works just fine.

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By Jahmekan

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 9:47 AM

We are talking about MS and not Sony. MS would have like to see HD DVD win, but it it NOT their technolgy. MS will use the popular format in their next console and that's just it. I think (opinion) what MS is really waiting for is for the internet providers to open up the pipes, so we can download HD content at a faster speed. MS will push Xbox Live, because they have control over the content and they get a cut from usage of the service. This is all about business and MS will do what's best for MS and the same goes for Sony. Sony took it on the chin with integrating Blu-ray, but they are the victors for it. I am curious to see how 2008 holiday season plays out.

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By sphinxers

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 2:36 AM

WTF are you talking about!!!

PS3 has like 2 exclusive good games since it was released.
However 360 has tons of exclusive hits that beats the crap out of PS3.
I agree that the PS3 is the best Bluray player on the market, but as far as gaming is concerned, it's not even anywhere close to the XBOX 360.

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By yountmj

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 7:59 AM

Likewise, what are you talking about? Is that supposed to be a reply to someone else? You're replying to the article, and it stated no such thing.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 7:13 AM

Games come down to personal choice but it certainly has far more than 2.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 6:38 AM

"PS3 has like 2 exclusive good games since it was released."

Warhawk
Ratchet and Clank TOD
Unchartered Drakes Fortune
Motorstorm
Resistance Fall Of Man
Eye of judgement
Gran Turismo 5 (already out in Japan)
Heavenly Sword

That's just the great ones, and I missed out the PSN exclusives.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 10:34 AM

"Gran Turismo 5 (already out in Japan)"

No it's not.
Trust me, it would have already been bought by me if it was.

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue is, however.

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By SGD

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 9:51 AM

They may be exclusives but no one bought them. Look at the sales and see for yourself, so sad.

I see a rather disturbing trend in video games. Take Drakes for example a very short game but a part two coming soon. What happened to the games that took 20 or more hours to finish? Now you play for 5-7 hours if you are lucky then have to drop down an other $60 to get the next part that frankly should have been in the first game. The new game plan seems to be lets remove chapters from games and sell them as a new game. Before you get your boxers in a bunch Benny Sony is not the only guilty party but they appear to be the most guilty.

You forgot Lair in your little list.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 10:54 AM

I seem to recally Halo 3 was 5 hours of gameplay, and Gears of war even less...

Drakes Fortune is a million seller, as are several other PS3 titles.

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-103435.aspx

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By SGD

posted Feb 20, 2008 - 9:07 AM

Funny online both games can be played almost forever. How is Drake online play, hum.

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By SGD

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 12:05 PM

Wow just what I figured you would come running in defense. You missed the entire point of the post. Games are being made so short. Instead of making a full game you are more or less forced to buy the full game in installments. Nice job at avoiding the entire message.

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By damndj

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 10:12 AM

You mean 1 million + copies of Uncharted Sold? Yah, clearly no one bought them.

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By SGD

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 10:18 AM

Uncharted: Drakes Fortune
Sony
13
461,220

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By PSXp-ONE

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 2:34 AM

Mmm, what's going to happen here is that Xbox may just continue with the HD-DVD addon, but as it dies it will be abandon which will THEN become the next generation system in its line...does any body remember the CD add on for Super Nintendo which never saw the sunlight until years later it became the PSX?

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By yountmj

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 10:40 PM

Yes, but what I remember more was the Sega CD and 3DO... probably since I had them long before the PlayStation.

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By shydoc

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 2:12 AM

Microsoft's decision won't hurt it, as nobody is buying Xbox 360 due to its reliability. Even shop keepers not carrying it anymore. Wii and PS3 is selling like hot cake. This what happening in my country.

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By pgravelle

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 10:07 AM

Well, guess you didn't see this for the US...

"SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp is seeing shortages of its Xbox 360 video game console in the United States, as the company failed to anticipate strong post-holiday demand, an executive said on Wednesday."

http://ca.reuters.com/ar...s/idCAN1337448620080213

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 3:38 AM

"Microsoft's decision won't hurt it, as nobody is buying Xbox 360 due to its reliability. Even shop keepers not carrying it anymore. Wii and PS3 is selling like hot cake. This what happening in my country."

And what country is that?

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By slinkys_delsol

posted Feb 18, 2008 - 10:10 PM

MS does not actually care that HD-DVD was ending. They had no plan on using a HD-DVD Drive in the unit nor were they using the format for Games.

Thing is, MS does not care about Hardware, they only make $$$ off the software (Games). They actually would rather a 3rd Party Company make the 360 in general. They loose $$$ on all consoles sold, but they make mega $$$ on all games sold! Once you have the hard ware (360) you need the software (Games).

I think they will sit back and see who is willing to make a BLU-RAY Drive for the unit or what the costs of putting a BLU-RAY Drive in the unit. It does not make any type of sense now to sell and "External Drive" for the 360's of the future.

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By preinterpost

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 9:10 AM

They are marketing the unit not simply as a game console but as a media hub. As such they have no choice but to eventually support whatever HD standard there is.

