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PS3 Price Cut in US Only Temporary

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

July 13, 2007, 11:38 AM

Sony Computer Entertainment Europe president David Reeves may have let something slip that American consumers weren't supposed to know: there really is no "price cut" for the PS3.

Instead, production on 60GB models in North America has apparently been halted in favor of the new 80GB version. When supplies run out, consumers would be left only with the new PS3 model, which retails for $599 USD, same as the old price of the 60GB model.

The admission of the plan came in response to a question from a Gamesindustry.biz reporter on why the lower price option was not offered by the European arm of the company.

"All they're doing is taking their stock in trade that they've got at the moment of the 60GB model, marking the price down and it will all be gone by the end of July," Reeves said. He then added that the 60GB PS3 would no longer be available in the United States.

No price cut will be offered in Europe; some retailers will instead bundle two games and two controllers rather than lowering the price. The 80GB PS3 model would not be available in Europe in the near feature either, Reeves said.

Although it has an upgraded hard drive, the new 80GB model also removes a feature that may be important to some. It lacks Sony's "Emotion" chip like the PAL European model, meaning that the console would only be compatible with 88 percent of legacy games versus the 100 percent compatibility with current models.

Reeves also defended the PS3's high price in Europe.

"It is [a lot], but surprisingly, people are paying that amount of money for it. Now they'll get two games and an extra controller as well," he argued. "It's not just a games machine as you know - you can play Blu-ray movies, you can download games from the network, you can browse the Internet and you can play music on it."


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12:00 pm ET July 14, 2007 -Sony issued a statement late Friday confirming that it will no longer be producing the 60GB PS3. Once inventories are sold out, only the 80GB PS3 -- priced at $599 USD -- will be available.

According to Dave Karraker of Sony Computer Entertainment of America, "The 60GB PS3 will be available in North America for $499 until supplies of that unit are depleted. We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come. We won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated."

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By darkzero63

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 3:15 PM

So let me get this straight- They said they wont make a decision on the 80 gig model until current inventory is sold out?? LOL... good luck with that one Sony.

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Jul 16, 2007 - 3:21 PM

It's happening quicker than you might think. Have a walk by your local BestBuy, and tell the truth, they are selling like hot cakes...

Perhaps people have heard, that GTA IV won't fit onto 1 DVD for the 360. LOL!!

"Yet more rumors circling certain E3 parties suggested that Rockstar is having trouble squeezing the giant game onto one Xbox 360 disk."

http://www.gamesradar.co...eId=2006030811812750059

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By SGD

edited Jul 16, 2007 - 4:22 PM

Oh my God you're on the pathetic kick my disk holds more than yours again. Give it up already. Maybe all the pad files on the PS3 version that are needed to stream the data fast enough won't fit on a DVD who cares. Multi disks are no big deal. Your point is stupid at most. Are you running out of original nonesense pig-pen, opps linus.

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By Benjamin Linus

edited Jul 16, 2007 - 4:44 PM

You know the 2xBD drive is faster than the 360's 12x drive right? The 360 is CAV, the BD is CLV, the 360 is only 8x on DVD9.

If you did, you wouldn't be making yourself look an idiot by claiming it's slower.

Multi disks suck. Imgine driving a large open map like GTA, going onto a bridge, and having to get up and swap the disc.. That sucks.

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By kashin

posted Jul 17, 2007 - 2:35 AM

"Multi disks suck. Imgine driving a large open map like GTA, going onto a bridge, and having to get up and swap the disc.. That sucks."

Nice try there, Sherlock, because we know they would split the game RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the action. Each time I read your posts, they get more and more pathetic and transparent.

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By SGD

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 4:52 PM

Yeah ok what ever you say. That's why there is data multiple times on Blo-ray since its so fast. Your stats mean nothing since you prove to full of BS

Now here is an awesome deal.

http://www.dvdtown.com/n...s-99-hd-dvd-player/4597

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 5:06 PM

You know that $99 deal is only open to people at the show, and it's $200 a ticket!!!

Bargain, NOT.

How about this for data duplication on the 360 too...

http://videogames.yahoo....oblivion/preview-503978

"Bethesda's Pete Hines also commented that recent reports of data duplication on the PS3 Oblivion disc have been exaggerated, and this technique isn't different from the similar strategy that was employed in the creation of the Xbox 360 game last year. "

Your Microsoft funded FUD is starting to fall apart badly, last week you claimed that MetalGearSolid4 was coming to the 360 (false), and that there were no reliability issues with the 360.

