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Opera Web Browser Goes Freeware

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

September 20, 2005, 11:33 AM

Following a successful 24-hour giveaway last month, Opera Software has decided to drop the banner ads from its Web browser and permanently nix the licensing fee. Opera 8.5 is now available for download free of charge, putting new pressure on Firefox as it nears version 1.5.

"Today we invite the entire Internet community to use Opera and experience Web browsing as it should be," said Jon S. von Tetzchner, Opera CEO. "Removing the ad banner and licensing fee will encourage many new users to discover the speed, security and unmatched usability of the Opera browser."

Version 8.5 also brings to the table a number of other minor improvements, including Browser JavaScript for fixing broken Web sites on the fly and four security fixes.

Opera will continue to offer paid "Premium Support," but the company is likely to refocus its business around volume - much like Microsoft has done with Internet Explorer and Mozilla with Firefox.

"Some people might speculate that Opera couldn't compete by charging when AOL, Apple, Microsoft, Mozilla and most other browser developers give away software for free. Not so. Just the opposite is true," explained Jupiter Research senior analyst Joe Wilcox.

"The Opera folks are betting their browser has reached a threshold of popularity where they can unshackle it from the fees. This clearly is a volume play that could pay off if enough people use the browser. Opera would be able to drive revenue through affiliate relationships, for example."

Opera spokesman Thomas Ford said the move to freeware was not made in response to the success of Firefox.

"This is really an opportunity to provide choice. Now users can select the safest and fastest Internet browser. Increasing our market share allows Opera to play a stronger role in shaping the future of Web innovation," Ford told BetaNews.

Opera 8.5 can be downloaded for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux and FreeBSD in 20 languages.

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By Ashwin Irudayasamy

edited Oct 7, 2005 - 1:28 AM

Willing to use Opera 8.5 web browser and wish to see its performance.

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By tipsyboy

posted Sep 21, 2005 - 10:10 AM

Thanx OPERA team. It`s always a joy to find a ware given away without charges.

I've used OPERA since it was first released and always wished for the ADs to be removed. So for me it's a wish that came true, finally.

Again: thanx!

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By adamdawg

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 11:09 PM

It's about time. I'm not a huge fan of Opera, but when I tried it a couple years ago it was definately a good browser. Much better than IE anyway. Had they made this switch last year, I might have been using it instead of firefox.

I think they lost a lot of popularity due to charging. Making it free was the best move they've ever made.

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By worpo

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 9:01 PM

Can't we stop this childish "my browser is better than your browser" s***?

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By crashoverride

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 10:30 PM

aww come on they all seem to be having so much fun playing with their browsers. Let em have a little more fun.

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By Hillard

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 10:26 PM

Ahhhh, worpo you said the S*** word and I'm tell'in mommy. MOMMMMMY worpo said a bad word. Your gonna get ah whippin, your gonna get ah whippin. Also, my browser is better than your browser. Haaa Heee. Damn it. I s*** my pants again. MOMMMMY, worpo made me say a bad word.

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By Pegusis2

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 8:31 PM

I like it... it's fun! I like the Voice commands... when they work, I think it would work better if it was not Tabbed browsing. I downloaded the Birthday version of Opera and got a Free reg-key with it I thought that was pretty kewl. I've also downloaded a few skins and extras, and there are lots to download.

It's funny when running the Pop-up stopper that comes with Opera because I have a Pop-up stopper running in my system tray and there is this one news site (ABC News) that has an ad of some sort trying to pop and when I click on it to close it there is just a Blink and Everything that has to do with Opera is closed... It's more funny than it is annoying though! hehe

The one complaint I do have, and before you ask - Yes Java is Enabled - Some javascripts don't seem to want to run. Some work, but others just seem to load and than just not run. I don't know what's up with that, I checked the settings and it seems like everything is enabled that should be.

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By Aussie71

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 4:32 PM

Congratulations to Opera, this is a great decision. Opera is by far the fastest, lightest most secure web browser on the planet and now that it's free there's no reason to use anything else. :)

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By fewt

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 4:29 PM

Not an Opera fan myself (haven't even tried it in at least 3 years so there is no real reason why), but this is great news.

