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Open XML Negatively Impacting ISO Standards Body

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

October 17, 2007, 3:08 PM

Since the number of "principal" or "participating" (P-class) voting members of the International Organization for Standardization's JTC 1 SC 34 working group increased by eleven prior to last month's preliminary ballot on the approval process for Microsoft's Office Open XML format suite, participation by nearly all members on important matters other than OOXML appears to be waning.

Of the three non-OOXML ballots that were voted on since September 2, ISO documents reveal, Poland was the only new member to vote yea or nay, while Colombia voted twice to abstain, and all other new members failed to cast ballots at all.

That lack of voting is detrimental to the ISO process, because under its rules, a measure that fails to acquire 50% or greater response from its P-class voters automatically fails.

A total of 24 countries failed to participate in a vote last October 7 in a critical vote on a regular grammar-based schema definition language for XML, called RELAX NG. In that vote, not a single participating country voted negatively, with the US, the UK, and new member Poland among the seven "Yes" votes, Japan alone voting "Yes, with comments," and four other countries abstaining.

But under ISO rules, the measure went down to defeat for lack of participation.

That same day, a similar measure regarding further development of another XML schema, Namespace-based Validation Dispatching Language (already an ISO standard), also went down to defeat with a very similar tally. And a measure to create an official liaison with the XML Guild went down to defeat the same day, although there was one nay vote cast from the Netherlands.

As JTC 1 SC 34's Secretariat-Manager Ken Holman informed members last September 30 at the time a dearth of responses were being collected for pending ballots, in a memo cited by ConsortiumInfo.org, "Since the recent influx of new P-members to SC 34, not a single ballot has been able to be processed...It is critically important that P-members remember their obligations: if we do not get 20 responses per ballot, the work of SC 34 will grind to a halt....If you do not plan to participate in the work of SC 34, please consider changing your membership to Observer status."

One ballot agenda's lack of participation may not yet a crisis make, although some are suggesting it may be time to light a fire underneath the freshmen members' respective P-classes.

As Linux Foundation board member and attorney Andrew Updegrove commented this morning, "The situation underlines the vulnerability of the traditional standard setting process to those that wish to manipulate the rules. Those rules are based on the assumption that participants are acting in good faith. They are also biased towards making participation easy, in order to allow everyone affected by standards to have a voice in their creation. As standards become ever more important to vendors as well as to the rest of the world, it appears that those rules will need to be overhauled."

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By ?

edited Oct 21, 2007 - 1:40 PM

I think those who was lobbing against OpenXML before Sept.4 cannot honestly criticize new p-members for silence, as their own tactics was not to allow JTC 1 members to vote for OpenXML.

At least in my country (Russia) Microsoft seemed to be a side asking Technical Committee for discussion and analyses of OpenXML, while it’s opponents were standing for not evaluating OpenXML in Technical Committee and not voting in NB. Of course, Russia is o-member, not so important. Unfortunately… But when it’s NB finally voted, mostly defending freedom of choice and technological neutrality from IBM and Microsoft marketers, it received a lot of dirty PR from such cynic guys like FFII etc.

It is too obvious that both standards are developed to protect interests of Microsoft or IBM respectively. And, being honest, Microsoft has less experience in lobbing (and thus failed), but more experience in office apps. That is why IBM and Sun are not able to compete with it at stocks and need ISO to stop it. And that is why we’d defend concept of multiple standards. At least I am not sure, we can agree for only one standard (ODF 1.0) if it fails even to represent Main Law of Russia, and fails to represent all this … MS legacy... We need something more.

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By 4421

posted Oct 18, 2007 - 5:58 AM

No drama, who cares about these standards. Updegrove gets pathetic.

The Open XML Format adoption seems to be secure now. This is all that matters. They at ISO dont really want the new ones.

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By zridling

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 10:45 PM

Once again, thanks to Scott Fulton for his thorough reporting on this issue over the past year and a half. As Updegrove states, ISO has to be reformed to prevent "gaming the system" the way Microsoft desperately tried to with their failed MS-OOXML format, which will go down in tech history right up there with Gate's BSOD and Balmer's monkey dancing.

If you want to watch another slow, painful death, watch how Microsoft screws up Windows Live with its broad lock-in strategy, which is based on MS-OOXML! It's as if the republicans were in charge of Redmond — so far, this century has sucked for Microsoft.

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By pitdingo

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 6:27 PM

And all the usual M$ drones had posted how M$ did not corrupt the process with OOXML. LOL. more proof at how underhanded and dishonest M$ is.

I am sure those same M$ drones will carpet bomb this thread...

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By PC_Tool

posted Oct 22, 2007 - 9:18 AM

Well, I see the MS trolls are out in full force, why not?

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By Scotch Moose

posted Oct 17, 2007 - 5:40 PM

Just disgusting.

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