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Microsoft's 'trust' chief steers his company back toward Trusted model

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

April 14, 2008, 5:24 PM

The first time Microsoft launched a Trustworthy Computing initiative, it was met with skepticism, especially with the way Bill Gates played it up. But six years later, a key Microsoft executive suggests it may be time to revisit the subject.

In a surprisingly frank white paper from the man in charge of Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing strategy, released this morning, Corporate Vice President Scott Charney writes that his company's own first two major initiatives toward providing greater security for software and Internet users fell short of their intended goals, and that a third initiative just now getting under way may still fail to completely address the problem of ensuring consumer safety and privacy.

A former US Justice Dept. official before joining Microsoft, Charney writes in "Establishing End-to-end Trust" (PDF available here) that a key goal of trustworthy computing is still to reliably authenticate users and the companies they represent, especially in business transactions. But the rapidly evolving nature of social computing, coupled with the curious requirement among consumers for not just privacy but anonymity, has thrown the biggest monkey wrench into the system.

"Ensuring that people can be identified raises the most complex social, political, and economic issues, with the No. 1 issue being privacy," Charney writes. "The concern is twofold: (1) If authenticated identity is required to engage in Internet activity, anonymity and the benefits that anonymity provides, will be reduced; and (2) authenticated identifiers may be aggregated and analyzed, thus facilitating profiling."

Identification is critical in the Trusted Computing model that Charney represents and promotes, because every computing transaction in this model, whether on the Internet or locally, must take place between either people or components that can identify themselves, and whose stated identities can pass a reasonable challenge. In a hypothetical world where every component does identify itself according to protocol, it can be assumed that the first task of a malicious user will be to bypass the system of identification, perhaps through spoofing someone or something else, and perhaps by overriding that particular step.

Over the last decade, Microsoft has had to play catch-up in this department, mainly because the distributed computing model it wanted to deploy first over the network -- the Component Object Model -- failed to include any rigorous method of authentication. Since then, the company has moved in stages toward more thoughtful practices, but even the act of migration has exposed some vulnerabilities which malicious users cannot resist the temptation to exploit.

Microsoft's first plausible initiative in this regard, Charney writes, was its "Secure by Design" principle, the current version of which is called SD3. The idea there was to stop producing software whose most exploitable features were turned on by default.


Microsoft Corporate Vice President Scott Charney
Microsoft Corporate Vice President Scott Charney
"There was, in fact, nothing wrong with this strategy as a foundation, and SD3 remains important today," Charney wrote. "The problem with SD3 lies in its inherent limitations. Even if products are engineered to be 'Secure by Design' and vulnerability counts continue to drop, it is indisputable that the number of vulnerabilities in large and complex products (several of which are likely to be installed on a single system) cannot be reduced to zero in the foreseeable future. 'Secure by Default' is inherently limited because the attack surface can only be reduced, not eliminated, and features are created precisely because a broad set of users need the feature activated. Similarly, many legacy software applications require the user to run as 'admin,' thus undermining some of the intended security benefits of running as a standard user."

In addition, he added, the practice of releasing patches in regular batches (with a nod to Dr. Seuss) actually helped spawn a cottage industry in reverse-engineering. The patches actually provide a road map to the problem, when a malicious user holds them up to a mirror.

So Microsoft moved on to its second initiative, "Defense-in-Depth." That had a lot to do with strengthening Windows' firewalls and turning off more features by default. But after users have seen all those warnings for the umpteenth time, Charney writes, "it remains true that users will click on malicious attachments sent to them from unknown sources."

And while it's nice to have reduced the attack surface on the surface by turning off volatile features by default, he notes that the reason those features were developed in the first place is so that they could be turned on. So just the off switch isn't enough.

What Charney advocates as a next course of action for Microsoft is a move back toward a bolder, more daring vision of security that it backed away from when "Secure by Design" was launched: a vision that incorporates more of the Trusted Computing principles that Chairman Bill Gates first advocated back in early 2002. Those measures were met with widespread skepticism as the whole notion of "Trusted" or "Trustworthy Computing" coupled with the Microsoft brand sparked notions of Big Brother, or of turning over control of users' hard drives to Hollywood studios. Eventually the negative publicity was so bad that its former Trusted Platform partner Intel steered clear of Microsoft's strategy in 2006.

