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PS3 Sales Dropping in Japan

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

January 19, 2007, 12:03 PM

There is increasing evidence worldwide that sales of the PlayStation 3 are beginning to slow significantly. A firm says sales of the console in Japan this past week were the worst since launch.

Japanese research firm Media Create said the console sold 25,531 units overall for the week ending January 14. This was far behind the Wii, which sold about 93,708 consoles for the week. Still, that number was low too, and the second worst week since launch.

Media Create's figures are created by extrapolating national sales from surveying 3,000 retail stores across the country.

The Xbox 360, a perennial underperformer in Southeast Asia, brought up the rear with only 9,035 units. Overall, some 128,274 units were sold, the company said in data released Friday.

Sony's insistence that it has shipped one million consoles has caused analysts to wonder why there is such a large gap between the shipped number and sold console estimates from several analyst firms. Several have noted that PS3s are in ample supply in some stores in Japan.

PlayStation 3 sales could also be hurt by the surprising success of the Nintendo Wii. Research firm Enterbrain estimated that the console sold 1.14 million consoles through the first week of January, compared with just over 534,000 for the PS3.

Another sign of the consoles weakness: In Media Create's list of top-selling games, the first PS3 title, Resistance: Fall of Man, does not appear until number 40. "Wii Sports" took the #1 spot (it is not bundled in the country, unlike in the U.S.).

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By DaveBG

posted Jan 23, 2007 - 8:53 PM

I still can't get my hands on a PS3, I don't have the money.

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By markadmin

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 2:26 AM

Big ugly and Blue Ray no thanks. I rather use an Atari Emulator.

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 4:32 PM

Use Stella, I've got it loaded in my game cab.

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By slinkys_delsol

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 12:14 AM

Is is me or does "Hollywood__" come across as someone who waited in line at multiple places for a PS3 and was not able to get one at any of the retailers.

So in turn, its not his fault that he does not own a PS3, its Sony's Fault and hence his barrage of "The PS3 Sucks" rants. (Pay in mind, I do not own one)

"Hollywood__" also talk in the 3rd Person allot. Hey, have you, Terrell Owens, Michael Irvin and Deon Sanders all roomed together?

You talk about me (us) getting out of our Parent's Basement, is you job to monitor this Discussion / Board and post all the YouTube Vids links you can? That takes a lot of "Free Time" to just sit there.

Did you just become a Bears fan today? I bet Indy is you Favorite team too.

Who's going to win the SuperBowl all knowing one?

How about the World Series?

I mean, you are so smart, you have all the answers and I bet that if you say it is true I will need to stick my $$$ where your mouth is.

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 4:35 PM

Yes, I waited in line like aloser for hours only to be rejected when all the consoles ran out. I dont own a PS3 because I can't afford it.

Hollywood does talk in the third person??? (I dont know where that comes from).

I do live in my parents basement, I just bcame a Bears fan today, Indy is my favorite team too.

Either the Bears or Colts will win.

And the world series will be won by either a National or American league team.

Dork. Don't be jealous, if you are just come out and say it.

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By plague201

edited Jan 22, 2007 - 1:06 PM

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By Hollywood__

edited Jan 22, 2007 - 5:16 AM

I'm flattered you've taken such an interest in me. Are you telling me you have nothing better to do than try and rattle me?

I see I've gotten under your skin.

You must be a New Orleans fan.

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By plague201

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 1:03 PM

"You must be a New Orleans fan"

LMAO

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 3:29 PM

good ol plague

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By glock__17

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 8:57 PM

Yep, seen the PS3's available in a few stores in Tokyo, while the Wii's and DS's are hard to get. The PSP is Sony's other big joke trying to compete with the Nintendo DS, not even close. I'm sure the PS3 will pick up, the problem is right now there are no good games available, surprised it did as well as it did. Once the new Gran Turismo is released then it might be worth buying.