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By SGD

edited Jul 16, 2007 - 7:32 PM

You lie again I said that it may come to the 360. I said that Unreal is coming after you said it was an exclusive one the blo-ray equiped POS

You like to put words in peoples mouths

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By Ray Dorset

posted Jul 17, 2007 - 5:59 AM

I notice with interest, you skip over his point about the data duplication on the 360 version also.

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By SGD

posted Jul 17, 2007 - 6:41 AM

At this time I do not have the time to find the links to prove him wrong. I actually have a job and a family. He has been proven so many times it is actually pointless. I already proved him wrong with my Unreal point so why make him look like a total fool!

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By siryak

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 7:48 PM

"You like to put words in peoples mouths"

Ofcourse he does. If he doesn't then he looks like the idiot. Oh wait...

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By terminalx

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 6:11 PM

It has not been completely ruled out that mgs4 is not coming to xbox360.

If sales don't pick up for the ps3 you really think konami will stay loyal to Sony, keep dreaming.

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By Steve Austin

edited Jul 17, 2007 - 3:07 AM

MGS4 is a confirmed PS3 exclusive regardless. Any 360 owner that thinks otherwise is dreaming.

Unreal Tournement is not coming to 360 until mid 2008, and then without mods (no user content on XBL), the PS3 version can share mods between the PC version.

Haze is not coming to 360, not Killzone, nor Warhawk, nor Drakes Fortune, Not R&C TOD, no Crysis, No LittleBigPlanet, No FF XIII

Many of these are not coming to 360 for technical reasons, lack of drive DVD space, no Cell BBE. MGS is already on a 50GB Blu-Ray disk. Do you really think it come to 360 on 5x DVD's?

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By Dsfargeg

posted Jul 17, 2007 - 9:01 AM

Yet more lies from the Sony fanatics...
The PS3 version cannot share mods with the PC version, it will require special mods tailored for the PS3.

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By SGD

posted Jul 17, 2007 - 6:48 AM

That is about the gayest statement that you have made. Every system has its share of excellent exclusive titles. I bet the POS3 won't get Mario anytime soon or Halo3. You say that Halo is avergae at best fine I think that metal gear is stupid. If you don't like the exclusives does it really matter. I would rather have a system that has games that I enjoy. So far I find the POS3 to be a major disappointment.

Aer you getting Bioshock, Mass Effect and others? The reviews have said Warhawk was less then exciting, not to mention it is online only. At least that is what I've been seen so far. I'll pass on the titles you mentioned.

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By siryak

posted Jul 17, 2007 - 9:54 AM

Couldn't agree more. The majority of PS3 games is made for the home crowd, which is why there are so many RPG games and a lacking of FPS games. The simple fact is if you want to play FPS the 360 is the obvious way to go.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 5:24 PM

"You know that $99 deal is only open to people at the show, and it's $200 a ticket!!!"

That still makes it cheaper than a Blo-job, oops, I mean blu-ray.

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By mshulman

edited Jul 16, 2007 - 3:41 PM

WHAT!?!?!? You mean I might actually have to get up of my fat a** to change DVD's some 20+ hours into a game!

I'm off to the store now to get a PS3. Screw MS and their crappy 360!

Ok, sarcasm aside.. does it really matter that GTA IV won't fit on a single disc? I hardly think it does.

In fact, I am pretty close to buying a PS3 and I'd still probably get GTA on the 360 as I will all the other games that are made for both consoles.

EDIT - And for the record, the comment hardly indicates that there will definetely be 2 discs for 360 version. Plus I'd hardly say the PS3 is selling like hotcakes - improved maybe, but that's probably it and only because people think the $100 drop is not here to stay. That's namely the reason I am going to get one.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 4:41 PM

Lets hope you don't drive beween islands too often in the game, as this is where the disk swapping is likely to be..

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By SGD

edited Jul 17, 2007 - 6:53 AM

You think you have it all figured out. Like I have said before game code is not the space waster it is motion video that frankly I could care less about. Plus I do not plan on buying the game on either system since the violence is excessive and unneeded.

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By siryak

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 5:31 PM

"Lets hope you don't drive beween islands too often in the game, as this is where the disk swapping is likely to be.."