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By DotNet_Coder

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 9:39 AM

Yes, but the 360 is also going to be the first game console to support IPTV. So, in terms of supporting a HD format, they could easily pass on Blu-Ray in lieu of downloadable HD content (which they have a ton of already on XBox Live).

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By davidlerner

posted Feb 18, 2008 - 10:35 PM

actually you are wrong, microsoft is making profit on the hardware, and of course on the software.

I think that microsoft could really care less from this, I mean they spent maybe a few million dollars on HDi, so it does not affect there place in the gaming industry

www.talkprice.net

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By slinkys_delsol

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 1:29 AM

In 2005 MS was Spending $715 to make each 360: (http://www.joystiq.com/2...x-360-costs-715-to-make/) Back then, that was $126 lose on each Console Sold!

Granted, it has been 2+ years since this report, and the cost of production has gone down, but until the Wii and PS3 came out, MS has no reason to do a price drop and production cost remained steady until recently (http://www.gamegrep.com/...production_cost_lowered/)

Even the first XBOX was a complete money pit for them as far as the Console was concerned. It lost 4 Billion (BILLION) total (http://www.xb360info.com/xbox/news/123)

Games (Software) are where the $$$ is at. When I last worked retail was right near when the PS2 came out. Employee price for the PS2 was $212. That is $12 more then if I had just paid standard retail for it, but games were another. Prices @ $50, Employee price on most was $6 - $9. Almost 400% mark-up on all the games.

Again, MS would rather someone produce the 360 and brand it, MS really just wants to be in the Software market.

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By lvthunder

posted Feb 18, 2008 - 6:51 PM

If I were Microsoft I would think about using HD-DVD's for games. The technology is already there. It would make it a lot harder for pirates to copy the games since there's not many HD-DVD burners around.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 18, 2008 - 6:55 PM

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can't use HD DVD for games, as it would alienate 11 million existing Xbox360 owners.

With HD DVD now on life support, and Toshiba due to pull the plug in the next 24hrs, Microsoft's only options are:

Stick with DVD for games.
Provide a Blu-ray movie player addon.

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By lvthunder

posted Feb 18, 2008 - 7:07 PM

Don't you think that Microsoft is already designing the successor to the XBox 360?

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By reptile168

posted Feb 18, 2008 - 7:17 PM

If Microsoft is to stick with its principle, i say that the xbox 720 should use HD DVD triple layer 51GB, since it'll be cheap anyway by then. Since they have a good relation with Toshiba, it wouldn't cost much loyalty, while using blueray must cost a fortune just to pay royalties

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 6:40 AM

Triple Layer never existed, it was made up by Toshiba to try and keep support. Much like their sales figures (750,000 global total including 360 addon, not the 1.2 million they claimed)

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By SGD

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 9:56 AM

And you have proof of that? You are real good at accusing people and companies of things with nothing to back it up.

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Feb 18, 2008 - 6:37 PM

But then Microsoft would say that. Microsoft sound VERY worried...

They release press releases pretending there was short supply of 360 over Xmas, when the stores were stocked to the rafters.

http://www.betanews.com/...for_Xbox_360/1203005650

Whilst the PS3 has long outsold the 360 is most regions, it's now outselling it in the US too, and only a few thousand units behind the Wii.

http://www.gamesindustry...tent_page.php?aid=33153

They are still suffering reliability issues, even thou they are 18 months in, and on the 3rd console revision. But never mind, they have a press release telling you they have new models coming, and these ones may work...

http://blog.seattlepi.nw...014.asp?from=blog_last3

An now they try and reassure people that despite having no standard HDD, stuck with last generations DVD drive, and an obsolete HD DVD drive, that users have nothing to fear..

That to me sounds like a company running around in a panic trying to cover the holes...

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By kashin

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 1:39 AM

"They release press releases pretending there was short supply of 360 over Xmas, when the stores were stocked to the rafters."

Is that why the 360 completely annihilated the PS3 in sales over the holidays? The PS3 was DEAD LAST behind the Wii and 360 during the holiday season. Good job making up fake "news" and trying to pass it off as fact.

"That to me sounds like a company running around in a panic trying to cover the holes..."

Nice try. The 360 is successful and will continue to be a success. All the trolling in the world on your part isn't going to change that fact. Microsoft is not worried about losses from their gaming division. I know you're desperately trying to convince people otherwise, but it's just a drop in the bucket for them. Microsoft's gaming division could continue losing a billion dollars every quarter for the next decade and it still wouldn't hurt the company overall. Something that cannot be said about Sony. Makes you wonder just how close Sony came to selling of their gaming division when the hole was so deep, they couldn't see the bottom. I can tell you that shareholders were not happy and they probably came close to calling it quits.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 6:33 AM

"Is that why the 360 completely annihilated the PS3 in sales over the holidays?"

Globally PS3 outsold the 360 over the holiday season. Just because your trailer park is full of 360's, that is not the whole picture. IDiot.

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By SGD

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 9:59 AM

Funny you mention trailer parks. Didn't you say that the only people that shop at Walmart is trailer park trash. Walmart=bluray=trailer park trash, oh the irony.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 8:53 PM

lol good spotting.