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By bsf

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 1:27 AM

available in few stores? what are you talking about? I live pretty close to Akihabara, but you literally can find a lot of them in most of the stores, and some of the cheaper stores are selling them for appx 330 bucks (at 121yen=1usd conversion) (the 60gb model)

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By glock__17

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 7:30 PM

I saw them available in 2 BicCamera stores within the last 2 weeks. One was in Ikebukuro the other was in Yurakucho. You had to ask at the counter to pick one up but they were available! Akihabara is too mainstream so I can understand that stock levels there are low.

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By Hollywood__

edited Jan 21, 2007 - 7:12 PM

Screw the PS3! Go Bears.

Yeah, the real Hollywood is from Chicago.

I love it when a plan comes together, the PS3 is failing and the Bears are in the Super Bowl. Now if Blu-Ray would just tank it would be the trifecta.

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By RumbleGeek

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 6:10 PM

The fact that PS3 was not available for the most part for Christmas ticked alot of people off, including me. That gave the edge to the other systems that were available. My kid is now totally turned on by Wii and has no interest in a PS3 now.

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By Hollywood__

edited Jan 21, 2007 - 7:37 PM

That is absolutely true, people bought Wii's and 360's in protest of the PS3 shipments being lied about until the day before launch.

Sony has been lying all year, the rootkit was a nice touch. Sony is the new evil empire, they make Gates look like Ghandi.

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By the_predator

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 9:56 AM

PS3=yawwwn

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By Djole

edited Jan 21, 2007 - 7:40 AM

History repeats itself! Let's get back to 1994. - SEGA Saturn vs SONY Playstation. PS1 wins despite being technologically inferior to Saturn because game developers had a hard time making games for its dual-processor architecture (two CPUs working in Master/Slave mode...), plus Saturn price was 399$ vs PS1 299$. Sounds familiar, eh?

Also, one may notice that every 10 years big companies rise (and fall) - in the 70's ATARI was #1. 10 years later, NINTENDO took away its crown in the 80's. Again, 10 years later (90's) SONY defeated both NINTENDO and SEGA. That was in 1995. Now it's SONY's turn to step down from #1 place...

In 1999./2000. SONY killed one of the best consoles of all time - SEGA DREAMCAST - just because PS2 had a DVD player and because of HUGE hype SONY built up around PS2.

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 1:37 PM

I agree, the Dreamcast is still a great console compared to the PS2. If you are truly a DC fan, you can buy games at less than 5 bucks a piece on FleaBay, except Marvel vs. Capcom 2, that game still fetches over 50 bucks sometimes.

Sony is failing miserably with the PS3, the hype was very short compared to the 360. I've given Sony thousands of dollars over the years, but that time is over. I wouldn't have even bought a PS3 if Sony was making a profit on it.

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By Banquo

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 2:21 PM

Just goes to show how things can change. Sega was once on top of the world but they made some bad mistakes with their Sega CD, 32X and Saturn fiascos. That cost them a lot of money and customer loyalty. The Dreamcast was a great console (and still is) but with their financial problems and the success of the PS2 it just was not meant to be.

Now here we are with Sony making huge blunders of their own and losing customer loyalty, as well as bleeding money and unlike the Dreamcast their new console is NOT great at all. Then we have the success of the Wii and the PS3 selling poorly even in Japan. I think it's pretty clear their reign as leader has come to an end.

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By Djole

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 10:33 AM

Another problem for SONY and PlayStation 3 is the fact that SONY is already losing money, meaning they can't afford a price drop anytime soon. PS3 is somewhat more advanced than Xbox 360, but not that much to justify the high price of the console.

Back in the day, SEGA made a mistake by NOT implementing a DVD player to the console (although it made perfect sense back then when games were not larger then 1GB). These days, SONY made a mistake by implementing Blu-Ray drive which really isn't necessary for a game console, but is really convenient if you have a HDTV and you wannna watch some HD movies. HDTV is still far from a widespread standard, not to mention how expensive Blu-Ray drive is...