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By DigitalSin

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 4:45 PM

Its definitely improved since 3 years ago. You should give it a try - nothing to lose. I like it because its faster than Firefox. I also think the UI is a bit more streamlined.

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By ServerMechanic

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 3:49 PM

Alright folks.....tell me where to get good ad blocking software for Opera now?

I am finding it hard to leave Firefox because I love never seeing ads.

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By Pegusis2

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 8:33 PM

My favourite is NoAds found here:
http://www.southbaypc.com/free_utilities.asp

It's free and works very well. You can add to the list that comes with it and have Wild Cards. I've been using it for quite a long time.

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By wincement

edited Sep 21, 2005 - 11:34 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like that tool only blocks popups; not inline ads embedded in the page.

I think what people are looking for is a way to block in-page ads.

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By Metshrine

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 3:49 PM

www.admuncher.com works great, no its not free, but software of this caliber seldom is

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By mjm01010101

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 3:56 PM

adblock, is free, is open source, and will always be free and open source. What is this "seldom" you speak of?

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By wincement

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 4:04 PM

lol dangitall..

just let him sell his beloved admuncher. It's not hurting you any.

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By Metshrine

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 4:06 PM

Some people fail to realize that their opinion isnt the only one in the world, I am trying to give the person an answer to their question, an adblocker for opera, and he cant seem to get over the fact that someone would choose A) another browser over firefox, B) another program over ad block.

God forbid someone else be able to promote something that is not freeware.

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By Pegusis2

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 8:36 PM

There's a couple of guys who seem to think they have to add some foolish comment to everyone's post and some just seem to be down right Rude.

I agree with ya Met!

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By Metshrine

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 4:04 PM

As I stated below, ad muncher far exceeds the capabilities of ad block, i am not getting into it again, if you want to fine, but I am sick of trying to prove stuff to people who arent going to be open minded and give something an honest try. I tried ad block, it paled in comparison (after a 2 month trial with it) to ad muncher. I am no longer going to try and prove my opinions to anyone, either you take my opinion for what its worth, just that, or you dont. Just because some people cant stand when someone bad mouths their beloved freeware, doesnt mean that freeware is always better.

And, if you noticed, he asked for one for opera, so your beloved adblock is of no use here since it is BROWSER DEPENDANT

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By wat0114

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 6:17 PM

I'm with Metshrine on his assessment of ad muncher. it is an outstanding advert blocking utility. For all you detractors out there, give it a try. Your surfing experience will improve dramatically.

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By PC_Tool

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 4:46 PM

For someone who promotes open-mindedness, you sure have a narrow view of who has the right to post opinions.

Aparently it's you...and only you.

Other folks have different experiences with adblock than you apparently had.

Easy of use, auto-updates... Got 'em all. And not paying a dime either.

As far as IM protection..that'd be great....if I used IM.

Chill. It's only a browser, they're only ads. Maybe you need to avoid these browser discussions until you can be a bit more level-headed.

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By fewt

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 4:21 PM

What's the difference? How did it fail to compare?

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By Metshrine

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 4:22 PM

Read my comments at the bottom of this article, I am not restating them again. Besides, its a moot point in the post I am replying to. ADBlock has nothing to do with opera since its a firefox extension

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By crashoverride

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 3:47 PM

All I can say is that it's about time. I can say that it loads and renders pages marginally faster than Firefox, nothing earthshattering. I also downloaded Opera and decided to give it another try. I can't quite ut my finger on what it is, but something just doesn't click. I still like Firefox better. I will however say I like Opera much better than I ever liked IE. IE doesn't hold anywait for me anymore since I don't use windows.

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By GeorgeSantayana

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 3:02 PM

Opera is uglier than Firefox? God love Firefox, but it looks like they contracted out their industrial design to ex-Soviet engineers.

Opera loads faster than Firefox on Windows, but they have on par rendering speeds. IE 7 Beta 1 spanks them on both measures.

