Just because you paint s*** gold, doesnt make it gold. This browser is nothing special, in fact it isnt even as useful as IE8. The "features" they tout are nothing special and the supposed speed is sub par. Stop wasting our time.

Overnight a gaggle of Opera users have marked down all my comments. To quote one of our better known thespians the great and late Kenneth Williams whose critically acclaimed Shakespearian stuff is much quoted here in the UK, "Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me".

Bumped you back up...as much as one "thumbs up" can, anyway.

What a waste of time. :p There's 30 seconds I'll never get back. ;)

Try and put the pipe down before typing...

Considering her name, I suggest she puts down the hot dog.

A very important good and often overlooked feature of Opera 10 is that it now supports svgfonts, also called webfonts.
Svgfonts are svg graphics that form fonts, they are scalable, efficient and cross platform.
Furthermore the svgfont specification is maintained by a vendor-neutral organization. The specification itself is open and free to download and/or watch for yourself:
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/fonts.html

It's the future of the web. And it's good to see that at least one not webkit related browser supports them (Safari and other WebKit-related browsers are also said to support svgfonts).
With Inkscape 0.47, which is going to come out any time soon, it will be possible to make svgfonts. This doesn't seem like much, however it's very important for text.
Hopefully other browsers will also add support for it now that it's part of the Acid3 test.

Is this a mobile phone browser or a desktop web browser? Desktop computers don't need a "turbo mode". Very few people use dialup Internet anymore.

Maybe not in Europe and in the USA, but the World it's much much wither than that...

Again, the world is not only Europe and the USA. I can confirm that using Opera over a low speed and high latency connection is in fact faster than Chrome. Travel to east Africa and try for yourself if you don't believe me.

It does not depend on geography. The mode is mainly for WiFi and 3G connections. I have to say that I am using my Asus Eee and my SE 3G cell phone hooked via Bluetooth at the moment. Due to the mode Opera 10 is definately the fastest browser in such config.

"Very few people use dialup Internet anymore."

Ah, the awesomeness of human ignorance. Even huge parts of Europe and the US are still not on broadband, my ignorant friend :)

Not to mention all those people traveling around with laptops, stuck with sucky public WiFi connections. Or any other situation where the bandwidth is less than ideal.

"Internet Explorer, Firefox and Google Chrome are all designed for the whole world and they don't need a turbo mode to give blazing fast performance world wide"

LOL.

This is because Opera is an INNOVATOR. Just wait and see. You will see "Firefox Turbo" or "Chrome Turbo" shortly.

NO, those browsers will NOT give you blazing performance over dialup. That's physically impossible because you are limited by your bandwidth, and this is exactly what Opera Turbo fixes.

The lossless compression that nearly every dialup modem does is just as good as Opera Turbo. The best part is there are no fuzzy graphics that are almost impossible to decipher. The technology used in Opera Turbo is identical to what AOL used when they were strictly a dialup internet provider. It didn't provide any significant speed improvement then and it still doesn't now. Even with 9600 baud and 14.4K dialup modems the speed improvement is negligible. The typical download speeds at most WiFi hotspots is 85-100KB/s. This is no worse than DSL.

You bad boy, never say something doesn't needs a feature that can speed up things!
If it's making something faster than it's good to have. This doesn't mean it's extremely important or unimportant.

Have you ever tried the turbo mode over a 3g or edge mobile connection? I think not.

@sturgess: Yeah, I see you around a lot, after all :)

How did you make your reply blank?

1. The comment was off-topic
2. Maybe the page listing 1 comment was old and cached, and when you opened the comments 2 more had been added since you saw the claim about 1 comment.

You know you can give your own comments a thumbs up? :P

bskdopeboy "You know you can give your own comments a thumbs up"
Only once regrettably.

I haven't used Opera in years.. I think I'll check it out again.

I have used most of the browsers, finally I settled on three, mainly
Firfox 3.5 (I am not attached to any plugins)
IE7 (for some banks or online pay, some sites still support IE only, unfortunately )
Opera 10 ,,

Since many years I was hooked to Opera on and off. Despite that, Opera 10 got really my attention. Not only is the surfing fast, but it has also many other features such as mail client witch is working fine with my gmail account, not to mention, widgets, Speed Dial, good tab control, and many minor things but really I liked such as automatically download certain extensions.

I am quiet pleased of the improvement in rendering most of the sites (until now, I have not crossed one since two month), some banks there were not compatible with FF, surprisingly, worked fine with Opera 10.

