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Microsoft to Lock Pirates Out of Vista

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

October 4, 2006, 12:01 PM

Microsoft said Wednesday that it plans to clamp down hard on piraters of its next-generation operating systems, crippling both Windows Vista and Windows Server "Longhorn" if users fail to activate their copies within 30 days.

While the restriction of operating system features has been around since the advent of Windows XP in 2001, the new program takes that process a step further. It would also make widely distributed volume-license product keys -- traditionally supplied to corporations -- harder to use.

Called the Software Protection Program, the initiative is made up of several parts. The first move is to make certain features unavailable unless the user has confirmed their copy of Windows as genuine. Only licensed copies would have access to Aero -- Vista's new user interface -- and ReadyBoost, which uses a flash drive to temporarily add more memory to a computer system.

Additionally, the functionality of Windows Defender would be crippled, and optional downloads from Windows Update would be unavailable to the unlicensed user. Microsoft would also place a watermark on the desktop at all times that reads "This copy of Windows is not genuine."

The biggest change, however, is to the Windows activation process. With a number of corporate product keys publicly available on the Internet, activating a pirated copy of Windows Vista was quite easy as it only took one activation to prevent reduced functionality.

With Vista, the activation isn't permanent. If Microsoft discovers that the user has used a product key without authorization, it will force the user to reactivate his or her copy of Windows. Product keys may be blocked for a number of reasons, Microsoft says, including for abuse, stolen or pirate keys, or if the key was seized due to anti-piracy efforts.

"The Software Protection Platform has been under development for several years," Microsoft's director of the Genuine Software Initiative Cori Hartje said. "It brings together new anti-piracy innovations, counterfeit detection and tamper-resistant features into a complete platform that provides better software protection to programs that leverage it."

While Vista and Longhorn are the first to use the new technologies, the program would expand to other products in the coming years.

Hartje cited data from the Business Software Alliance that indicated 35 percent of all software installed in 2005 was pirated and unlicensed. This represented some $35 billion in lost revenue for the software industry.

"Software piracy is not a victimless crime," she said. "It harms consumers, businesses and other organizations every year."

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By Randy Lamont

edited Nov 12, 2006 - 3:25 AM

i'm with MS way to go MS

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By earlvanze

edited Nov 8, 2006 - 4:56 PM

How I like my software - FREE.

I mean, we already payed for the hardware, what's with the software??

The only thing that should cost something is the actual computer itself.

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By ArabianNight

posted Oct 15, 2006 - 2:01 PM

Pointless and stupid, a way will be found to get around it eventually anyways.

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By Nikkie

posted Oct 10, 2006 - 6:01 PM

People will always find a way around this...always

Ms will just run away people for life.More to convert to mac and linux.o well.

btw,check the programs that are being made for mac.They have better programs,when they make them.

Try linux if you dare :p

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By GCoder

posted Oct 12, 2006 - 1:15 PM

More converts to linux and OSX...
Fine with me...

Thanks MS for making such a POS OS... Ha

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By imafurby

posted Oct 12, 2006 - 2:02 PM

Linux? You'll have to make it easier to use to get Mr and Mrs Windows to adapt to it.
God, I've tried most of 'em and they all suck in one way or another, and that's just a fact Jack.

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By crashoverride

posted Oct 18, 2006 - 12:27 AM

and Windows sucks in more ways than one.

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By deminicus

posted Oct 11, 2006 - 2:39 PM

one thing to mention most users of windows don't have the skills to change to linux, they don't have the skills to even keep their pc up to date, they need ms to do it for them ( and even that wasn't enough). Remember many people still use the words pc and cpu like they were the same thing. A mac switch may be possible, though macs are typically more $.

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By lonechicken

posted Oct 10, 2006 - 10:59 AM

The most ludicrous thing about the current Windows XP activation system is that you can't go in to change your network settings if your copy isn't activated. So you often can't activate via the internet and have to use the phone activation which isn't always operational.

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By caz3126

posted Oct 9, 2006 - 4:56 PM

I love windows no doubt...but wow the price...the price you guys talking about ($200US) thats like over $500 for me...plus shipping...god i feel like crying...anyway, i think microsoft spends more money on developing better protection for themselves than they do in developing a good OS for the consumer...and andrewvos...the amount of money you proberly make, could probly be cut in half and you still be driving in fancy cars...anyway...tell microsoft we gotta eat to eh

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By c4p0ne

posted Oct 8, 2006 - 3:51 AM

I have never bought a Microsoft OS. EVER. And I never plan to even if I do use the OS. Vista will be no different then all that came before it for me. Monopolize and force consumers to use your f*cking OS? Ok, we'll use but we won't pay. Id like to give a shout to the brilliant heroes of all time that "level the playing ground" between the little people (you and i) and evil (e.g. ms):

Crackers. Without them we'd be in a world of total software HELL.