You just got it all figured out don't you. It is very unlikely it will be on 2 disc. If it does they will integrate it in a very seamless way where you wont haft to be swapping out disc constantly.

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By ArcHammer

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 3:03 AM

I love BetaNews cause 98 percent of comments turn into flame wars. So let me add my bit.

While I am not Microsoft or sony fanboi (Have a ps1 ps2, xbox, and 360) Sony got it all wrong with this console.

While it packs all this cutting edge technology into one unit the price isnt right. While Microsoft has production issues, or quality issues, the newer models should resolve what seems to be their huge crux, what MS got right was the price. Its cheap (relative) and may not have all in one, but you can get the addons and while in the end you may pay more i believe more users rather peice mail a system then pay upwards of 600.

Im not knocking the tech although removal of the hardware chipped ps2 engine was a mistake, the system is just to much for the average consumer. Thats why the WII is doing so well, its cheap, fun, and while it might not be the cow + milk you can buy either later on if you so choose.

While Id love to respect what you say Steve your Handle is the name of a wrestler that beat his wife while taking roids. I dont usually listen to people like that for my info ;)

Flame on

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By JeremyGNJ

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 9:19 AM

It's true. A very large amount of the high-end consoles that get sold are to younger people who can't afford it themselves.

Its much easier to talk parents into spending $300 and then $400 and then $200 then it is to get them to spend $600 all at once.

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By Steve Austin

edited Jul 16, 2007 - 3:32 AM

It's also a very common name! (and the name of the six million dollar man)..

Anyway, yes, the 360 is total junk. What will all of them potentially failing prematurely due to overheating, it now seems there is a mass recall due to faulty hard drives.. Oh Dear...

http://kotaku.com/gaming...l-360-recall-278562.php

http://www.efluxmedia.co...re_Defective_07002.html

http://www.crn.com.au/st...85600&src=site-marq

http://kotaku.com/gaming...failure-rate-241794.php

http://gamepolitics.com/...ailure-rate-do-the-math/

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 5:31 PM

"Anyway, yes, the 360 is total junk."

Sure it is. That's why it's out selling the PS3 and has more games and exclusives.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jul 17, 2007 - 1:21 AM

And Steve runs away again. He can't spin those facts.

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By SGD

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 12:20 PM

You keep posting the same crap and fail to mention that MS is doing the right thing by fixing the problem. What part of that are you missing. I am tired of you missing the most important part of the equation. But then again you are to in love with $ony to understand the real world. At least their console is selling and has actual games to play. That is more than can be said about your beloved POS3.

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By pridewalker

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 3:21 PM

"...MS is doing the right thing by fixing the problem."

With all due respect, they're only fixing part of the problem.

The 3 ROD is only an indicator of an issue in one area of the console's hardware, and isn't neccesarily specific.

There are many other problems with the 360, that MS refuses to acknowledge (publicly at least): Dvd drives that quit reading 360 discs reliable, Dvd drives that are scratching the discs, overheating indicated by 2 rod, etc. Hell, even Bethesda is being quoted as saying at E3 "I do have a backup should one Xbox 360 fail ... evidently they do that sometimes."

The MS fans (of which I used to count myself) are right about one thing: they do have the best games ATM, on the best online service. Too bad that doesn't mean anything if the hardware isn't reliable enough to take advantage.

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By Benjamin Linus

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 3:15 PM

Last time I heard, they weren't fixing them, they were patching them up, and sending them back. Most people know people that are on at least their 2nd console.

You only have to look at the modifications Microsoft have do, it's easy to see they are not fixing them properly, add-on heatsink, glueing the CPU in place, and turning the fan speeds up? All sound like hacks to me.

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By SGD

edited Jul 16, 2007 - 4:53 PM

Yeah they are going to temp fix the system so they can fix it again at their expense you are fool if you think that is the plan. But then again we already know the answer to that.

My PS2 won't read disks Sony hasn't done anything but say they'd fix for it over $100. Hum I can by a new one for a little more than that and Sony can add an other sale to the count. Sony drives suck by the way. Can't wait till the Sony fanboys start getting read errors again or the little blue light dies.

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By siryak

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 5:33 PM

Don't forget the fact that you would probably haft to pay shipping. With MS they pay it for you.

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By SGD

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 8:55 AM

You are far from the six million dollar man.