In light of the less-than-complete objectives of Microsoft's first two public initiatives, though, a third one dedicated to the Trusted Platform may be met more positively today, Charney implies. But the biggest issue blocking that from happening now isn't the fear of Big Brother or DRM, he believes, but the Internet-using public's simultaneous insistence upon anonymity, privacy, and openness. Not all three may absolutely coexist, he suggests.

However, in a curious argument, he proposes that anonymity in the social sense may be completely impossible if there were no infrastructural means of securely identifying the anonymous party, in order to help guarantee that anonymity.

As Scott Charney writes, "Clearly, this approach will not satisfy those who see the Internet's anonymity as the ultimate protector of privacy. This may particularly be true in those cases where anonymity promotes and protects unpopular speech. But the fact remains that if we hope to reduce crime and protect privacy, we need to give users the ability to know with whom they are dealing (if they so choose) and law enforcement the capability to find bad actors.

"It is also important to remember," he continues, "that there are multiple privacy interests at stake here; for example, in the e-mail context it is not just the sender of a communication who may have a privacy interest, but the recipient may wish to be left alone. Indeed, any regime should not only seek to provide greater authentication to those that want to provide it or consume it, but also provide anonymity for those who wish to engage in anonymous activities. Users should be able to choose to send anonymous communications, and users should be able to choose to receive mail only from known sources."

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By tscar13

posted Apr 16, 2008 - 2:48 PM

Sorry it took so long but I had things to get done.
The site is up and running: www.----------.com
Ihave left the middle blank but I think that those few here with some intelligence can figure out by looking at my comments what goes in there.

First of all, the site is clean-no viruses etc..
Second, there are two formats;
1) Shows information on specific individuals but takes this form
First name, first initial of last name
middle 2 # of SS#
state you live in if the U.S.
Occupation if you work
School if you go to school
OS system
Browsers used. here I found some using more than one
Age- unless under 18

@nd format
Betanews
Source of all revenue streams flowing to the operators of this site.
Source of all revenue for the writers of this site.

So PC laugh but I included your last name and where you work and that also includes Term.

The purpose of this is not to steal info but to prove a point that no OS or Browser is safe and some of you are pretty ignorant of that fact especially Apple and open source fanatics.

As I said before I retired and lived in Alaska and that should give you a clue as to my former occupation. So believe or not believe that is your choice but figuring out the middle part is the 2nd part of your challenge and I think most will fail though in my posts here, the answer is staring you in the face.

Have a dream-like day and, if you want, live in denial. The site will stay up for 1 month and then be taken down. Anyone that breaks the code and proves it here by giving certain info from the site, your name will be removed. Otherwise it stays on the site. :)

Let this be a lesson to everyone that no OS or browser, including my own, is ever completely safe and only an idiot would think otherwise. Any system can be broken into and that is what is sad about our country- We think we are safe but it is fairly easy to brong the country to a standstill because of the stupidity of our leaders. Whether it's terrorists or a country like China or Russia doesn't matter.

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By terminalx

edited Apr 16, 2008 - 4:04 PM

You are an eskimo?

Since you are masking the site, no one is going to care or try to guess...

You havent' provent anything, other then you need to find a life, fast.

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By PC_Tool

edited Apr 16, 2008 - 5:26 PM

*yawn*

Oh, btw... Alaska?

Try google: tscar13 - Indianapolis, Indiana. Football fan, apparently. Was full of himself on that site as well.

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By tscar13

edited Apr 15, 2008 - 8:32 PM

I knew Betanews would act and they have by deleting free speech. Well, I am in the process of setting up a site with all the info on betanews revenue and their writers and pc tool.:)

Delete that betanews. The site should be ready by around 10:00am u.s. time.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 16, 2008 - 2:08 PM

1:07 PM CST...

Don't keep us in suspense, man, we're all shaking with anticipation.