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By deminicus

posted Oct 11, 2006 - 2:50 PM

it's a self stabilizing system, there will always be a % of people that will pirate it for whatever reason. ms isn't forcing you to do anything, you have choices, you just don't like them. and it doesn't level anything, since it drives prices up for people who do pay for it. if i pirate it, it would be simply because i can and i don't want to pay for it. it's honest and delusion free.

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By wtb56

posted Oct 11, 2006 - 12:52 PM

I look forward to the day when our society has enough sense to put criminals like YOU in jail.

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By plague201

posted Oct 9, 2006 - 11:29 AM

Careful what you say here, these people take it to the bone. They have illusions of legitimacy here. However, I for 1 support piracy :-D.

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By deminicus

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 1:53 PM

kaiser sosa is behind it all!!

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By huttman

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 10:33 AM

35billion lost, cry me a friggen river.

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By Stephen Bungert

edited Oct 9, 2006 - 2:03 PM

35 billion might seem a lot to you, me as well. To MS it's about the same as two months of your salary. Let people rip you off every year for two months salary and see if you feel annoyed about it.

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By KSzostek

posted Oct 9, 2006 - 10:11 AM

If it were your 35 billion you would cry a river.

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By kholdstare

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 10:12 AM

Vista is looking good so far for me. only started using it but there new network section is a little easier to get around. and navigating through sections is a little better too.

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By sdmunoz

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 10:12 AM

I'm agree with this new anti-piracy policies. But, why they don't make some cheapier software? There're countries like latin-america or others where the Microsoft software cost literally 'an arm' or 'an eye'. The should see that too.

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By Joe Dirt

edited Oct 6, 2006 - 9:32 AM

Microsoft is retarded. They are just putting themselves in a corner that nobody will want to visit.

I will never buy or use Windows Vista.

Just read why you don't need Windows Vista:
http://www.winsupersite....se/winvista_xp_apps.asp

What's funny is that Microsoft has spent all this time working on a new OS and it's really just a bunch of pretty eye candy. There is not much in Windows Vista that makes the OS better or gives you more functionality.

Microsoft, you suck. My next computer will be a Mac and my other older PC's at home will be reloaded with Linux. Take a hike.

;-)

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By KSzostek

posted Oct 9, 2006 - 10:15 AM

Quit complaining get your Mac now. You deserve it. GO NOW!

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By ProRathack

edited Oct 6, 2006 - 6:05 PM

Microsoft is retarded. They are just putting themselves in a corner that nobody will want to visit.

I will never buy or use Windows Vista.

Just read why you don't need Windows Vista:
http://www.winsupersite....se/winvista_xp_apps.asp

What's funny is that Microsoft has spent all this time working on a new OS and it's really just a bunch of pretty eye candy. There is not much in Windows Vista that makes the OS better or gives you more functionality.

Microsoft, you suck. My next computer will be a Mac and my other older PC's at home will be reloaded with Linux. Take a hike.

;-)

Joe Dirst

I'm with YOU 100%
I won't never buy Windows VISTA!!!
I will put Linux In My 2 PCs
And i'm also planing to buy MAC!!

Mac & Linux is the BEST!
Microsoft s*** LOSER!

I think Microsoft will sell popcorn and will make a restaurant under name "microsoft's Restaurant" soon for that s*** Prtoection that they made in the new windows.....

I wanna just to say something...
Me for example: I have been downloaded a hacked Windows XP SP2 Genuine from the net for FREE of course..
but when i see it good I have Bought a Linced One With MONEY

Nobody will be satisfaied to but that fraggin wondows....

That all i can said....

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By huttman

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 6:46 PM

note the proper spelling and english grammer there. Makes it kind of obvious why he cant run *any* OS. good luck with that there bud.