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By SlapShot

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 8:10 AM

Steve called something junk, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 12:29 PM

Steve posted a lot of links, not one of which actually proves a f*cking thing.

LMAO.

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By SlapShot

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 5:43 PM

i didn't even bother reading them, i figured why waste time

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By siryak

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 7:50 PM

Pretty much. I mean why waste your time when he didn't bother to read them himself most likely.

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By Ramhound

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 11:09 PM

Steve Austin

If what you say is true about the Nintendo Wii, why wouldn't Sony do something similar?

This just goes to show your making a statement based on nothing but your view of the Nintendo Wii.

The fact is the Nintendo Wii is selling more units each month then any other console system. Till this changes lets not make up stuff about the lack of supply.

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By kashin

posted Jul 17, 2007 - 2:42 AM

"The fact is the Nintendo Wii is selling more units each month then any other console system."

You should say the Wii is selling more than all other consoles COMBINED. Last month the Wii sold 5 times more than the PS3, yet the Sony zealots around here are convinced the PS3 is doing great and catching up. My favorite is when the try to say that the PS3 has sold more units than the 360 did last year, this far into its life cycle. Now if we use that same logic and look at the Wii, since it's well out-pacing the PS3, then it must be selling at incredible rates! I mean, in the last 3 months alone, the Wii went from selling 3 times, to 4 times, to 5 times more units than the PS3. Burn Sony, burn.

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By siryak

posted Jul 17, 2007 - 9:56 AM

The reason they look at last years sales is because the 360 is winning in the present. Which if sales are better now than they were a year ago that tells you something.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 8:02 PM

I suppose it's a "Get it while it's hot" situation.

It's pretty s***ty that they aren't (at least as yet) announcing a $100 cut on the whole range.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 7:52 PM

The facts from the top management at Sony themselves -

"global head of Sony Computer Entertainment settled the matter once and for all.

Speaking to Norwegian game-news outlet VGTV, SCEI president and group CEO Kaz Hirai said in no uncertain terms that the 60GB PS3's days are numbered.

"From a hardware perspective, the $499 price adjustment we did for the 60GB version for the American market, we're no longer in production for that product," he said in an unedited on-camera interview.
"Once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to a $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two-price strategy in the US market.
We found out very early on how consumers react to having just one SKU as opposed to two."

SCEA has subsequently confirmed the phase out, but emphasized that it would be gradual.

"The 60GB PS3 will be available in North America for $499 until supplies of that unit are depleted," Karraker told GameSpot in a follow-up interview.
"We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come."


http://uk.gamespot.com/n...amp;tag=newstop;title;1

Sony says the 60gb really is dead -

On the same day the price cut was announced, Sony announced a new 80GB PS3, a console that will be bundled with Motorstorm and will retail for $599, the same as the first.
The price cut for the 60GB PS3 was never intended to be a permanent cut for the product; it was only intended to clear out stock for the new version to be sold at the old price.
GameSpot has reported that Kaz Hirai, Sony Computer Entertainment's CEO and President, has confirmed in a video interview that the 60GB PS3s are no longer in production, and that all new PS3s will be 80GB models to be sold at $599.


http://news.com.com/8301...ws&tag=2547-1_3-0-5

- Of course your Sony heros might be lying to you again?

It's not false, stop lying (again) Steve.

Wake up, stop shilling & try reality for a change, huh?

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By Ray Dorset

edited Jul 16, 2007 - 11:58 AM

I don't see anyone lying, all I see is a genuine price drop. Last week the PS3 was $599, the same item today is $499. OK, so it may not be around forever, but who wants to bet, as soon as the 60GB units are all sold, the 80GB ones will drop to $499 (without Motorstorm).

Sony have been honest, the XBots have been out and twisted everyones statements.

I can understand why they are annoyed however, as there is no MGS4, no Unreal Tounrments until next year, no UT mods, no Killzone, no Haze, no Warhawk, all they get is failed units and scratched discs, a new green Xbox (20GB/noHDMI) and a underwhelming Halo 3..

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By kashin

posted Jul 17, 2007 - 2:46 AM

"Sony have been honest"

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA hold on, let me catch my breath.. and here we go.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Hilarious.

Anyway, a few days ago you Sony cheerleaders were all over this article, saying it was rubbish and that the 60GB model's price drop was a permanent thing. Now that you turned out to be WRONG, you're whistling a whole different tune. It's amazing how much alike Sony and their fanboys are.