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By tscar13

posted Apr 16, 2008 - 5:27 PM

PC? just when I think I've seen the bottom of what an ignorant piece of slob you are, you prove me wrong. The network that I am routing through, the final one is not CST You Dumbsh** and people here actually think you are important. That says a lot.

Since Betanews has some things to hide I have sent to the DOJ the info so sorry Betanews folks, your a** is going to be bending over a lot.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 15, 2008 - 11:10 PM

You threatened to hack the site. Be happy they didn't press charges.

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By tscar13

edited Apr 16, 2008 - 5:18 PM

let them.the people I know are higher on the food chain than anyone Betanews knows or you do. So go ahead. be my Guest. And be careful Term and PC, If you keep up with the comments I will do other things with your Info. Take that to your local FBI and see how far you get. They will run into a brick wall. Betanews is to chicken to do anything because they have things to hide and both of you do too.:)
Also I am routing the message through a certain server:)

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By terminalx

edited Apr 15, 2008 - 8:39 PM

You do realize what you are saying in a public forum is illegal, you can't be that stupid...

The same methods you state you can use, they can probably use back at you and might already have.

They are legally allowed, you not so much.

Your comments are personal attacks hence why they were deleted, they could care less at your hacking skills.

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By tscar13

edited Apr 15, 2008 - 9:40 PM

It's interesting all the comments deleted that weren't an attack and one only has to look at PC's comments to see Betanews true intent. And the DOJ will be interested in some of the info on Betanews finances.:)

Sleep well..I've got to get this site up and running.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 15, 2008 - 11:16 PM

only has to look at PC's comments to see Betanews true intent

Logic, common sense, discussion, and a sense of humor?

Glad you figured that out. Now if you could only figure out how not to be a victim on the "Greater Internet ****wad Theory".

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/

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By tscar13

edited Apr 15, 2008 - 8:39 PM

First the challenge works both ways. Anyone is free to try and compromise my system. Think of this as a test of OS and Browsers. Besides I know people higher up on the food chain than anyone here or at Betanews does so I'm not worried.

The method i am using can't be track and I won't say why. All of you can try and figure it out.

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By terminalx

posted Apr 15, 2008 - 8:44 PM

Right, some super hacker is on a blog site that the rest of the world could care less about...so scary...

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By tscar13

posted Apr 15, 2008 - 9:28 PM

Laughing ..I'm not a super-hacker though I do know some but I also know the vulnerabilities of OS and browsers. I also know ways around systems through my previous occupation. Nothing super just plain old legwork..find the vulnerable area and exploit it..nothing super in that and I also don't use the info for financial gain.

So Term feel secure but tomorrow (u.s. time) your info will be included on the site. I'll will say that I'll only post enough to prove my point about the owners of Betanews and their writers and certain people on this site. Not enough info to be used against you by someone with less scruples than me.

So never think of me as some super hacker just someone smart enough to know where to look and not dumb enough to think that I am invulnerable.:) so I always play it safe and your info along with Pc's is safe.

Betanews is a different case. The time has come to shine a light on where their money comes from and where the writers get their money from and that will be posted and that's not illegal unless Betanews has something to hide.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 15, 2008 - 11:20 PM

Can't wait.

I bet I turn out to be a 13 year old girl from conneticut and Term gets to be a 46 yr old loser living in a basement with his Mom.

Oh, wait...we've got those already thanks to El Dingo and zridling.

Really, the worst you could do is *try* to paint us as worse off than those losers. Good luck, I wouldn't wish such a chore on anyone.

Cheers. Enjoy your cry for attention. I'll leave the rest between you and the BN staff (and perhaps their legal counsel?)

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By tscar13

posted Apr 16, 2008 - 6:30 PM

Oh PC you show such ignorance for someone who thinks they're intelligent. Betanews won't do a thing because they and their writers have been receiving money under the table and not reporting it to the IRS. So, instead of them going to the FBI, the IRS and DOJ will be coming for them.

But I dare anyone to go to the police and see how far you get.

PC? you still don't get it.

