Bummer! I REALLY wanted a clone Mail app, a porn comic strip and a farting machine on my iPhone! :(

This shouldn't surprise anyone who purchased an iphone. Apple has always made closed systems. They control everything that gets put on their devices. In fact, iphone users are somewhat lucky that there is an SDK and Apple is open to so many apps.

I think people really take Windows for granted and the flexibility MS has given to developers. Anyone can develop a windows mobile app and sell it anywhere. If you the user want to pay $999 for a glowing gem, that is your right.

This has to be one of the most asinine threads in a long time (in a grand tradition of asinine threads)!

So Apple must market every app developed by every developer?

And we listen to how democratic the Windows platform is? Yeah, so MS pushes every app developed for Windows? LOL!!!!! Oh, you must mean the ones they don't squash or buy!

Apple is free to market whatever they like, and free to not subsidize whatever they don't like.

Nothing prevents the developer from distributing their stuff wherever they want to distribute it - at their own expense. Just as Netscape was allowed to distribute their browser that ran on Windows! Or VMWare can distribute their app. And the list goes on...

Double standard? You guys are pathetic. Somehow you hold Apple responsible for distributing EVERY compatible app for their product, yet claim that the Windows platform is so open while MS actively attempts to squash many 'duplicate or competing apps.

Apple is free to chose what it wants to distribute. MS is free to distribute what it want to distribute. And any independent developer is free to distribute what they want to distribute on their own.

What's wrong folks? Can't stand the idea of applying the same standards you say are fair for one to all?

You idiots are the ones that hallucinate that Apple is obliged to redistribute whatever runs on their platform, and that is absolute BS.

But then, why should THAT surprise anyone here?

And we listen to how democratic the Windows platform is? Yeah, so MS pushes every app developed for Windows? LOL!!!!! Oh, you must mean the ones they don't squash or buy!

It is not possible, as I understand it, to simply download an App from the web and install it on the iPhone without jumping through a number of cumbersome hoops.

Apples™ and oranges, my friend.

Anyone can code for Windows Mobile and sell it anywhere. Only select applications can be installed on the iPhone through *one* source (the App Store) without going through what amounts to hacking the phone.

As you can see, they are completely different. Comparing them is like comparing AIX to Windows or OSX. ;)

Nonsense.

Apple is under NO obligation to accept anything from anyone!

You imposition of this supposed "right" is farcical!

Apple never said it was an open platform. Apple never said that they would redistribute every app from whomever without restriction or discretion.

Instead we have a bunch of idiots determining whether as Apple has the right to manage their own platform as they choose.

And thus far, does Apple really need to be redistributing a fart generator? Hell, we have a plethora of flatulence that is produced on this forum daily! Whether Apple chooses to distribute it surely does not deplete the universe of an over abundance of gas. Nor of the additional sh!t that comes from the idiots here.

Now, I can only imagine what the fanboys would do if Apple actively tried to control the independent distribution of apps - like MS did with Netscape!

Apples and oranges? D@mned right! And the Windows fanboys waddle off irate that Apple chose not to redistribute a 3rd party's app while they celebrate MS's openness. LOL! See you at the next Netscape anniversary party...

And you are right, comparing the capabilities of AIX to Windows is a bit like comparing an F-22 or Mig-29 to a Cox line controlled model plane. Yet its amazing to listen to those who think the Cox model is the state of the art.

You imposition of this supposed "right" is farcical!

Mine? Where did I make such an implication?

Apple nevr said it was an open platform.

...and they never have been. Which was my point in my posts prior to yours. If you were at all reading my response to you, it had *nothing* to do with that, merely that your comparison to Windows was absurd.

Instead we have a bunch of idiots determining whether as Apple has the right to manage their own platform as they choose.

They have every right. It's their platform.

Now, I can only imagine what the fanboys would do if Apple actively tried to control the independent distribution of apps

Other than effectively disallowing it?

ike MS did with Netscape!
See you at the next Netscape anniversary

I was there. At Netscape. (That dates me, doesn't it?) They were dead long before IE became an issue. Management was a joke, there was *zero* development progress, and the company had no intention of competing...until it was too late (well after I'd moved on) and they finally woke up and realized the sh1t they were in.

Yet its amazing to listen to those who think the Cox model is the state of the art.

But you'd never use a Mig-29 or an F-22 to do what you use the Cox model plane to do, now would you? ;)

Gee, and to think that you thought my initial post was ONLY in response to YOU?