Ben is slipping a LOT recently.

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By Setian^Stalker

posted Feb 18, 2008 - 10:09 PM

"But then Microsoft would say that. Microsoft sound VERY worried..."

Microsoft are just stating the bloody obvious.
The hd-dvd drive was only ever offered as a optional addon for people to play hd-dvd's if they so wish.
It has absolutly no impact whatsoever on anyone who didnt get one (majority) so phasing it out isnt going to impact the 360 in the slighest, only those who purchased it as a hd-dvd player.

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By Danno

posted Feb 18, 2008 - 9:08 PM

Hey Benj aren't you sick and tired of the copy and paste routine your keep going with.

They did have better sales of the 360 than the POS3. People want to buy the 360, i am sure your reply will include failure rates which no one gives two S*#%s about. Maybe you and your Sony reps and fanbois should try and keep the crap your spreading to the inner office memos and here where the rest of us aren't going to believe your crap.

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By terminalx

edited Feb 18, 2008 - 9:07 PM

ROFL OMG that was the funniest read I have read to date, not only do your links show how incredibly dumb you are, you cannot deny they are biased since YOU posted them.

If you actually read them the only thing those links show is the ps3 is outselling the xbox360 for THAT MONTH by 20,000 BFD thats pretty sad for a console that is newer and supposed to be better.

Also note the top game sales (you know what people use game consoles for) has ONE ps3 title in the top 10 how many does xbox360 have? Hell, DS and Wii have more top 10 titles.

Its nowhere close to the wii the wii has double the sales of ps3

http://www.vgchartz.com/

Its the only site that I can find that matches what you stated. so it seems pretty accurate.

Post something else but try and show the ps3 has more then 10 million consoles out and you are going to get proved a liar again and again.

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By siryak

edited Feb 18, 2008 - 10:52 PM

LMAO It is 1 month. You are also missing the only part that developers care about. "In terms of software sales, however, the PS3 only managed to place one game in the top ten - Call of Duty 4, which came in at number eight. The Xbox 360 version of Call of Duty 4, on the other hand, remained in the top spot for the third consecutive month."

The PS3 is still not moving the software, which is where the money is. This doesn't put a smile on Sony or the developers faces.

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By PC_Tool

edited Feb 18, 2008 - 6:48 PM

Yeah...MSFT...panic.

You're a funny man, Benny.

Hate 'em if you want to, but the 360 could tank and you'd still not see a single bead of sweat.

They weathered the original XBOX, I think they can handle a wildly successful unit with *far* more titles available than anything currently out there.... (titles specifically for the 360, compared to titles specifically for the PS3 or Wii, I know how folks like to get cute with backwards compatibility)

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Feb 18, 2008 - 6:56 PM

"They weathered the original XBOX"

Nope, they discontinued the original Xbox after 3 years, to try and get a head start on this generation. In the rush, they simply forgot, or couldn't be bothered to test it, to make sure it actually worked..

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By PC_Tool

edited Feb 19, 2008 - 9:20 AM

Dude, get a grip:

The point had nothing to do with the original XBOX. It was merely an example. Leave it to you to *completely* miss the point of the post to grab at an opportunity to troll.

Now, I Know you like to troll anything MSFT, but *try* to keep up, will you?

AS such, I'd probably shouldn't ever expect you to be able to wrap your head around how asinine a statement like:

That to me sounds like a company running around in a panic trying to cover the holes...

...actually is.

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By SlapShot

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 5:51 AM

nVidia discontinued it einstein

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By terminalx

posted Feb 18, 2008 - 7:43 PM

Once again you show how incredibly stupid you are and the fanboy comes out once again...

Since Nvidia was developing the GPU and decided to halt production, how were they going to continue making xboxes genius?

Try again...

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 9:40 AM

The games also dried up the day Xbox360 launched.

I still see PS2 games aplenty, and will do for some time.

You lot are brainwashed by Microsoft, it's not even funny...

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By yountmj

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 10:48 PM

"I still see PS2 games aplenty, and will do for some time."

You heard it from our resident Sony expert:

People will be sticking with the PlayStation 2 for some time if they're waiting for games aplenty on the PlayStation 3.

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By terminalx

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 10:39 AM

Why would they continue to make games for something that is no longer in production?

You truly are a farking moron, companies do not continue to make software if the hardware is no longer being made.

You sir, are beyond brainwashed by Sony...its quite pathetic to have loyalty to one brand.

As proven by your AMAZING links that show the ps3 selling more but games are barely a blip on the radar.

NEWSFLASH CONSOLES NEED GAMES TO SURVIVE.

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By SGD

posted Feb 18, 2008 - 7:41 PM

That is bulls*** it had something do with a video chipset being discontinued. You are really a clueless TROLL. Funny how you lurk an article about the 360 Hd or bluray. Sony must be busy cutting you checks.

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By preinterpost

posted Feb 19, 2008 - 9:13 AM

Sony have issues with their corporate ethics but not that stupid.

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