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By plague201

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 1:10 PM

"SEGA made a mistake by NOT implementing a DVD player "

Their other mistake was making the console easy to hack. They were loosing about 80% profit on video game sales alone. No mod chip required means ANYONE can get the games.

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 5:03 PM

Weren't CD writers and media extremely expensive at that time though?

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By plague201

edited Jan 22, 2007 - 7:20 PM

No they weren't. I was already on my 3rd burner at the time, I was a broke college student too. So it couldn't have been that expensive. I'd say burner about 100-130 bucks.

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By TomeOne

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 9:50 PM

Woo.

http://www.engadget.com/.../20/blu-ray-cracked-too/

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 10:32 PM

Uh oh, I wonder what Evil Hollywood, Steve, Mark and Davey have to say about that!

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 1:39 PM

I'm glad they are both compromised, it just shows how driven people are to crack DRM. I wonder if someone can un-DRM protected WMA files?

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By Banquo

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 2:11 PM

They have in the past, I remember reading about version 7 or maybe 8 being cracked. I don't think the latest version has been yet, but no doubt it will be in time.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 3:16 PM

Actually, yeah... it has. It's called FairUse4WM. It works for both WMA's and WMV's, like for the movie download places where you can 'rent' movies you download. You can find it at doom9.org if you go to the forums and under Decrypting. It should be one of the top posts.

I heard though that Microsoft is after the guy who created it. I think they were going to hang him or something. /sarcasm

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 7:13 PM

Excellent, thanks for the info. I have a bunch of wma's I'd like to set free of the DRM prison.

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By Hollywood__

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 7:02 PM

"Sony raises price of PS3 to 906.99, still fails to make a profit"

By the way, did that idiot who paid all those homeless people to stand in line for him on launch day ever get his consoles?

I never heard a word about this the day after.

Hey Davey,

Have you seen the numbers for HD-DVD and BD? Both formats are circling the s***ter. BD is just circling faster.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 11:08 AM

You've got to love the way the fanboys think a haranguing economics lesson/lecture on prices and inflation is going to convince customers they flat wrong to be put off by the high prices!

Hilarious.

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By Hocuspokus

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 11:06 AM

Shipped is not sold.

It's obvious they're just trying to avoid the truth of this ......and everyone knows it.

They're in big trouble and they're stuck with prices that are just putting people off.

In the UK they're going to try and charge £425 (approc $820)!

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 7:39 PM

Davey thinks shipped are sold.

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By Banquo

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 2:25 PM

"In the UK they're going to try and charge £425"

I'm still amazed at how they think they are going to pull that one off. The incredible thing is they are so blind with arrogance that they think people are going to run out and pay it. "The next generation does not start until we say it does." The whole company is run by ego maniacal a***oles.

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By la_bruin

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 3:35 AM

The drop in sales might have something to do with all the illwill Sony garnered over the past year. Anyone that wasn't a diehard fanboi would have been hard pressed to believe Sony's rhetoric about it being the greatest console ever, once PS3 launched.

For a good look at Sony's terrible PR over the past year, take a look at this summary:

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We all know Sony has been taking a lot of bad press from the PS3, but lets take a look back at the year that has lead us to the Nov. 17th release date.

First, we start with Sony itself. Yes, I was going to only make a timeline of the PS3 news, but how can you ignore this arrogance from late 2005?

Nov. 10th, 2005 - Sony is caught hiding a rootkit inside music CD's that place a virus on users computer. Sony's Tom Hesse defends the decision by stating that people don't know what it is, so they shouldn't care

Now that we know Sony cares about us, lets move on to the PS3...