"But you'd never use a Mig-29 or an F-22 to do what you use the Cox model plane to do, now would you?"

You know, this may come as a shock to the fanboys here on this forum, but many DO use their desktop to do more than play games.

Such lofty standards. And yet you complain that Netscape had lousy management (while MS was denying the significance of the Internet). "Zero development progress...until...they finally woke up and realized the sh!t they were in." Sorta sounds like where MS is with Windows and the advent of the virtualized centrally managed distributed model sans monolithic desktops, doesn't it? Deep sh!t...

I suspect Panos is going to do just fine with their 3" cube replacing all of those desktops.

Nothing prevents the developer from distributing their stuff wherever they want to distribute it - at their own expense
Don't you know there is practically NO legal alternative for iPhone app developers to distribute their apps aside from via the AppStore?

Gee, and to think that you thought my initial post was ONLY in response to YOU?

*laughing* God, you're an idiot sometimes...

You replied to me. You used the term "You" to start the sentence. What, exactly, did you expect me to think???

You know, this may come as a shock to the fanboys here on this forum, but many DO use their desktop to do more than play games.

Yeah, but if they want to...they can. :)

I cannot believe this actually surprises anyone.

Since when has Apple *not* been about controlling the platform? They tried that once...and failed miserably. Remember?

Only problem is they don't seem to fail this time. Looks like in the current generation they finally found their entitled but brain-washed sheep.

The very same niche crowd they have always appealed to.

The windows PC is still stomping the Mac PC in terms of Market share, just as the Blackberry is still stomping the iPhone in terms of Market share.

This is not anything new or different.

There are people out there who actually use these products because they fit their usage better than the alternatives, but those are sadly few and far between.

There are different/new things.

Macs are gaining relative market share.
The iPhone didn't exist and now has a quite remarkable smartphone market share for it being the only device using this OS.

Trends change and those who don't stay alert historically end up in cold water.

What trends have changed here? Apple is still niche in both markets.

When I see any kind of dramatic change to this, I will reconsider my opinion. Until then, no-one, at least judging by market share, really gives a crap anyway.

Let's forget about computers. I can hardly remember having a Mac and good riddance.

In terms of cell phones however Apple has built up a significant market share in the shortest time. Let's compare this ONE device of this ONE brand against any other ONE device of another brand and tell me it's market share is insignificant. Let's look at consumer centric smartphones and tell me it's a negligible success...

Edit: You know - I don't really give a damn about Apple or how you feel about them so I'm not going to waste our time with this pointless thread any further. Android is out and looks like it is going to be what I hoped iPhone would. Nuff said.

http://gizmodo.com/gadge...market-share-334516.php

http://www.intomobile.co...smartphone-segment.html

The iPhone is 3rd. Yeah, they're doing better than the Computers....

But when you look at the cell-phone market as a whole... Well...I guess *any* smartphone could be considered a "niche" product.

*shrug*

Granted, Andriod is looking to be what the people *wanted* from Apple and the iPhone. Only time will tell.

If you want things to "just work," like most Apple users claim things do, this is the price you will pay.

What you gain in things "just working," you loose in choice, obscure features and customization.

This is a third party installment.

> Apple applications may 'work' - loose in choice.

> Third party applications may offer more functionality and break. Grab a tissue and have a cry. It was expected.

I do not see why we cannot have both ???

Nor do I. Windows, Unix and Linux have been surviving for years based on that.

Apparently Apple believes they must protect their users from themselves.

Who can blame them with customers like IW7

The app store is going to get a bad reputation very quickly if this isn't stamped on. This inconsistency is not good, not good at all.

Agreed. So much for choice after all...

Since when has *choice* been a strong suit of Apple's products and design? If choice were a strong suit of Apple's, people would be able to install OSX on the hardware of their CHOICE.

Well, apple already DOES have a bad rep. App store is just a continuation.

These answers aren't even in the same universe, nevermind the same ballpark.

That's interesting to me in all this nosense is that is shows the true color of apple (I suspect it is the true color of many other) : given any control they turn into some dictatorship control freak that refuse competition and choice.

Because what is the meaning of "duplicate functionality" ? Apple is afraid that people bring out a better app that the one inside the IPhone ? and so what ? How would it be a problem for the sales of IPhone ? but no in Apple mind you use THEIR app or nothing ...

This is freaky and show why open standard should be mandatory at least at the data level and such control forbidden.