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By wtb56

posted Oct 11, 2006 - 12:59 PM

I hope english is his second language :)

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By awpd13

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 11:21 AM

This article describes how to lower Internet Explorers privileges in Win XP to surf the web with near Vista security.
========================
Browsing the Web and Reading E-mail Safely as an Administrator

Michael Howard
Microsoft Security Engineering

November 15, 2004

Summary: Michael Howard discusses how you can run as an administrator and access Internet data safely by dropping unnecessary administrative privileges when using any tool to access the Internet.

http://msdn.microsoft.co...html/secure11152004.asp

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By huttman

edited Oct 6, 2006 - 11:13 AM

although your comment has "some" weight to it, I find it a bit vague. you dont specify why its "retarded" and your comment about vista is also vague as far as why you wouldnt use it. SImply going by someones article (which I read) that you posted the link for, shows lack of reasoning. You show us someone elses view, escaping your own. How can you claim you know this OS inside and out when the final release isnt even out. also you dont even claim to have tried the RC1. I myself have been testing it for quite some time and have found a lot of useful tools compared to XP. True I wont be waiting in line to buy it and quick to change, but also can speak from experience in my claims, not by someone elses...

enjoy your linux and your "Maybe A Computer" which is nothing but a overpriced unix box.

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By deminicus

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 2:03 PM

i agree, people love rant but let's be honest, sooner or later most of them will switch to vista be they will have to if they want to use newer software. Also while linux has it's benefits many people forget that 95% of users aren't IT savvy or IT pro's. It's easy to think Linux could be such an easy switch, but remember that your basing that on your personal experiance. Most user's technical experiance peeks at making a myspace page, scary huh, especially if you seen some of those pages.

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By wtb56

posted Oct 11, 2006 - 1:01 PM

Amen, just mention "drivers" to a linux user and see what happens :)

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By Ramhound

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 7:48 AM

I saw a comment, where somebody said "Hasn't Microsoft made enough money on Windows XP", and I am thinking how anyone could really believe this comment.

I mean nobody says "Has Apple made enough money on IPODs, so they should be cheaper", or "Has Ford made enough money selling cars, so they should be cheaper"

I mean come on people, those that live in the United Sates of America, are the VERY reason this country is going down the s***ter. Your the reason other goverment official ( the other party ) hold off on giving information to the fbi, on a state congressmen that had some very sick conversations with a page, just to release it a month ahead of time.

I mean come on people, we are the only country where you can start out with nothing, and in the course of 30 years be the richest man in the country ( I believe thats right ).

Microsoft is a company, its job is to make a profit, $200 for Vista is not alot of money, hell people the compareable versions costs almsot ( within $10 ) the same as Windows XP.

Windows Ultimate, is the exception, YOU DO NOT NEED THIS VERSION but everyone that "attacks" microsoft who is breaking the law by using an illegal version uses the excuse "I don't have $400 to spend on my OS" so don't spend $200 or even less to get a legal OS.

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By The Man

edited Oct 6, 2006 - 8:42 AM

"Has Apple made enough money on IPODs, so they should be cheaper"

that would be "hasn't"

and they are cheaper. get a clue.

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By wtb56

posted Oct 11, 2006 - 1:03 PM

the only ones that are "cheaper" are older models. Try to keep it civil....

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By Silentmaster101

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 8:11 AM

heh they thing is everyone in this country believes they are entitled to everything. and imagine the actuall profit from the os after you pay the thousands of employees and then all the legal hoops they have to jump through just to put out an operating system.

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By The Man

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 8:35 AM

no, just entitled to free thought and ideas.

the rest of your comment kinda made me laugh though.

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By tigger4046

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 7:05 AM

There will always be a work around just like before. A group of hackers / crackers put up a slew of software to remove wpa inside of safemode using a strange method of removal. This included up to activating by method of phone and type out random numbers. MS immediately took action and released a security update on the wpa server looking for this action to force the user to activate. The question of the day, did it work? Unless extra precautions have been taken a line of code is all that will be needed for someone or some group to replicate the process as they did in the XP enviroment And since XP is the former Whistler, and Vista is formely known as Long Horn. Who's to know how the following release of Black Comb which will keep it's name so far will do. Sadly I will not be able to download or purchase Vista as it requires to much processing power. Maybe in the future.

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By foxfyre

edited Oct 6, 2006 - 6:46 AM

Yeah, we know - NO ONE is going to get Vista because of the need to activate the software - just like no one bought XP because of the need to activate it.

And everyone is going to run to Linux - especially in the Enterprise market - as if there are sufficient applications available for the desktop that are compatible with the legacy data and resources that must be dealt with...as well as 'easy' communication between Windows and Linux platforms! Can you say you LIKE Hummingbird Exceed????

If any of what so many say were true, they would be running to the Mac with its inherent Windows file compatibility in OSX! Yet most abhore that idea!

So sure you are...
Talk talk talk...
The show includes everything but laying on the ground and kicking and screaming.

Besides, for the vast majority on this site, you are not in a position to determine nor to control what OS you will deal with in an enterprise environment anyway!