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By jofin

posted Apr 16, 2008 - 6:19 AM

Well I just had to say that I think that PC_Tool is an absolutely splendid fellow. The absolute cream of the world. I promise that as soon as I get this straightjacket off and the mind blowing drugs are flushed from my system I will give him a big kiss. If you believe that you will believe anything. I really think he is a grade 1 twat !

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 16, 2008 - 9:09 AM

A troll thinks I'm a twat?

*gasp*

*shock*

*horror*

Oh, wait...that's exactly the way it should be.

*shrug*

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By SGD

posted Apr 16, 2008 - 10:32 AM

Amazing when someone talks sense they get attacked but when they talk out their ars it should be gospel. Keep up the great work tool.

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By sagum

posted Apr 15, 2008 - 11:16 AM

How about they fix things they already have before trying to re-introduce more lame technology that'll only drive yet more people away from Windows.

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By preinterpost

posted Apr 15, 2008 - 12:27 PM

What's broken?

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By terminalx

posted Apr 15, 2008 - 8:32 PM

He doesn't realize that MS is more then one venture and not every single environment in Redmond works on the OS.

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By Scotch Moose

posted Apr 15, 2008 - 10:36 AM

Microsoft has a too much history and corporate culture to overcome before people will want to trust them with their identification.

Once again Microsoft should give up trying to own the imaginary property and implement something unrestricted and freely available like Open-Id.

The users want complete control over their on-line identities and personal information. If you have a centralized identification system it will just be a matter of time before it is misused or cracked.

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By preinterpost

posted Apr 15, 2008 - 12:31 PM

I don't think the average consumer is under the impression MSFT abused their trust plus looking at Sony I don't think people care too much in any case...

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By xyzcb1

posted Apr 15, 2008 - 11:23 AM

"The users want complete control over their on-line identities and personal information. If you have a centralized identification system it will just be a matter of time before it is misused or cracked."

Go tell Google about it. I bet they have all your search history as well as email.

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By Bobbitchin

posted Apr 14, 2008 - 11:46 PM

I don't trust them.

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By pitdingo2

posted Apr 14, 2008 - 7:00 PM

"trust" and M$ in the same sentence. Is it April 1'st again?

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 14, 2008 - 11:57 PM

BWAAAHAHAHAAAAAaa!!!!1111oneone

Sorry. It's just that no-one seems to laugh at your stupid little jokes anymore. Thought I'd do you a solid to make your day a bit brighter.

Have a good one!

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By dvferret

posted Apr 15, 2008 - 11:33 AM

lol. nice.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Apr 14, 2008 - 8:43 PM

Microsoft's attitude to openness has been getting much better of late.

Vista and IE 7 were started before the company had a radical overhaul of strategy and suffered because of this.

Windows 7 and IE 8 should be a lot better.

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By TomA102210

posted Apr 14, 2008 - 8:14 PM

Yep, "trust and" MS in the same sentence. Trolls like you love to use sound bites, play a lot of theatre and drama and generally put down a company whose software you probably don't even use.

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By SGD

posted Apr 14, 2008 - 7:59 PM

And the troll has entered the room.

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By psycros

posted Apr 14, 2008 - 5:52 PM

The only way to stop hackers is to change the very architecture of the Internet. With a modicum of know-how, its still very easy to obtain all the addresses of every user on a mail server. Insistence on full backward compatibility with zero downtime for enterprise data will insure that the same old exploits will keep on being effective. The IT security industry knows this and couldn't be happier. They have no interest in changing the foundations of IP networking, because any move to a more secure architecture won't benefit them exclusively. In fact, a more secure Internet would severely hurt the Symantecs and Trend Micros of the world. This is the fundamental problem with capitalism - unless it makes money for somebody, it ain't gonna happen.

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By PC_Tool

posted Apr 14, 2008 - 11:54 PM

The only way to stop hackers is to change the very architecture of the Internet. With a modicum of know-how, its still very easy to obtain all the addresses of every user on a mail server.

The internet was built without a clue as to what it would become. How could they have known it would explode like this?

...and now that it has, we can't really just swoop in and change everything. The cost, effort, time, and changes (which most are resistant to) would never go over with the public unless there were some *major* internet disaster.

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