Incidently, Opera isn't a failed business. Only a small portion of their income comes from their desktop browser. They make most of their money from the embedded market. This move will increase desktop market share, hence giving their profit-generating side of business more notoriety. This isn’t desperation; it makes the most business sense.

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By rpavl

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 4:59 PM

Fireflop has the ugliest interface ever...YUK...Opera is much faster, and has a great built in email client, whereas fire flop needs an external client....nuff said but there are hundreds more reasons to use Opera vs the FLOP

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By PC_Tool

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:17 PM

You forgot to add the all important, "in my opinion." which would turn your fanboi rant into a legitimate opinion, dude.

I like the Firefox interface. I don't need a built-in email client since I use GMail.

'Nuff said.

Your mileage may vary, but claiming it's the ugliest interface ever just means you've never encountered the NeXT Operating system.

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By DigitalSin

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 3:17 PM

I second that.

This was a wise move by Opera. They have a great product. Opera is by far the fastest browser I have on my system (I have FF and IE 7). IE 7 does not seem as fast as far as rendering speed. It is faster on startup of course.

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By foxtyke

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:30 PM

I've always enjoyed using Opera, this is good news to me and to many people who I've introduced to the free version when they didn't like Firefox.

Choice is good :)

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By jburger

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:28 PM

Opera has automatic update check feature, but there's no option to disable or set the frequency. or does it even tell you that it's calling home.

I was using Opera 8 that was offered for free one day, and today I get this pop-up out of nowhere to upgrade. The entire time it was calling home without telling me jack.

Not my kind of browser.

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By XiND

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:52 PM

Firefox does the same... Don't tell me you never saw the little "updates available" icon on the top right corner of the window.

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By jburger

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 3:15 PM

The first time I saw the update message on FF, I went into the preferences and just turn it off.

First time I saw the update nag from Opera, I went into options to find they don't give you any choice. So much for alternative browser.

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By Banquo

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 3:04 PM

Don't tell me you didn't know that you can turn off Firefox's automatic update check in the options menu. His point was that Opera does not give you an option to turn it off or even tell you it exists.

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By ServerMechanic

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:24 PM

This rocks. I may just switch to Opera from Firefox 1.06.

Hmm.....

Thanks Opera. Great stuff. :)

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By wincement

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 2:23 PM

Sweet. I always hated Opera until version 8. Now.... well... I somewhat like it.

It is fast, I'll give it that, but I don't like the way it ignores certain STANDARD CSS. I have had several cases now where Opera insists on ignoring very specific definitions (such as no underline on hyperlinks) in my CSS code.

If my standard code (which renders EXACTLY how I want in all other major browsers) would render properly in it, it would be my favorite.

=((

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By mjm01010101

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 2:32 PM

Awesome. I'm a firefox freak but this will definately allow me to check this out now.

edit: after three minutes of use, I got bored and went back to firefox. Perhaps I'm lazy, but I don't see a way to block ads via adblock's style interface.

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By Metshrine

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:13 PM

what stopped you before? it was always free, you could have just as easily checked it out with a banner ad, no functionality was taken from it

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By wincement

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 2:18 PM

One big thing Firefox users (including myself) really like is the ability to exclude ads. Therefore, any of Opera's appeal was completely lost when they discovered there were always ads visible taking up screen real-estate.

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By Metshrine

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 2:23 PM

Wow, ad blocking is nothing new, it existed WELL BEFORE THE AD BLOCK EXTESION. Ad Muncher, along with several other, although not as good, ad blockers existed long before firefox even hit .1 release. Ad Muncher far exceeds ad block's capabilities, and it has a default list which is updated 4-5 times per week and as such blocks 99% of ads without ANY user intervention being required. And get this, although its not free (25 dollars for lifetime updates), it works with ANY web browser so you arent limited to an extension that works only with firefox, or only opera, or only ie, it works with all HTTP enabled APPLICATIONS (Not just web browsers, such as AIM, ICQ, etc)

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By PC_Tool

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 4:59 PM

hmmm..

Cross-browser compatibility doesn't mean sh!t to most FF users. We're a pretty monogamous bunch.