The fact is, the PC MS market is so fragmented with the Windows user base distributed over versions of Windows dating back to 3.1 that the real impact will be on the inability of MS to stimulate a compelling reason to stimulate widespread deployment of products such as the new Office, as it requires the new OS. MS will be looking at an installed userbase for Vista of 15-20% after a 1-2 year period as many hold off due to product cost and limitations imposed by machine resource & compatibility issues.

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By wtb56

posted Oct 11, 2006 - 1:06 PM

Amen, my users have little say in what OS runs on their PCs.

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By x-ray

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 5:27 AM

as long toy can code, you can crack..... nothing more..

IF you have the pussiblity, why dont do it

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By hairykebab

edited Oct 6, 2006 - 4:04 AM

Microsuck can dream about keeping me from using a pirated Windows. I will never pay for their pirated lines of codes. When Microsuck stop using pirated codes in their OS then i stop using pirated Windows ! Vista ? Never i install that crap. I am more in to try some Linux - or even maybe Mac, but NOT Vista ! Anyway, the same day Microsuck release Vista, the same day the "piracy protection" will be cracked !

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By wtb56

posted Oct 11, 2006 - 1:07 PM

Once again the day will come when you will find out you're not quite as smart as you think you are. You'll get caught eventually and by then we will have learned to put criminals like you in jail or if you're too young, time out :)

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By marrix

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 8:45 AM

Hairykebab,
They do not use pirated code. Indeed, the original code is still owned by IBM, and licensed to MS. There is an earlier thread on this board about the recent expiry date of their current lease, and what would transpire if it was not renewed.
Now, notwithstanding that MS does not invent anything themselves, other than marketing strategies that encourage us and manufacturers to continually upgrade, their ability to re-engineer apps copyrighted to others' and make money from it. This is the way it should be, and I will argue & defend their right to do so as long as I vote Republican.

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By Silentmaster101

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 8:15 AM

yet you wont actually be doing any of the work now will you? you wont crack it yourself, just like you wont pay for it, or even help make it. lets face it you are a leech. society as a whole would be better off if you jumped off a high cliff onto some pointy rocks.

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By Babylon2x

edited Oct 6, 2006 - 3:12 AM

I'm one of these lucky people who has to phone up every time I want to activate Windows, mostly as I've reinstalled over a dozen times. Of course, some might ask 'Why?' but I'm in the habit of trying endless software, and too lazy to take an image of my system to restore to. I find just throwing in the Windows CD and reinstalling to be less hassle. It's ironic that laziness now means I have to spend a lot more time doing everything, like activating :)

Still, none of that goes against the licensing. There's no rule that says "if you reinstall too many times on the same hardware, we will be a pain in the a** and distrust you". And yes, I am using the same hardware my OEM copy of Windows came with.

Rant aside, I guess I might finally bite the bullet and start using Linux, or FreeBSD. I miss the hassle free day of a serial code, installing, and bam, done! I just hope emulation gets to the stage all my favourite apps, classic games can work via emulation without too much hassle.

It's times like these you realize Windows really does have an irongrip on the market. It's only for the reason of industry standard applications (like photoshop), PC games, and lack of drivers for other OSes which stops me moving away from Windows. Yup, just about everything of importance for my daily computer life.

As some final food for thought, I can see Microsoft doing the same thing as they do with XP. Ie, if you get a new motherboard, you are supposed to get a whole new copy of XP. And of course they'll try and tell us all we're buying a 'license' and not the 'software'. It's sad that these big corperations are allowed to slowly take away our rights. A quote for you all, which should mean what MS are trying with 'licenses' would never stand in a court of law yet they and many others continue to be allowed to do it - completely unchallenged.

'Reselling the original software. Licenses often say that the buyer does not buy the software but instead pays for the right to use the software. In the US, the first-sale doctrine, Softman v. Adobe [1] and Novell, Inc. v. CPU Distrib., Inc. ruled that software sales are purchases, not licenses, and resale, including unbundling, is lawful regardless of a contractual prohibition. The reasoning in Softman v. Adobe suggests that resale of student licensed versions, provided they are accurately described as such, is also not infringing.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/...nfringement_of_software

I wish the laws would get reformed. Such as, ensuring no company is allowed to use this "you are buying a license" bullcrap when you really -are- buying the software. Yea, it's laughable thinking such a useful change for us poor, completely screwed over, consumers would ever happen. I'll just walk back into fantasy land.

