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Over two dozen companies subpoenaed in Vista Capable case

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

March 26, 2008, 2:07 PM

Several tech companies along with some analyst groups have been asked by the plaintiffs to testify as part of the class-action lawsuit against Microsoft over Vista.

Seattle Post-Intelligencer reporter Todd Bishop has dug up the list of 28 companies that have received subpoenas as part of the case. Former Windows chief Jim Allchin is the only individual listed in this list that has been asked to appear.

On the list are Acer, Dell, Hewlett Packard, and IBM -- whose executives appeared in an earlier-released filing of internal e-mails over the project. Retailers included are Best Buy, Amazon, and Wal-Mart, and analyst groups Gartner, NPD, and the Enderle Group.

Intel, whose 915 chipset was a large focus of the e-mails sent back and forth, will also testify. While those e-mails blew the doors wide open on what many see as malfeasance by Microsoft, the plaintiffs are seeking more internal documents to bolster their case.

What is being looked for in these newly requested documents is any discussion on whether Basic should be marketed as Vista, or information on how Vista Capable PCs should be priced.

It is not immediately clear if their efforts will be successful. Microsoft and the companies are fighting back: the Redmond company is disputing the case's class action status, while other companies have filed objections.

The plaintiff's central argument seems to revolve around Windows Vista Home Basic, which lacks much of the visual punch of the new OS. While Microsoft maintains it is an improvement over XP, others argue it shouldn't be considered a significant upgrade enough for computers capable of running it to display the "Vista Capable" logo.

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By rsx508

posted Mar 27, 2008 - 1:48 PM

Anyone who bought (or buys) Vista Home Basic is admitting to being a complete idiot. There's no technical merit nor any rationale for it besides being stupid. Home Premium, maybe. Home Basic, no. I have no sympathy for idiots. Idiots are what cause traffic jams and stupid rules that the rest of us have to suffer with throughout our lives.

So they bought a computer and it said it could run Vista but they didn't bother to read the specs and compare it with what was actually posted (long before) on the Microsoft web site. These are the same people that buy cars without test driving them or order food without checking to see if they're allergic to the ingredients. The gene pool needs thinning.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 27, 2008 - 3:34 PM

lmao...

Yeah, and there are no benefits to Vista other than the pretty UI...

Sorry, Vist Basic has the same underpinnings as Vista Ultimate which include better memory allocation and usage and greater security via the updated kernel to name just two.

I'd rather have Grandmas using Vista Basic than XP any day. Fewer calls to their grandchildren...

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By davidlerner

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 5:08 PM

Microsoft has made a lot of errors in their marketing tactics for Vista. Seriously, they need to learn from Mac and create one version of Vista that would do everything. That would definitely convince me to switch over from my beloved XP.
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By michaelf1965

edited Mar 27, 2008 - 3:24 PM

Multiple versions = customer confusion = dissatisfaction

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By lvthunder

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 5:35 PM

They can't create just one version of the OS. The EU saw to that. Now I do think they don't need so many versions I can see a Home, Business, Ultimate, and whatever version the EU forces Microsoft to sell that no one will buy.

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By Niro

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 4:59 PM

"The plaintiff's central argument seems to revolve around Windows Vista Home Basic, which lacks much of the visual punch of the new OS. While Microsoft maintains it is an improvement over XP, others argue it shouldn't be considered a significant upgrade enough for computers capable of running it to display the "Vista Capable" logo."

That is insanity. The judge hasn't tossed this case out yet?? Just because it doesn't have the same visual improvements that vista permium has it's not a significant enough upgrade over XP for computers that can run it to be labeled vista capbale? C'mon...this is just plain retarted.

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By Tenoq

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 9:19 PM

There's a little bit more to the case than that. Have you not read any of the previous news on this one? Or the original filing?

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By dvferret

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 6:48 PM

Exactly what Im thinking. Just pathetic.

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By daq

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 10:34 PM

Agreed. If this case is not thrown out, I'm moving to Canada.

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By alphatrigon

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 3:57 PM

so...if I have an old hp, and it can run vista basic fine...I can't call it vista capable? I have to confer with this plaintiff to see if they will let the heavens permit me to say "capable"? Vista basic is Vista. Vista starter is also Vista...ahh, lawsuits in this world

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By limbeaux

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 3:20 PM

read: http://blog.seattlepi.nw...ry/vistaexhibitsone.pdf
I agree with god. MS made the whole vista thing too complicated. Odds are if you read beta news, then you have enough computer experience to understand what "Capable" means. i will use 2 examples that MS should have considered 1) end user on my network tells me all her programs have been erased, couldnt work and was going to get fired. -- She accidently hid desktop icons. She had no clue how to use the start menu.
2)I saw cheap speakers labeled "MP3 READY" can you imagine the number of people who bought those speakers to play mp3?
If you are going to run a marketing campaign, then should think through every aspect. If you are unclear, then you will end up with bad customer experince.

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By Hollywood__

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 2:54 PM

Vista Home Premium here for over a year, not one problem with software, hardware, etc... Unfortunately, the bulk of the population is borderline retarded and has no problem solving abilities.

This is why Vista is such a mess, You have to be fairly intelligent to understand the new UI and get certain things to work. Try getting Vista to record to a program like Audacity directly from the sound card.

I figured it out. Vista is only for people who can pass the MENSA test in my opinion.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 3:06 PM

Unless the bar for MENSA has dropped considerably in the past 10 years or so, I think you're exaggerating just a teensy bit. :p

The problem with Audacity is likely the new audio subsystem in Vista, which was a complete rewrite from XP. It doesn't surprise me that many audio applications that depended on XP's way of doing things may have some issues.

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By tscar13

posted Mar 27, 2008 - 3:29 PM

I agree with you. The problem is that it is up to 3rd party software companies to make their software work. It is MS responsibility to get them the code which they did. A lot of companies simple did nothing about updating their software to work with Vista. UPS is one. So, in this issue, I think the 3rd party software companies dropped the ball but then MS is such a big target. Unlike Apple which generally doesn't support 3rd party software, MS has and this may come back to haunt them as they try and shore up Vista's internal defences against hackers but it's not MS fault that these 3rd party software companies sat on their A^^ and now are whining.

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By lvthunder

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 2:42 PM

Unless you bought Vista from Microsoft you shouldn't be allowed to sue because your computer don't run well. You should be mad at your computer maker. No one held a gun to anyones head and said sell this computer that runs like a POS. If I ran a computer company I wouldn't sell a PC that runs as slow as some of these run. Most of them all you need to do is double the ram and it runs significantly better. That's why Apple does well. OSX runs fine on every computer they sell.

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By dvferret

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 6:49 PM

Had they actually let other companies build computers with OSX built in, then they would be having the same issue.

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By God Dammit

posted Mar 26, 2008 - 2:25 PM

Microsoft should have just simplified things and stuck with a single "Designed for Windows Vista" logo. Microsoft already told the computer illiterate crowd in plain english what type of hardware they need to get Aero Glass before Vista even launched so a single "Designed for Windows Vista" logo would have caused very little, if any, consumer confusion.

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