$25 for updates? My FF adblock extension, in conjunction with my filterset.G autoupdate extension gives my updates for free. I have yet to see an Ad in FF with this setup.

I understand you angst, but your argument implies we use other browsers and spend hours on updates. Both of these assumptions, by and large, are just plain wrong.

I spend no money. I see no ads.

You pay $25 once. You see no ads.

Until Opera can give me adblocking of this magnitude and ease free of charge, the minor increase in pageloads will not justify a change of my browsing program.

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By Arakiel

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:27 PM

Um...
ad muncher isn't free adblock is
ad mucher is a seperate exe, adblock is a simple plugin

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By Metshrine

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 2:32 PM

and, if you can read, i put that in my post. God forbid anyone use something that costs money when it blows the freeware alternatives out of the water. Paying 25$ means I get ad free browsing without having to spend extra time looking for a list or manually updating my list with a list I have to completely redownload. Ad Muncher updates AUTOMATICALLY and has a list that is probably alot larger than any list you will find for ad block.

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By Arakiel

posted Sep 21, 2005 - 10:07 AM

Wow do you just enjoy being a jerk or is this a special case?

I don't pay a thing and I don't see ads...ever. And I never hunt for an update, I have one list that I install when I install firefox, after that I never see an ad.

Not only that but I don't have a seperate executable hogging up processing and memory space.

Take a breath and step outside before you go postal, open source software isnt evil...i'm starting to think fewt is right about you.

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By PC_Tool

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 5:03 PM

Wow..

Again.. Adblock for firefox: http://adblock.mozdev.org/

Filterset.G filter auto-update extension for adblock: https://addons.mozilla.o...ns/moreinfo.php?id=1136

You claim to be open minded but then you go and hound the hell out of anyone who thinks a free auto-updating alternative to your paid service is better.

Just because you pay for it doesn't mean it's better than freeware.

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By fewt

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 4:25 PM

Did you write ad muncher?

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By fewt

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 6:32 PM

No comment?

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By mjm01010101

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:37 PM

I don't see ads with adblock, and I have to update it maybe 3-4 times a year with the occasional ad. My filter list is only a few hundred long and quite a bit of regex is in there.

I don't want someone else's list. I want to block logos, flash, entire advertising domains and even pictures that are on sites that I find redundant (like betanews large buttons at the top I block because I find them space wasters.)

The extension works nicely because with a backup of my FF profile, the adblocking follows me wherever I go in my domain. I don't need to load a separate exe or program taking up resources.

Superior.

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By wincement

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:24 PM

Dude! don't jump on my back. I was just saying what I thought the reasoning was.

Man... some people get really touchy about a stupid browser...

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By Metshrine

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:25 PM

Not touchy about the browser war thing, touchy about people who act like ff made something possible that never existed before. Thats all

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By wincement

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:37 PM

Did I say that? Calm down sparky.

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By michperu

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 1:40 PM

Now. We will need a free Opera for Windows Mobile.

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By Sorb

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 1:09 PM

This is a 8.1 release at best. Where is the auto completion and built in ad blocker Opera? It´s still my favorite browser but I don´t see how they can continue to improve it now that they don´t want our money anymore.

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By wincement

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:19 PM

Umm... it's the magic wand...

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By joshpx

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 1:29 PM

"This is a 8.1 release at best."

This isn't supposed to be a feature release. That comes later, with something called "Merlin" which will have loads of goodies. Some Opera guy blogged about it.

And they will make money, be sure of it! Look at this:

http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/show.dml/22892

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By Sorb

posted Sep 21, 2005 - 2:13 PM

The Magic Wand doesn´t do what Auto Completion does. For example if I search for something at Google the search text is not saved so if I later want to make the same search I have to type it in again. And that´s just one example of how I use Auto Completion.

So since this release had no new features and was called 8.5 I suppose this "Merlin" release with some new features (probably not the ones I want) will be called Opera 11 or something.