I'm not a fan of Chrome yet, and Firefox has been my default browser for several years. I always WANTED to like Opera, but several things always stood in the way. I hated the betas and always uninstalled them. With v.10, I think they might have finally converted me, but we'll see with more use if I'm finally hooked.

The bookmarks finally display the way I like, the interface is better, and it's been speedy for me. Resource use is just under that of Firefox, which is acceptable. I like the speed dial feature which is built in, and not an extension like Firefox.

A few tips:
Bookmarks...I was using "Xmarks" for Firefox. If you want to import your Firefox bookmarks, you first must save the bookmark file as an "html" file. Then you'll be able to import that file to Opera.
AdBlock....Use Adsweep and follow the instructions on their site.

Aside from those two inconveniences, my experience so far is very good.

@ DeKoquonut : You talk authoritatively about how programs should perform, yet your criticizing reveals how little you actually know.

If you want to manage your bookmarks, click on "bookmarks", then click on "manage bookmarks". After that, you can arrange in various ways and even delete them! I'm surprised such a tech-savvy person such as yourself couldn't figure this out on his own.

I know that, the whole point was that I should not have to go that deep into the system to simply delete or alphabetize the bookmarks. Someone as tech savvy as you should have known what I was talking about without me having to draw you a picture.

Yeah, you have to go REAL deep....a single click. I was snide with you, because you are obviously not interested in the browser, yet take time to bash it with inane grievances.

I must agree with netjunkie here... I really dont see what the big deal is.

Deep... very deep. Right+Click in the BookMark panel "View->"
That's very difficult, and so illogical too.

Quiet decent, been using it since the alpha. They got rid of few bugs since then and its a huge improvement over 9.6. Customizing it's UI is way more versatile then any other browsers and its a good browser to try out.

Opera, Turbo, Unite... can't make their minds up or what?

I'm sorry, what are you on about?

@artfuldodga

Opera is the name of the product. Turbo and Unite are features in that product.

Seriously, what's up with you and your hateful obsession with Opera?

Unite was a supposed major feature to be added, long ago, actually Opera used this feature under the slogan 'changing the web' or something ;P yet i think they realise it was a huge resource and privacy blunder and NOT the direction of the browser leaders....

no surprise they changed direction on this

@artfuldodga: Uh, Unite was released as a preview release on their labs site a while ago. Where did you get the "to be added long ago" part from?

They never changed direction. They already have 10.10 builds out with Unite.

You are clearly deeply ignorant and bigoted.

"Upgrade from previous versions not working"

Worked fine here.

"Least 100 other unrepaired bughill."

Well, Firefox 3.0 released with thousands of known bugs. 85% of the known bugs were not fixed. All software has bugs.

"YES the slowest and weakest performanced browser (except IE) just watch betanews all browser test"

IIRC, Opera was one of the fastest in those tests. But remember, pure JS tests are not relevant to real world sites since JS is just a tiny part of that.

I just tried it - as I have now and then in the past - and it would not load my banking page correctly.

I then tried to right click on a bookmark to delete it, but you can't do that, nor can you sort your bookmarks by name with a quick right click. These are pretty basic file handling features, damn shame that they are excluded in Opera.

Program uninstalled.

"Never mind the traffic issues, you can get Opera 10 final in our FileForum." (FileForum front page). Uhhhhh traffic issues? I didn't know all 10 people downloading Opera would cause traffic issues.

Apparently, they had hundreds of thousands of downloads within a couple of hours of release. There were so many people trying to get Opera 10 that their servers nearly died.

i find it funny now that every blog is pushing Opera today like some golden egg, yet probably don't' use the browser themselves and so easily forget about history, i can't trust a company with my browsing that once was completely FOR profit when all other existing competitors were well, Free

first there was the paid version and up until 2005, their browser displayed sponsored ads and targeted ads, this dispite ads already present on the web lol what the hell right? lost any support i may of had for the product entirely, nothing will change that ;P no matter what positive direction their competitors force them to take, just shows they only innovate off the coattails of others and when shoved in the correct direction market demand

their constant whining to the EU about IE and market share was and has turned many off of the company and even Firefox took a PR hit for their backing, not really a surprise

simply put, a company and product not worth trusting

Firefox, Chrome (debatable in trusting part these days lol), IE8 pick one

Meh, if you're that twitchy about untrustworthiness, why don't you invest in a firewall?
I use what works for me regardless of what the company was or is like.
Opera are for profit in exactly the same was as IE8 is. Sponsored searches, which in the case of Microsoft is Bing/Windows Live, Chrome is the same.