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By siryak

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 12:36 PM

ROFL! You forgot to mention Mass Effect, Bioshock, COD 4(with an exclusive beta coming to 360), Medal Of Honor, Fracture, Ace Combat 6.

MGS did not look that great. Unreal Tournament is coming out EARLY next year, no biggie there. Haze is a timed exclusive as well. Warhawk doesn't look like anything earth shattering. The only game that really impressed me from $ony was Killzone.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 12:01 PM

Your desperate shilling (& lying) is hilarious Ray.

Do please keep it up as if gives me a great big laugh every day I see your, er, 'thoughts'.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 5:20 PM

Anyone know why BetaRumours are still show this as their featured article, as it's been know to be false for 3 days now...

Funny the 360 30% failure rate story was never featured, and disappeared of the front page very quickly. Hmm.

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By ogar

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 6:00 PM

Stev Austin.

Instead of being an idiot and making comments you do not have the right info on you should take your fanboy hat off and to some reading.
The 60 gig is being discontinued and the 80 gig will be 599.
This is official straight from Sony.

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By bigsexy022870

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 3:14 PM

PS3 is crap anyways. So who cares.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 3:23 PM

Says you.. Some people think it's expensive, but few actually think it's crap.

I think crap, is a system where 1/3rd of produced units have already failed, with numbers rising all the time...

If you want to see crap, look no further: http://www.theinquirer.n...ault.aspx?article=40933

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jul 17, 2007 - 1:36 AM

"Says you.. Some people think it's expensive, but few actually think it's crap."

Apparently he's not the only one. It is the worst selling next gen system out now.

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By SGD

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 10:39 AM

Looking at slow sales many have the same feeling about the PS3. I don't see Nintendo or MS dropping the price to stimulate sales.

They have enough units in stock for a couple of months proves crap sales as they have been sitting in warehouses collecting dust. Time for a fire sale.

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By siryak

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 5:57 PM

Your right...That is a pretty crappy source.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 3:54 PM

"crap, is a system where 1/3rd of produced units have already failed, with numbers rising all the time..."

- Naaaa; "crap" is what you call the kind of transparent lying shills who pretend things like a 30% failure rate is a solid known fact and who leap to repeat it at any & every opportunity.

'Deluded tragic idiot' would be another apt term for the kind of ludicrous cretin who posts here as if they are waging their own little PR 'campaign'.

'Sad dreary little f*ckwits' would be an appropriate term for the kind of risible imagination-free marketing fools who 'think' their little 'viral marketing' efforts are doing anything but making them and their product and brand a laughing-stock and little more than a target of derision for perfectly 'regular people' offended by their obvious, condescending, lying and manipulative BS.

.....and the PS3?
Pppppppfffffhhhhh.
Bag-o-Sh*te (or 'sack of cack' if you prefer).

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 3:56 PM

Sounds like I hit a raw nerve...

30% failure rate is widely accepted...

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 11:57 PM

"Sounds like I hit a raw nerve..."

Sounds like something Mark would say. Hello Mark.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 7:49 PM

"Sounds like I hit a raw nerve..."

- You (so obviously) wish.

But it only happened that way in your own sad, pathetic & laughably deluded day-dreams.

Wake up & try reality for a change.

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By siryak

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 5:56 PM

"30% failure rate is widely accepted..."

By who? The Sony Cheerleaders? I know this may come as a shock...But the Sony Cheerleading Squad does not represent "widely accepted."

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By pitdingo

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 6:04 PM

oh, i don't know, look around at all the tech news sites, and you will see it on every one.

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By siryak

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 12:09 AM

Which they "created" based on 2 stores

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By pitdingo

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 8:30 AM

well, i guess it is impossible for a xbot fanboi to ever belive anything could be wrong with their beloved system, now isn't it.

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By siryak

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 5:35 PM

No I just don't take numbers from 2 out of millions of stores and try to pass them as fact. I have seen stores say they had the majority of their PS3s fail. Does that mean that the PS3 has a large failure rate too?

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By SGD

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 9:00 AM

Even if it was true MS is doing something that $Ony never would and that is called fixing the problem. I know you and all the other $Ony shills know all about engineering and how the fix won't work and all so before you start, shut that hole below your nose. Move along.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 12:12 PM

True.