Whatever gospel they can sing about free market and competition all they dream about is monopoly and absolute control ... unfortunately that's what people rejected when they invented our imperfect democracy, and it is time the "free" market get a free makeover of democratic values, even imperfect.

What do you expect from a company run by a bunch of fanascists.

Exactly. I mean, what a buncha control freaks...

What's the next step? Selling one ipod per person so we wont get TOO much apple experience? :|

What? Duplicate functionality?! Well, in that case we should have rejected all browsers after Netscape, all OSs after UNIX, all alternatives to first email service, and so on and so forth

I mean, good lord, duplicate functionality...

You mean Mosaic, since IE and Netscape are both based on it initially.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_(web_browser)

Android is going to smash the iPhone in the apps department and rule the universe.

Not likely.

People should play by Apple's easy rules and they won't have any problems. Apple is the most just and fair company on earth. These rejected apps are the problems of these developers.

Yes! We love The Company. Apple is nice to us. Do not think bad thoughts about the company. We love the leader. Apple is good. Do not think bad thoughts about the company. If you are not happy, you do not love the company enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJI9xDUYV8

Now you understand what I am saying perfectly! Don't you feel much better as a person now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgk9tUtxZFI
http://www.youtube.com/w...?v=6DBuk91phkI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/w...XF4&feature=related

Apple is for losers.

Excuse me Cure110 - you might want to review your facts. This video you so lovingly posted has been misrepresented.

This was on CNN like over a year ago and it is actually a woman who is pro-abortion screaming in hysterics to a young man who is protesting (peacefully I might add) against abortion.

Excuse me Bill, but you are clearly wrong. And yes, CNN got their sources wrong.

The guy is actually a Windows user who just said: "I do not think Steve Jobs is a god, and I would like to say that Vista actually works quite nice on my home computer. I actually do not care about OS's that much. It's just computers. Not sex."

The girl is not actually a girl, but a hermafrodite Mac-user that did not agree with that statement.

Maybe people want to play by their own rules, and not have to take it up the arse by any company. Ever consider that?

Probably not.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question...

nah it ain't for losers, it's intended to brainwashed people like internetworld7 and foxfyre

Zeero here's the answer to your question. When you solve this problem in your life, you'll finally be able to think right:

http://img.photobucket.c...1/head_up_your_ass2.jpg

That fact that you can't answer this simple question, show a lot more about you then it does about me.

But hey, if you really want to go around pulling everyone's chain, and just trying to piss people off, thats fine by me. Such a sad life you have that you have nothing better to do.

No apps for you! Come back one year!

Next!

Yes, the policy is public and we have all observed that Apple will fully utilize it to block apps that it doesn't care for. It's an inherent development risk. Frustrating after working on the app I'm sure, but it's no secret that the possibility exists at this point.

The calculator comparison is faulty. Sure functionality is indeed duplicated, but it remains Apple's choice whether or not to permit them. There is nothing compelling the company to deny them, but they reserve the right to if they so choose.

Can you imagine if Google or Microsoft had that very same attitude? Man Microsoft even invited Mozilla Devs to Redmond to help with tweaking their application for Vista!

Evil! And so many blind sheeple to seeing it!

They reserve the right because Apple customers give them that right.

Their customers get what they deserve in the long run.

Hehe wasn't this the same forum wherein people where bashing Microsoft that they bundle Windows media player into windows and does not give a change to 3rd party applications ?

I guess the same apple fanboys had shouted and cursed there heart out to Microsoft ( and that too when Microsoft never stopped anyone from developing or installing applications).

Apple is right to give the applications they want. They are also right to police what applications are available on apple store but are totally wrong to stop third party applications from being loaded onto the device if the user wants to.

They have lost on Macs before. If they continue the same, they would loose again on phone market.

What Apple has always forgot is "customers" rule and to win business you better comply with customers or forget your profit margin.

Exactly and it's the same practice that they use with music and video content on iTunes. It's worked well for Apple, so there's little incentive to change.

If Apple told me that I couldn't use Firefox or Thunderbird on my Mac, I'd be incensed. I really don't want to be locked into everything that they think is better for me. Even Mercedes learned to be flexible in order to survive.

Apple, I like your products but don't tell me what to choose, unless you're going to start giving away free hardware.

yawn

Pretty much solidifies that I will never use an Apple product.

"Life without walls" sure sounds good right about now.

You mean, "I'm not a human farting, nor a human queefing, just a human dumb enough to pay the Microsoft Tax?

Ouch.

*laughing*

Yeah...Only Mommy tells Zaine what to do.