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By Slimsl

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 1:00 PM

All i belive is Opera is the fastest web browser in earth and it's the bst for me from long time with this news i'm in love with opera
LOL

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By FataL

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 12:59 PM

Despite I have paid Opera license this is awesome! :)
gawd21: you are just funny! :)) :LOL:

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By gawd21

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 1:17 PM

I am funny eh? I am the one that is supporting a failing company that had to do a last ditch effort to save themsevles by making the crap free to try and get any where in a world full of idiots that think, just because ONE (1) magazine put Opera in a differnt group ( by it's self) and called it the fastest in that group, that it is fast. Now that is funny!

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By joshpx

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 1:30 PM

"I am the one that is supporting a failing company that had to do a last ditch effort to save themsevles by making the crap free"

Opera failing? It's been around for ten years, and Opera Software is making more money than ever, and is hiring new people like mad to keep up with demand.

You are deluding yourself if you think Opera is failing. Actually, making Opera free is a way to make even more money:

http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/show.dml/22892

You Firefox zealots sure know how to give the Firefox community a bad reputation...

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By XiND

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:56 PM

> You Firefox zealots sure know how to give the Firefox community a bad reputation...

Definitely. But I'd extend that statement to any zealot, be it for Firefox, IE or Opera.

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By gawd21

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 1:36 PM

"Opera failing? It's been around for ten years" Then why are they only like 3% if they are so damn good?

Dude you are full of crap!

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By Aussie71

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 4:28 PM

shut up you stupid f*ckhole. Opera is the best browser there is, if you want to be Bill Gates p*ssy and use that IE crap that's your problem. Nobody wants to hear your idiot ramblings here. Your mama should have b****slapped you more growing up, maybe then you wouldn't have been such an annoying little pr*ck.

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By gawd21

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:27 PM

LMAO what a total freaking retard.

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By Aussie71

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 5:37 PM

LOL, no point putting yourself down.

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By Metshrine

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 1:54 PM

They are only 3% because they were the only commercial NON-FREEWARE of the MAJOR browsers available (and in my opinion because they dont allow extensions like all other major players in the browser wars). Please dont go insulting people just because you dont like a product

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By gawd21

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 1:42 PM

I wasn't the one that started calling peoples names. You should read somethign first! No they weren't the ONLY pay one.

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By Metshrine

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 1:55 PM

and if you read too, you will see that I said of the MAJOR browsers, there are other pay browsers, but most are based off of IE, I was refering to the three major players (opera, firefox, and IE).

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By gawd21

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 7:33 PM

BTW, nice edit there, to make me look stupid? I can do that myself just fine. LOL I am sure you people will eat that up.:-)

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By PC_Tool

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:07 PM

3% makes one a MAJOR player?

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By Metshrine

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 6:08 PM

Its one of the major browsers yes, its one of the two competitors for IE. Unless you fail to read the articles that list it as such. I honestly dont consider it that major of a competitor until it hits 10%, but other articles (pc world, max pc, pc magazine, CPU (Computer Power User) all seem to list it as one of the primary competitors (and thus a major browser) in the browser wars

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By Aussie71

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 6:04 PM

Post some proof that Opera only has a 3% market share, keeping in mind that by default Opera identifies itself as IE making it's share appear smaller while at the same time making IE's appear larger. Got any facts for us there?

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By wat0114

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 8:32 PM

Well, at the risk of receiving one of your venemous attacks, unless you've exhausted all your resources on gawd21 already, I hate to burst your bubble Aussie71, but Opera's market share is hovering around a paltry 1%. Trust me, I've seen a few recent, credible articles already to make this claim. However, this latest version of Opera, from what I've seen so far, is very impressive. So if the developers continue to improve this version, I see no reason why they can't eventually gain a bigger piece of the market share pie.

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By gawd21

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 1:04 PM

Opera is NOT faster than Firefox on my system and after I installed this crap my firefox was slowed so much that it tooa while to load. I bet that Opera is pulling the old trick that Netscape pulled with IE. I will keep away from Opera. I never did care for the company.

EDIT: Damn it slowed my whole system down. I knew I shouldn't have trusted it.

As I said when you had to pay for it or had ads, "It's junk from junk and will always be junk. I am not the one that will go beond the facts just to support a program that is NOT faster and slowes down the system it's in stalled on. I had to delete the reg files for Gods sake.