To their credit they (Microsoft) have openly & publicly admitted the problem.
They then set aside as stack of cash to sort out anyone with those problems.
They then created a new 3 year guarantee for all customers (going back to day 1 of the 360's release).

Now there are those who'll bend over backwards try to find any comment favourable to these events as 'fanboy-ish' and who will only bash these welcome developments......

..... but that just tells you everything you need to know about their real 'agenda' - no matter how much they might pretend & try to make out they're objective about all of this.

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By pitdingo

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 2:09 PM

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8056

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 4:26 PM

Wow, stop the presses; a retailer somewhere in the world is reported as dropping a product.

Wow, what concrete & conclusive 'proof' of everything, Mr Neutral, eh?

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By darkzero63

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 1:30 PM

So with no Emotion Engine does that mean that ps3's aren't backwards compatible with the previous playstations? That blows.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 1:48 PM

No, it does not mean this at all.

With the Emotion Engine, PS3 backwards compatability has been tested to be 97% of PS2/PS1 titles

With no Emotion Engine, the Euro PS3 compatability has been tested to be 92% of PS2/PS1 titles. That's over 2,700 titles supported.

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By kashin

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 3:09 PM

Why do you keep posting these made up numbers over and over again? I must've seen you post them at least a dozen times thus far. Where do you get 97% for the Emotion Engine? I think it's closer to 99% or above, considering it's the actual chip found in the PS2. Also, where do you get the 92% for the emulator? That is total and utter BS and you know it. Emulation will never EVER be anywhere close to the real thing, which is the Emotion Engine. Next you're going to post some links to Sony's site or some fan site to prove it's true, right? Because Sony and their fans would NEVER lie about this sort of thing.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 3:19 PM

It's from testing

http://www.betanews.com/...ility_Issues/1163518067

3% of titles have problems.. Last time I was at school, 100 - 3 = 97.

The same process was used to calculate the PAL unit's software compatbility, from the results on the EU compatability site. When it launched, it's was 87%, newer firmwares bring this up to 92%

http://faq.eu.playstation.com/bc/bcGames.htm

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By siryak

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 6:05 PM

Ah and yet nowhere on that article does it say anything about the compatible through emulation.

I also found one of Marks comments a quite interesting read. Mark Gillespie the original Sony fanboy of Betanews himself stated "Sony has problems with the slim PS2 not playing early PS2 games..."

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By SGD

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 9:02 AM

That shut him up.

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By siryak

edited Jul 17, 2007 - 9:58 AM

He uses the hit an run technique. He slings his crap and runs like hell.

Edit: Nvm it is more of a poke and run. Can't really call his comments a hit lol.

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By ShaunTheSheep

edited Jul 15, 2007 - 12:52 PM

Well, the $100 drop swayed me. Went down to BestBuy, and picked up a PS3, sent off for my 5 free Blu-Ray movies, and picked up a copy of The Departed instore. I also picked up Motorstorm, ans rented a couple of other games.

So far, I am really impressed, the unit is quiet, and looks really nice under my TV (42in Plasma). The Blu-Ray movie I tried looked fantastic, and ALOT better than DVD. I also noticed how much better the upscaled DVDs looked compared to my old Denon DVD player.

I have only played Motorstorm so far, but it rocks, is really good fun. I also downloaded SuperStardustHD on a friends recommendation for $8, and that is awesome also.

I am totally converted. I am seriously considering putting my 360 on ebay!

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By pitdingo

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 6:06 PM

I am thinking the same thing. I just wonder how big of a hit we will take on the 360 since they are all defective.

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By kashin

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 11:01 PM

"We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come."

No way! Really?! But I thought the Sony fanboys around here were convinced the PS3 was selling like hot cakes? Apparently they have an enormous pile of PS3s collecting dust. How can this be?? It's unimaginable!

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By Dsfargeg

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 7:36 AM

Indeed, there we have it right out of the mouth of the horse that the PS3 is just catching dust on retailer's shelves, otherwise they wouldn't have "ample inventory".
This reeks of desperation - they know they have to get rid of the dustcatchers first just so they can push their new crippled version without Emotion Engine. Offering them side-by-side, the 80GB one is an even bigger lead weight, as only complete and utter retards pay $100 more for a console which is crippled compared to the cheaper one and only has tiny 20GB more.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 12:20 PM

Well production is in full swing, not restrained like Wii (to create a sense of fake desirability).