Opera didn't have the capital pre-2005 because they weren't on the stock market. It was a privately owned company until then.

what does Bing or Google have to do with anything? i use Bing in Firefox, which came with a Google plugin, which i deleted, so far when i browse, Bing doesn't suddenly start throwing up targeted ads at me on pages unrelated to Bing, what exactly are you saying?

IE8 same deal...

awe, they didn't have the capital... lots of products have zero capital to start, do things correctly for their target market and gain huge traction

"i can't trust a company with my browsing that once was completely FOR profit when all other existing competitors were well, Free"

clearly you weren't around before IE, firefox and chrome existed and have no idea what you are talking about

Opera has been around since 1996, at which point netscape was still charging for their browser, and the only "free" browser was IE 3, which was only free because MS wanted to kill netscape

"just shows they only innovate off the coattails of others"

firefox is only free because of the PAID work that netscape did, and chrome is only free because of the targeted ads on google search and google banner ads

lol, Netscape died, because IE killed off the paid browser market and rightly so (thank you IE), who wants to Pay for a browser? ... at which point, everyone else (well Netscape) woke up or tried to wake up but couldn't innovate/compete with IE and failed... later Mozilla born, free and easy

and then you have Opera over there, still a pay client, twiddling its thumbs does not innovate and later follows every other browsers lead that makes some kind of dent in the market ;)

@artfuldodga: "i can't trust a company with my browsing that once was completely FOR profit when all other existing competitors were well"

Yeah, it's not like Microsoft and Google are for-profit or anything :D

What on earth does the fact that Opera was the only independent browser, and actually had to make its own money to stay alive, have to do with anything anyway?

@artfuldodga: Microsoft and Google are commercial entities, just like Opera, and yet you trust them but not Opera? Is that hypocrisy I smell?

@artfuldodga: "and then you have Opera over there, still a pay client, twiddling its thumbs does not innovate"

Opera practically defined the modern browser, with popup blocking, tabbed browsing before other mainstream browsers, the built in search field, page zoom, sessions, speed dial, etc. Claiming that Opera has not been innovative is just insane.

"later follows every other browsers lead that makes some kind of dent in the market"

Which ones might that be? The only one I can think of is Firefox, and Firefox has basically been liberally borrowing Opera's features since day 1.

It's one thing to prefer one browser over another. It's another thing completely to fabricate insane stories with no basis in reality.

I still can't get over how you apparently don't trust commercial companies, and yet you probably use lots of applications from commercial vendors. Heck, Betanews is a commercial entity!

But I guess there's no cure for hypocrisy.

It's funny, Blabbery, but you seem to have completely missed where dear old art said he used Firefox...not IE or Chrome.

Selective reading comprehension, or plain old "ignore what threatens my delusion"?

@PC_Tool: So I guess he's using Debian rather than Mac or Windows or any other commercial application?

You are indeed a tool.

Debian is an OS.

Chrome, Firefox, IE and Opera are browsers.

In case you've totally forgotten what you were originally talking about (shocking...), art stated he would never use a browser that at any time *charged* it's users. Do try and keep up...

My guess is he is using Firefox.

Of course, that's only based on my interpretation of his post where he stated:

"i use Bing in Firefox"

You might interpret that differently... in fact, I am sure you do. You apparently think it has something to do with Debian.

i use both Winders and Linux, mostly Windows... not that what i use as an OS matters, we're talking about Browsers here

It's finally finished. Over 9.64 it's a much more stable improvement, and fortunately they've removed the Unite functionality for 10.0 which makes it less resource-hogging that it would have been.

Still in need of the new JavaScript engine though.
Solid and works well for me.

i thought Unite was their huge innovation? lol

Heh. Yeah. I certainly didn't claim it as that.
It's due in 10.1 apparently.
It's pointless in my opinion.

Wait. The key feature opera advertised did not make the .0 release? Oh man! Dang, and that was the one feature that would have won over the firefox/ie crowd, not proper form autocomplete, extension support or an API, password editing, and various other features that most browsers have had for years! Way to go opera!

@Paul Skinner

How would Unite make it more resource-hogging if you don't actually use it? Stuff in Opera you don't use won't take up resources.