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By Aussie71

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 4:29 PM

Your system is a piece of crap, don't blame Opera. Get your mama to buy you something better than a 386 before you come crying about how slow Opera is. You're a pathetic joke by the way, thanks for the laughs clownboy.

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By gawd21

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:28 PM

LMAO that is only 1 out of 6 computers and I bet that this junk is better than your retarded a** could afford in ten years so go back to school and finish your fingure painting.

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By Aussie71

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:38 PM

Mine runs Opera just fine so it's certainly better than whatever piece of sh*t you are using, assclown.

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By gawd21

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:44 PM

LMAO well when your 450m runs that slow how can you tell anyway?

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By Aussie71

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:49 PM

450 meters? Wow, you sure are a computer expert! Oh I guess you meant MHz, well I'll overlook your stupidity just this once as well as the mystical crystal ball you used to determine how fast my computer is. You were the one that said Opera ran slow and since no one else has this problem it's obvious you are the one with a piece of crap PC. Of course I doubt you've even tried Opera, your just a lying IE fanboy.

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By gawd21

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:54 PM

Oh I am an IE fanboy? LMAO you freaking retard I hate IE's crap and if you could read you woudl see that I use Firefox!!! ANd if you had the brains God gave a pissant you wouldn't need the to type MHZ when m woudl work just fine when I was clearly talking abotu the speed of yoru cpu. Damn you truly are a retarded child lost ina big bad evil mean world. It's ok little fellow, there are still some people that like you.

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By Aussie71

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 6:05 PM

You're just too lazy to type MHz, like those little AOL girls that type u instead of you. Also a fanboy is a fanboy no matter what you use; you're all a bunch of hate spewing retards who like to troll forums and tell us all how much our choice of software sucks. In other words you have no life.

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By gawd21

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 7:11 PM

So another words just like you! I never said a damn thing to you, but you attacked me and I defended. However fun it was, it was yours from the start. So call me an AOL user or a little girl or both, but don't call me the troll.

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By wat0114

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 8:10 PM

You guys are launching pure ugliness toward each other. There's nothing wrong with a friendly debate, even taking a few "harmless" shots at one another, but the filth spewing from your keyboards is mindless trash!

BTW, this looks like one version of Opera that I'll actually keep. It's a very slick product. And yes, ad muncher is the best damn advert blocker on the planet! Try it people, you won't be disappointed.

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By DigitalSin

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 4:40 PM

Ouch!

Nice :)

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By DigitalSin

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:22 PM

This is total bull.

This is a joke, right?

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By joshpx

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 1:31 PM

Opera slowed down Firefox and your system?

Yeah, right.

How come no one else has experienced this?

Look, if you don't like Opera that's fine. But don't go around lying about it and giving other Firefox fans a bad reputation.

Your lies here are just you being defensive because you know that Opera is going to kick Firefox's butt :)

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By gawd21

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 1:54 PM

http://www.google.com/se...&btnG=Google+Search

Look for your self.

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By DigitalSin

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:18 PM

Yes, we can google too.

http://www.google.com/se...test%22&btnG=Search

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By Metshrine

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 1:18 PM

I am not sure what your talking about, I have experienced NO slows downs on the following configs:

Pentium 2 450mhz
192MB Ram
Windows 2000

Pentium 233mhz
192MB Ram
Windows 98SE

Athlon 64 3400+
1GB Ram
Windows XP SP2

What exactly is it that you hate about opera? I think the ONLY thing I dont like about it is its lack of 3rd party support to allow for the utmost customization and addition of functionality to the browser. They choose to remain closed and until the day comes that they open their doors to 3rd parties, I will be a firefox user. Opera is a great browser, it is VERY VERY fast, and its rendering engine is top notch, but it doesnt allow me to do what I WANT with it, without regards for whats included in the browser.

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By gawd21

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 1:28 PM

Well it's ugly. And it did slow down everything until I removed it and deleted the file in my Programfiles and removed the reg entries. After it's install it took Firefox almost a minute to load. Opera took about 30 seconds. Normally Firefox will load in about 2 seconds maybe 3 if I just rebooted.