Of course there is spare inventory. However, it seems many stores are selling out of PS3s at $499, so if you want one, better get in there quick...

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By eoswald

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 3:10 PM

Steve, please. The Wii is outselling everyone by wide margins. It's not faked.. its ACTUAL DATA, and REAL DEMAND. Come on, now you're just being ridiculous.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 5:17 PM

Nintendo is restricting sales to keep shelves empty. and keep up that desirability.

"Hey the shelves are empty, the Wii must be REALLY god"...

Consumers are stupid, and can be fooled easily by things like this.

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By SGD

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 9:03 AM

Wow you must also work for Nintendo to know this. Idiot!

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By pitdingo

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 6:15 PM

lol. right. The Wii is selling around 800,000+ a month worldwide. You really think Nintendo, Sony or Micro$oft for that matter, would artifically limit the number of consoles in the marketplace?

In this industry, you sell as many as you can as fast as you can. The more hardware you sell, the more software you will sell. And the software is where you make the most money.

Your logic makes zero business sense.

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By siryak

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 6:08 PM

ROFL! Wow you guys really at least need to try and keep your BS where it is not so obvious.

Sony couldn't give a false sense of desirability if they tried. They can't ever get the shelves empty!

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By kashin

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 3:07 PM

"However, it seems many stores are selling out of PS3s at $499, so if you want one, better get in there quick..."

Yes, better get in there quick before they're all gone! Sony said there's ample supply that will last SEVERAL MONTHS, but hey, this random guy named Steve Austin knows better than Sony themselves. So you better hurry, hurry, hurry!

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By Pixelsmack

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 9:33 PM

Worked for me. Went to Target picked up a 60GB for $499. Bought a pile of BR movies and a couple games. :)

I was waiting for ANY kind of price break on the PS3. I wanted it for a BR player (already have a Tosh HDDVD player), HTPC and game box. All that for $499 is a frickin STEAL.

Kudos to Sony.

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By AaronDobbins

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 5:52 PM

Actually, what I love the most about the forums at BetaNews is that people take personal offense if someone doesn't like the PS3, and likes the 360 instead. Does it really matter if some guy who lives in another state, in another country, or on a different continent,doesn't like the gaming system you prefer? For gods sakes, grow up.

If you like the 360, buy it and the games and enjoy Xbox Live. If you like Sony PS3, buy it and the games and enjoy yourself. This isn't a battle of good versus evil, rebels vs. imperial forces, competition is a good thing, so we probably don't want one company to win and dominate the market. Variety is the spice of life people!

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By garcsera82

edited Jul 14, 2007 - 6:09 PM

Well Said! I agree with your statement %100. If one gaming franchise were to have a monopoly over the business, then they would be able to charge what ever price they wanted. And we would either buy it or not. We would have no other choice.

People, this is a forum. Everyone in entitled to their opinion! You’re NOT going to change another’s mind about the “best” consol. There is really no point in trying. This is a forum where you can say what you feel. And other’s opinions should not be detested because you do not agree with them.

July 14, 2007 - 3:09 PM PST

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By ksponge

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 2:02 PM

Well, after seeing the E3 footage, the game line up looked best for the PS3 in my opinion. WiiFit? Hmm ok. I can see doing something with the balance board, but wiifit isn't going to exemplify that peice of equipment. Killzone 2 actually got my adrenaline pumping a bit. Then I noticed that the sounds didn't seem to go with the environment? Maybe the avi I watched had some audio skew? Anyone else notice that? Anyways, I think Sony is looking better this year. I don't own a PS3 but might get one towards mid next year if things look good.

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By xyzcb1

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 3:10 PM

if you want awesome graphic, use a PC. Stop trolling

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By eoswald

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 1:46 PM

To those calling us biased:

I have yet to see a cogent argument from any of you yet on our supposed vendetta against Sony. All of you seem to echo the same line, "You guys love MS and hate Sony."

If you are going to throw around the b-word, back up your arguments with more than just insults, folks.

Thank you.

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By siryak

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 2:51 PM

Lol your not biased. They think any negative Sony post is "biased."

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By ladylust

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 1:04 PM

I still like my Atari 2600! ok back to the fighting...

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By pitdingo

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 10:21 AM

I just watched the Gran Turismo trailer...wow that is sick. The power of the PS3 is starting to show.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 11:16 AM

"The power of the PS3 is starting to show."

- Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You tragic shills.

Too funny.

Only 'starting' to?

Well you just run along now and be sure to let us know when it's genuinely and actually doing something spectacular and well worth the premium, huh?

(.....and that would be 'in game' footage taken from a regular punter's machine & game btw - you know you can't trust those liars lying to you.)

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By pitdingo

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 6:06 PM

It is a new system that has been out for less than a year. The hardware is complex; it is more advanced than any video game system ever. So yes, it is going to take a few generations of games to show its power, just as any system does.

Another xbot bites the dust...

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 7:48 PM

"Another xbot bites the dust"

- LMAO.

I don't have an XBox 360 (or even a mk1 XBox) you moron.

I do like shooting down the Sony drones & fanboys and their ridiculous lies & propaganda tho.

......another Sony shill ends up looking about as stupid as s/he is.

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By Hocuspokus

edited Jul 14, 2007 - 9:21 AM

Seeing as how the Sony drones love their links here's a couple of interesting ones.

This goes out especially for those shills and fanboys who have gone out of their way to come here to flat out just lie about how BetaNews isn't reporting real news or the facts of the matter......

"global head of Sony Computer Entertainment settled the matter once and for all.

Speaking to Norwegian game-news outlet VGTV, SCEI president and group CEO Kaz Hirai said in no uncertain terms that the 60GB PS3's days are numbered.

"From a hardware perspective, the $499 price adjustment we did for the 60GB version for the American market, we're no longer in production for that product," he said in an unedited on-camera interview.
"Once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to a $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two-price strategy in the US market.
We found out very early on how consumers react to having just one SKU as opposed to two."

SCEA has subsequently confirmed the phase out, but emphasized that it would be gradual.

"The 60GB PS3 will be available in North America for $499 until supplies of that unit are depleted," Karraker told GameSpot in a follow-up interview.
"We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come."


http://uk.gamespot.com/n...amp;tag=newstop;title;1

Sony says the 60gb really is dead.

On the same day the price cut was announced, Sony announced a new 80GB PS3, a console that will be bundled with Motorstorm and will retail for $599, the same as the first.
The price cut for the 60GB PS3 was never intended to be a permanent cut for the product; it was only intended to clear out stock for the new version to be sold at the old price.
GameSpot has reported that Kaz Hirai, Sony Computer Entertainment's CEO and President, has confirmed in a video interview that the 60GB PS3s are no longer in production, and that all new PS3s will be 80GB models to be sold at $599.


http://news.com.com/8301...ws&tag=2547-1_3-0-5

So go ahead and buy a dead version or pay the same money for 20gbs extra HDD.

Hmmmm, $100 for 20gb HDD......we won't be hearing anymore bashing about the XBox 360 HDD price now will we, hmmmmmm?

I guess it's waaaaaay too much to expect some integrity and look for some criticism of Sony for their pricing now, huh?
(what am I saying, of course not)

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By Niro

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 12:12 AM

"Hmmmm, $100 for 20gb HDD......we won't be hearing anymore bashing about the XBox 360 HDD price now will we, hmmmmmm?"

Actually...it's $100 more for 20GB AND one less emotion chip...so actually, you're paying 100$ more for a lesser console, and slightly more HD space. Isn't sony great?:)

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By Steve Austin

edited Jul 14, 2007 - 7:54 AM

Hmm, http://www.n4g.com/News-51800.aspx

360 is hurting real bad right now..

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By darkzero63

posted Jul 15, 2007 - 1:33 PM

Gears of War is better than Unreal Tournament.

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By siryak

posted Jul 16, 2007 - 11:17 PM

Up against all the other games that are out there UT doesn't look all that impressive. It was hardly mentioned whenever they were doing the game show part of E3 other than its' short amount of time to show their trailer.

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By terminalx

edited Jul 14, 2007 - 1:50 PM

I dont know if you are stupid or ignorant but that article states that ut3 runs better then gears did BECAUSE the engine was designed for gears.

Therefore, it was uncharted territory so of course any game thereafter is going to be better.

Its also been stated that ut3 on 360 is better then gears, talk about a non issue.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jul 14, 2007 - 9:48 AM

Wow, a new low.

4 days is the measurement of success now apparantly.

I'm going to have a great big laugh when the PS3 sales numbers have fallen all the wa