Oh... and as I seem to have ranted more about general Microsoft and business practices - no I don't care if they want to lock out pirates. I do care about the sad reality that in their attempts to lock out pirates - and again, is true for many companies - legit people can also get a raw deal. The poster below is a fine example, changing certain hardware means reactivation or land you needing to buy a new 'license'? I mean -come on-, it's ridiculous.

I know, it's too late now. The majority of the world sat back, beautifully ignorant, and now we're here. It's delightful[/sarcasm] :)

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By marrix

edited Oct 6, 2006 - 9:15 AM

Babylon2x,
I do a reformat on my 2 notebooks about every 10 days, yep that's right. What I recently learned to do was create silent installers' (many thanks to msfn.org), and one D Petrie & The Elder Geek . Can now do a full reinstall in about 20 minutes. These include all my necessary apps slipstreamed, each one is different due to the purposes for which I use the particular notebook. Even include my serial, registration details & language (only use 2 US and another version of English), time zone etc.
To get to me point eventually, it still treats the new install as a pirate, then I have 2 options, can run remove WGA or activate online. I pay a certain amount of $$'s each year to be an MS partner, ergo have no problems activating.
Usually choose the latter, yet sometimes just to be a smarty I might have a jellybean.

Had to edit, another issue I forgot to mention was, does anyone here recall the original issues raised in respect of licensing when you have a dual core processor, which most here would now have.
There were several threads pertinent to the premise that Acrobat, MS, Symantec & or's were going to charge twice if your pc/notebook had 2 processors.
Sorry, my friends' should not have raised this, the devils should not have been reminded.

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By Babylon2x

posted Oct 7, 2006 - 7:56 AM

I can't activate online, which was my point. My license code -is- legal but it doesn't work with online activation, so I have to go through the phone validation process, talk to an adviser, all that hassle. I paid enough for my copies of XP, I'm not buying more or giving MS extra money because their online activation system doesn't seem to like my perfectly valid serial code anymore.

It's important to note I was referencing to WPA vs WGA, which do differ in their usages though the overall intention of them both leads us to the same place.

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By The Man

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 8:54 AM

nice post
:-)

"In the US, the first-sale doctrine, Softman v. Adobe [1] and Novell, Inc. v. CPU Distrib., Inc. ruled that software sales are purchases, not licenses, and resale, including unbundling, is lawful regardless of a contractual prohibition."

i hope more people become aware of this and stand up for their rights.
MS is not the lawmaker in regards to the uses of computer software, their own or others.

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By Babylon2x

posted Oct 7, 2006 - 7:58 AM

If only more people would notice... sadly it seems to pass people by, so the chances are MS and many others (Symantec, for example) will continue to write software agreements how they like. I can see us having 'licenses' for many years to come, until they've wormed their way into goverment pockets and changed the law so it really will be how it stands.

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By glock__17

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 2:28 AM

If Microsoft wants to protect their investment fine, all power to them. I’m willing to purchase and activate it only if the activation process is simple, available online and allows me to install it on a single machine. If I later upgrade my machine, ie change the hardware components – CPU, Video card MB or whatever, the ability to re-install and activate it MUST be possible, unlike XP which treated subsequent installs as a new machine, resulting in activation failure. Corporate Volume license got around this and has served me well the last 5 years… Hopfully MS improves flow of activation, if it is a nuisance again a hack/workaround/ some form of volume license edition etc etc will be the solution… yet again.

Price though is not too bad.

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By Floodland

edited Oct 5, 2006 - 11:37 PM

Haha.. Please read the story again: Every protection "feature" already exist. Every single one. Micro$oft marketing is great, but don't believe a single word of it.
Nothing new under the sun. Another M$ OS release that you'll need to wait some years to install because RTM will suck, as every release from Windows 3.0:
3.0? No, only 3.11 was barely usable
95? Nothing until 95SR2 worked.
98? Not until 98SE
ME? It never worked (no second release)
2000? Not worked until SP2
XP? Infect itself in less than 1 minute online if not with SP2 or a firewall, and even with a good firewall is a security nightmare with the terrible IE incrusted in the kernel.

Don't buy a Microsoft OS in their first release, they finish the product with YOUR money, and they have enough money, time and resources to build a decent, not crippled or terrible bloated OS...
Ok, maybe I'm a idealist, but I'm going to wait for Google OS, or a decent Apple hardware to use Mac OS X.

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By Murphmeister

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 11:13 PM

"Boo hoo, Microsoft won't let me steal their software. Someone call the waaambulance."

Amen

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By excelon2005

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 10:46 PM

Wow... that is really making SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop a lot more competitive! Seriously, at the rate of $399 for the Ultimate Editon (which doesn't include Office), I could have one copy of SLED supported for six years and still have money to blow!