This isn't the fastest of computers, but it shouldn't have slowed down from a almost 6 meg install. p4 2.4g
1g pc 3200
60G boot drive and two 160g back ups.

Clean install of XP Pro sp2 as of lastnight.

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By rpavl

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:01 PM

thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard....go buy a new pc

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By Aussie71

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 4:31 PM

Bullsh*t, Opera does not affect any other programs on anyones system. Your so full of sh*t it's beginning to stink even over the internet. Moron.

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By gawd21

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:30 PM

What a retard!

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By Aussie71

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 5:43 PM

Is that the best defense you can come up with? You are a liar, and a stupid one. No one believes your crap so go cry somewhere else you c***.

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By gawd21

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:47 PM

LMAO LMAO I pasted a Google link with a lot of other people that had te SAME problem.

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By Aussie71

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:51 PM

Ooh, a link to Google? I can find Google links that prove there are aliens, that's about how reliable that crap is. Someone else posted a Google link refuting your Google link also, what say you about that funny man?

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By fewt

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 6:09 PM

http://www.google.com/se...&btnG=Google+Search

How about John Titor?

Brilliant fraud, or solder from the future?

(heh)

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By gawd21

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:59 PM

How do refute that someone has problems with a program? Are you that stupid? It's called abug retard.

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By Aussie71

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 6:02 PM

No, you're that stupid. I'm not sure what abug is but I've used Opera for years and I've never encountered any problems with abugs, and it's by far the fastest loading browser there is. You want facts, look at the file sizes. Check the memory usage. These are things that can be proven unlike your pathetic Google links citing other fanboy retard claims like yours. Try again crap for brains.

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By gawd21

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 7:36 PM

LMAO You need to get out of the little box you live in. Look around, just because something didn't happen to you doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. No one has ever stolen your car so people don't steal cars? Have you been to China? So is the world flat?

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By Metshrine

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 1:36 PM

What exactly is ugly about it? The new version touts a minimalistic interface just like FF (My current default browser, I already stated why opera isnt my default). Opera loads for me in about 6 seconds, on my 3400+, and firefox loads in about 4. I dont consider that slow nor has it slowed down any loading of any pages in my other browsers.

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By gawd21

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 1:45 PM

I am not talking page load times I am talking program load times. Everything about it is ugly. The whole task area looks like a twisted IE/FF mix that fell and was put togther by a young child that still didn't know it's colors.

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By Skyfrog

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 3:19 PM

Looks like someone wants some attention.

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By gawd21

edited Sep 20, 2005 - 5:51 PM

Waaaaa I want attention... I stated an opinion and got flamed, yet I am the one that wants attention. Bah another retarded child.

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By Metshrine

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 2:24 PM

And if you noticed, my post includes PROGRAM LOAD TIMES

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By d3bruts1d

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 12:51 PM

I've seen a lot of complaints on other news sites already from people who purchased Opera here recently. Anyone who purchased Opera in the last 30 days is eligible for a full refund.

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By midfingr

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 12:27 PM

Awesome!

I wonder if this will add to the 'fire' in the browse battle...

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By DigitalSin

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 12:22 PM

WOW!

That is amazing! Good job Opera!

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By sophist_dreams

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 12:13 PM

They didnt do it because no one wanted to pay for the add free version....yeah right.

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By rpavl

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:02 PM

Opera sold over 2.3 million copies of its browser in paid form... lotsa money there must be something worth something

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By gawd21

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 5:48 PM

I would LOVE to see some facts on that.

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By PC_Tool

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 11:55 AM

Hmm....

Speedier page loads at the cost of having to download a new browser, a new adblocker, and renaming all of my greasemonkey scripts.

That's a damn tough call, mate.

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By venimus

edited Sep 25, 2005 - 1:51 PM

All about blocking ads in Opera.

NO EXTERNAL SOFTWARE!

http://nontroppo.org/wiki/BlockAdvertisements

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By mxforce

posted Sep 20, 2005 - 11:54 AM

Yesssssssssssssssss!

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