@FixXxeR

What makes you think Unite was the "key feature in Opera 10"? It was called Opera 10 long before Unite was added.

Seems you forgot stuff like Turbo, which is great on slow public WiFi connections when I'm on the go.

And why would Unite be something to replace extensions and all that? Unite is clearly of huge strategic importance to Opera.

I beleive that NSL(never stop loading) bug has been fixed in last few snapshots.

31st Aug was still hanging, have a peek at the Beta testing (including snapshots and previews) forums.

Stuck with it through the alphas, and the betas, it would be a great browser but for one very annoying quirk that appeared a couple of years back, and never went away. It often hangs when a page has been loaded with one element remaining, I, like many try to ignore that floating hourglass, but to no avail, we have to click the stop button, this can have the effect of fixing the problem or the bloomin' browser starts to download the page all over again. When logging into your bank account, if the page has not loaded correctly you get a question mark where the padlock should be, click on the question mark and you receive a message along the lines of this site is not secure, what it really means is the site is probably secure but Opera has failed to connect properly, worrying, not 'arf. That is why Opera is not my default, I don't trust it to connect to my bank securely every time, any of the other browsers doing the rounds all manage to do what Opera is simply unable to do, and that's a shame because it really is a superb browser.

Yahoo, try signing in,you don't need an account to see what I'm talking about. Sometimes you get the OK to proceed, and sometimes you get the question mark. Suggest you drop in on the Opera forums and do a search for the problem, one thread last post made the 31st Aug '09 goes back two years. Surprised you never thought of doing that yourself.

Surprised? It's the usual "Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal" syndrome. If they close their eyes and don't acknowledge the issues...there are no issues. :)

on the other hand, I have never had the problem with my opera install and yahoo mail, I only use yahoo mail rarely anymore, as it and hotmail suck when compaired to gmail, but still, there are problems at times with opera, not all on opera's end tho, you can try masking opera as IE or FF and see what i mean, on some sites they load fine IF you make them think you are on one of the more known browsers, if not they send broken code to you :(

@PC_Tool: Who isn't acknowledging what? Do you know what Opera is or isn't acknowledging?

Your ignorance and bigotry is amazing.

Not Opera, genius. You.

i got it. very fast and the rendering is so much better then in previous years

Yogurth "Very fast(overall fastest), "
Love to hear your explanation of that comment, never in a million years is it the fastest, have you ever tried another browser ? It was the fastest when I first started using it many years ago, but not now, and not for some time.

Honestly, who gives a damn about this browser with a market share of 1.97% according to http://en.wikipedia.org/...e_share_of_web_browsers
As a webdeveloper for 10+ years I've never heard from an employee that their website had to be Opera compatible. I've tried to make some websites Opera compatible after I'd made them compatible with MSIE 6+7+8 (siiiiigh) and Firefox, but Opera always had some weird quirks.

The reason I use Opera. & love it.
1. Mouse Gestures - Its addictive and god! terrific. try it. If you dont like it, pass.
2. Automatic Email Indexing - Now I dont have to crap up my desktop with windows desktop search or google search just so I can keyword-search my emails down the years. with Imap + gmail, the M2 client is just absolutely beautiful.
3. Simplicity, I need to save some text, its F4, and I can use the notes. and it follows me around.
4. speed, Opera is fast.

Well done Opera team. I hope someday you add a userscript manager for us, as that truly is a missing feature, as it makes it harder to run those little scripts...

@sn0wflake

Opera's actual market share is about 3% globally, and 7-10% in Europe.

I guess you don't care about Safari or Chrome either, since they have an equally low market share? Or are you a hypocrite of some kind? :(

Opera doesn't have weirder quirks than other borwsers.

@sturgess

Actually yes, Opera IS the fastest on real sites even if it isn't on artificial JS benchmarks.

@sturgess: LMAO. Best reply ever.

Fathoming the LMAO proved troublesome until I spotted your bit about the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, knew then herb tea was responsible and the meaning became blindingly obvious. Lemmings Migrate to Argentina Occasionally, I didn't know that.

I own a Mac and since the beginning I adopted FF and Opera over Safari. The main browser for OS X is the worst browser in my opinion, I used to use IE on the Mac over Safari that is how much I do not like the browser. Though I hear a lot of people love it. Maybe I'm wrong but as I sad is just my opinion.

sturgess:

Not that I don't enjoy the randomness, but you should probably have your meds checked by a doctor. You may be taking too much/too little. ;)