What's more is that activation is permanent! I think someone needs to "Get the Facts."

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By malcolmsuperstar

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 10:45 PM

The pieces are apart. Its a matter of direction putting the puzzle the way the Astalavista teams see fit.

As to Windows update & Windows Genuine Validation, in the pirate version, it will be disable taking you to a Kickme.to website,for its upgrades and up to date patches. thanx to Anna RUForce, Fosi and his team.

Its MS team and its group of companies Vs The Astalavista World Undergound of Handlers.

Always ahead

2007 Let the games begin!

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By ggvrsn

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 10:36 PM

Microsoft cannot afford to clamp down a 100% on the pirates. Think about it, 80% of all Desktop OSes before Windows XP in most of the european countries and South Asia are all pirated. If MS put its foot down fully, then it would lose its market share and we all know that MS hates to be out of the lime light.
Fact: Windows 98 and Windows 2000 are is the most pirated Windows Copy yet.
-GGR

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By Skyfrog

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 10:18 PM

Boo hoo, Microsoft won't let me steal their software. Someone call the waaambulance.

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By fewt

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 8:25 PM

Damn it, I guess I'll go back to Linux again.

Thanks Microsoft, I was just starting to like Windows again. (Yes, I buy 100% of my software)

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By 9i08

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 7:00 PM

if its makeable its breakable

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By simnov

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 6:45 PM

lol vista will be cracked in one day

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By GCoder

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 5:53 PM

Arrrrrr, I be a swashbuklin' linux/unix pirate too!

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By ZenWarrior

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 5:23 PM

Great, I'll be called a thief again, although all my Micro$uck software is entirely legal. I've not been "genuinely advantaged" for two months now--after two years of having no problems with completely legit software.

Thanks for all the future troubles, Macro$suck. I guess it's not so bad when you also don't offer anything close to resembling customer support.

And again, Microsoft, one of your sales reps cheated me ten years ago. I have not forgotten, and will not forget your dirty trick to weasel a much-needed personal introduction from me. And you wonder why you're rated the most distrusted firm in all business surveys? Duh! Try not cheating people.

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By plague201

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 5:55 PM

Zen, from Rancho Cucamonga?

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By Dickens Cider

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 3:37 PM

Well when you make something idiot proof, they WILL make a better idiot....

Nothing is unhackable and by announcing that it will be is just slapping the hacking community with a gauntlet. Watch what happen now.....

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By LegalBeagle

edited Oct 5, 2006 - 3:17 PM

How funny that Microsoft have decided to do this at a time when it's easier than ever for a user to switch to Linux, and Apple sales are on the increase.

I've tested RC1 and was hugely dissapointed, especially with the pricetags they're discussing.I am now finally back on XP with Aero, widgets etc. Certainly won't pay much for Vista and will probably migrate to another OS. Bye Bye Microsoft

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By imafurby

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 2:50 PM

Aaaargh! Microsoft damn thee, but I'd rather walk the plank than switch to Linux.

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By tipsyboy

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 2:17 PM

Oh - and who needs "Vista" anyway . . .

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By drummerboy627

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 6:58 PM

i agree. i'm perfectly content with XP and will continue to use it after Vista is launched.

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By Bobbitchin

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 2:14 PM

"The Profit Protection Platform has been under development for several years,"

Well I guess XP is the last OS I will ever buy from Micro$oft. I certainly can not afford to pay $300 a pop for all the computers in our household.

Thanks for pricing my family out of the market M$!

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By tipsyboy

edited Oct 5, 2006 - 2:39 PM

Well, man - this is THE point.

They're doing this for a long time now without even giving one single thought about the underdogs - not really, cause BG giving away a lot of money has nothing to do with any consideration for prices by the income. Just take a look for WHAT his money is used . . .

The puritans knew that "Wealth obliges.", which simply meant "if your're a real rich one, you are obliged to those who are poor". This attitude has been lost in a world that gives out mottos like "miserliness is cool".

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By evolution76

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 2:01 PM

It just a matter of time before you I will get a hack verison......Key word..."time"

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By The Man

edited Oct 5, 2006 - 2:24 PM

" This represented some $35 billion in lost revenue for the software industry."

where did that money go?
that's right, it wouldn't have been spent in the first place.
there was no money lost, MS just had hurt feelings because people were using windows without their ok.

has MS not made enough money on windows xp?
do they have to sensationalize the fact that software can be pirated?
how much time and money and real product creation WAS lost creating this anti-piracy initiative?
how much money is GOING to be lost taking in costomer problems and complaints regarding this Initiative?
is this why Vista is so un-sensational?

seems like more money spent on a useless and lost cause.

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By Silentmaster101

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 8:24 AM

you see thats the funny thing, microsoft makes more money from the pirates then from the legal users. when they get their hands on pirates they ring them for every penny, instead of just a few hundred. they are just making pirates easier to catch, thus increasing profit.

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By honest doug

edited Oct 5, 2006 - 12:30 PM

WOW!! Another great Microsoft advertising campaign to a captive audience.

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By Scotch Moose

edited Oct 5, 2006 - 10:30 AM

Vista will be like a gucci handbag. You can spend silly money to have the real thing and be very impressed with yourself or be like me and prefer utility to bling.

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By Grazer

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 1:11 PM

I would prefer a bag that holds something without me having to stitch it together myself.

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By Scotch Moose

posted Oct 6, 2006 - 9:48 AM

If you can't cook at least there is take-out.

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By joeshmoe7

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 9:49 AM

lock pirates out of an MS-OS....

man i almost spilled my coffee on that one!

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By anmol.2k4

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 9:10 AM

Aaaaaah im happy that i switched over to dark side to Oooo booon toooo
Easy as very very easy to use.
Never been happier.
Flexibility is amazing.
No DRM crap or copyrighted s*** everything is free.
Bye windows bye, you were good but there is somebody better.

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By DEFCON_360

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 6:51 AM

Avoid Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows XP Home with Service Pack SP1a and SP2, Microsoft Windows Professional with SP1a and and SP2 SP2...

If you follow the directions above you computer run more stable and the performance will increase dramatically...

Install ZoneAlarm Free to protect your computer from incoming and outgoing internet traffic...

Stop Using Internet Explorer 6 and 7. Download Mozilla Firefox...

If you can find it purchase: Microsoft Windows Professional with SP1. This version of Windows is 150 times faster than Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows XP Home with Service Pack SP1a and SP2, Microsoft Windows Professional with SP1a and and SP2 SP2.

As for security, I have never experienced a security risk with Microsoft Windows Professional with SP1. I have been using this version of Microsoft Windows Professional with SP1 for the last 4 years. It is more stable and the performance and speed is equivalent to that of Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional SP4.

Also when Microsoft Windows Professional with SP1 is installed on a computer, there are only 18 proceeses running by default after the installation has been completed. Compare that to Microsoft Windows Professional with SP2 which has 25 to 40 processes running by default after the installation has been completed.

What the world needs to understand is that: The more code Microsoft adds to Windows, the slower Windows runs. Aoid Vista! Microsoft Vista will be the biggest failure Microsft has ever encountered. If, possible: stick with Microsft Windows XP Professional SP1. Never install Service Pack 1a and SP2. I have been running Microsft Windows XP Professional SP1 for the last 4 years and have never experience any problems with a security risk. Plus it is 150 times faster than SP2.

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By hondaman

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 2:17 PM

Do you have any idea how ownable your computer is w/o sp2?

Clearly you dont.

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By AlanRivaldo

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 1:19 PM

What the heck is "Microsoft Windows Professional"? I've never heard of it.

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By DEFCON_360

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 3:35 PM

My mistake, I mean Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP1.

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By CMSTech

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 12:51 PM

How many times do you feel the need to post your ignorant BS?

Kindly return to your bomb shelter...

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By DEFCON_360

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 3:36 PM

**** OFF... WE Know Who The True Geek Is...

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By fewt

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 8:27 PM

Yep, me.

Thanks for the confirmation.

heh

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By trmfp

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 8:38 AM

Dumb, Da Dumb Dumb Dumb!

Vista was built from scratch and is not an extension of XP.

It is the dinosaurs in our industry that is ruining it, not Microsoft. Quit attacking the easy target and learn some new software once in a while. You might like it.

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By dhjdhj

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 1:59 PM

Huh - I didn't know that - I thought it was just XP 1.1

(XP = Windows 2000 1.1)
(Windows 2000 = NT 4 1.1)

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By The Man

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 1:29 PM

"Vista was built from scratch and is not an extension of XP."

and who told you this?
your computer geek buddy over coffee?

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By Scotch Moose

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 10:39 AM

"Vista was built from scratch and is not an extension of XP. "

They could find nothing worth keeping?

Never trust the programmer who says it needs a complete re-write.

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By drumcat

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 12:15 PM

Vista was NOT built from scratch. End of story.

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By radioactive21

edited Oct 5, 2006 - 6:14 AM

they will bend to corporations.

"It would also make widely distributed volume-license product keys -- traditionally supplied to corporations -- harder to use."

Admins that have to handle large number of upgrades arent gona be happy. Microsoft will fold to these companies, and in fact make it just as easy or more easy.

Microsoft wants fast adoptation of Vista, they will bend their own words to acheive it.

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By The Man

edited Oct 5, 2006 - 1:33 PM

sorta tell the public one thing, and do another.
sounds about right.
MS seems good at distraction tactics, make em seem more honorable that way.

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By bsf

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 5:39 AM

hmm... I mean the idea's right I guess.
Since most of the corporate people won't use those fancy interface.

However, I do wonder how long it'd take to crack those stuffs..
maybe a week? or two weeks? before release?

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By Galway

edited Oct 5, 2006 - 5:23 AM

Vista is the OS that will change PC's fundementally forever and for all the wrong reasons. Trouble is everyone thinks they know how to use a PC, when in fact they know the bare minimum that allows them to turn it on tinker a little. The amount of times I goto people with computers and find that they are running XP without SP2, running XP with a dodgy key and cant do windows updates, running p2p apps to get dodgy copies of films, music and apps.

You cant blame MS for wanting to earn money out of there business of software, neither can you blame them for there success.

If the Vista train makes it very hard to keep running without a valid activated key then XP will remain the OS of choise for the people not prepaired to buy licenced copies of there software. Sure Vista will be hacked, patched and such, but i can see now its going to be a upwards struggle to keep it going, and in the end most people will find it just too much of a hastle to maintain.

I can see linux being a big winner in the next few years, and to be honest after installing ubuntu on my spare home machine i can see its appeal. But its not windows, and I still prefer XP, but its growing on me, and with more people jumping to it will get better im sure.

It sure is a good moment in computing time and im looking forward to it unfolding.

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By The Man

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 1:37 PM

" i can see now its going to be a upwards struggle to keep it going"

it always has been.
Vista will change nothing except peoples view on MS and their ability to make a decent OS.

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By Galway

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 3:26 PM

no it hasnt ... i personally am running a licienced version. But I know plenty of people using a pirated version of XP, using keygened or someone elses key. And yes, they all update on the MS sites.

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By DEFCON_360

edited Oct 5, 2006 - 3:43 AM

What the world needs to understand is that: The more code Microsoft adds to Windows, the slower Windows runs. Aviod Vista! Microsoft Vista will be the biggest failure Microsft has ever encountered. If, possible: stick with Microsft Windows XP Professional SP1. Never install Service Pack 1a and SP2. I have been running Microsft Windows XP Professional SP1 for the last 4 years and have never experience any problems with a security risk. Plus it is 150 times faster than SP2.

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By templar™

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 5:40 AM

My Win XP Pro SP2 is as zippy as can be. I can't imagine any previous version of Windows XP running any faster. And, when using hibernate, it starts up/shuts down in less than 10 seconds.

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By DEFCON_360

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 6:55 AM

This is Total Impossible. There is no version of Windows available that starts up and shuts down in 10 seconds. Unless you have a version of Windows that Microsoft and the World doesn't no about.

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By CMSTech

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 12:50 PM

If you would have READ his reply instead of spouting your ignorant BS you would have seen that he said "using hibernate".

And honestly, once you get past the BIOS post screens, you can make Windows XP SP2 boot pretty darn quickly, you just have to tweak it.

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By Pdj79

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 8:46 AM

My copy of Windows Media Center 2005 w/ SP2 running on my Dell Inspiron E1505 notebook can enter and return from hibernation in 12 seconds. For booting, it takes about 30.

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By techcafe

edited Oct 5, 2006 - 2:47 AM

the day i have to pay for windows is the day i switch to linux... vista may be pretty, but still, it's like putting lipstick on a pig... windows is still windoze, and real pigs are smarter

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By The Man

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 1:40 PM

"it's like putting lipstick on a pig... "

lmao

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By ZenWarrior

posted Oct 4, 2006 - 10:42 PM

Already transitioning to Linux here because of just this sort of news. Windows should be nothing more than an "as-needed" running on an old computer by the time Vista is prime time.

Good riddance, Microsoft. If you were a person, you'd be a whining, fat, ugly, and expensive date.

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By techcafe

posted Oct 5, 2006 - 2:55 AM

MS 'whining, fat, ugly and expensive date' LMAO... couldn't have said it any better

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By GS5

posted Oct 4, 2006 - 7:21 PM

From release time to cracked time I'll give vista 48 to 72 hours.

Those hackers and crackers sure love good challenge.

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