Feb 27th, 2006 - Sony misses it's Spring launch date
May 8th, 2006 - Sony holds it's E3 conference announcing the pricing of the PS3 at $600/$500
May 8th, 2006 - New PS3 controller will have six degrees of motion, but no rumble feature. Sony's Phil Harrison states that rumble was last gen and no longer needed.
May 31st, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison denies copying the Wiimote and states that the PS3 will replace the PC
Sep 5th, 2006 - Gamers looking to get the best picture out of Sony's premium PlayStation 3 package will need to shell out extra for proper hookups.
Sept 6th, 2006 - PS3 is delayed in Europe until March 2007
Sept 6th, 2006 - PS3 launch shipment is cut from 2 million to 400,000 in the US (100,000 to Japan)
Sept 8th, 2006 - Sony's President admits that the company's hardware is in a current state of decline
Sept 26th, 2006 - PS3 first-party titles announced to be the same price as third party titles, at $59.99
Sept 26th, 2006 - Square Enix will not exclusively support Sony's PS3 as much as they did with the PS2.
Sept 29th, 2006 - Sony's President Ken Kutaragi states that his company does not care about the Xbox 360 and Wii competition.
October 12th, 2006 - Sony Exec calls the 360 and Wii "too expensive"
October 19th, 2006 - The infamous spec sheet comparison and how Sony claims the Xbox 360 requires HD-DVD to play games
October 20th, 2006 - Announced that Sony may have to replace your PS3 controller for you after it no longer holds charge
October 24th, 2006 - Sony sinks Lik-Sang
October 26th, 2006 - Sony's Q2 profits decrease by 94%
October 28th, 2006 - Sony president Ken Kutaragi said he expects the PS3 to be capable of running games at a stunning 120fps
October 30th, 2006 - PS3 will push Sony $1.71 billion into the red
October 31st, 2006 - Japan launch of the PS3 is cut to 80,000 units
Nov 8th, 2006 - Sony ships without update. You must update your PS3 out of the box in order to use PlayStation Network
Nov 9th, 2006 - NBA Live 2007 is cancelled on the PS3
Nov 9th, 2006 - Oblivion is pushed back from launch title to Jan 2007
Nov 10th, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison states that he can no longer confirm a March 2007 launch for Europe
Nov 11th, 2006 - PS3 launches in Japan and rewards few
Nov 11th, 2006 - Sony unprepared for Japan launch
Nov 14th, 2006 - Sony will miss 400,000 unit target for the US. Approx 150k to 200k will be shipped for launch
Nov 14th, 2006 - PS3 has backwards compatibility problems
Nov 16th, 2006 - PS3 downscales 720p games instead of upscaling to 1080i
Nov 16th, 2006 - Sony's Jack Tretton comments on the PS3 BC problems and states that the Wii has 0 backwards compatibility
Nov 20, 2006 - NYT not impressed with PS3
Nov 20, 2006 - Game Devs Prefer 360
Nov 20, 2006 - PS3 annoys Joystiq
Nov 21, 2006 - PS3, PSP Rainbow Six held till '07
Nov 23, 2006 - Saving Sony, one console at a time
Nov 25, 2006 - Sony retracts 1080i fix statement, leaving customers in lurch.
Nov 26, 2006 - More PS3 exclusives head to 360
Nov 26, 2006 - Bloomberg: Sony missed PS3 ship targets
Nov 30, 2006 - Sony shuffles senior execs
Nov 30, 2006 - Analyst: "I cannot imagine a PlayStation 4"
Dec 4, 2006 - Sony Australia: Wii "More Fun" than PS3
Dec 8, 2006 - Court rules for Immersion; Sony to pay up
Dec 11, 2006 - Industry watchers weigh in on "record-low tie ratios" for Wii and PS3 and other results from the month of the new systems' debut.
Dec 19, 2006 - Time says PS3 was a bust
Dec 20, 2006 - PC World Calls PS3 a top tech mistake of 2006
Dec 20, 2006 - Forced bundles and high retail price put consumers off, claims tracking firm.
Dec 21, 2006 - Virtua Fighter 5 dukes it out on Xbox 360
Dec 21, 2006 - Sony files patent for wiimote style hand-held controler
Dec 27, 2006 - PS3 Greymarket Watch: Scalpers Returning PS3s Back To Stores.
Dec 27, 2006 - Gamers who queued for days to buy Sony's PS3 are frantically trying to trade them for the much cheaper Wii.
Dec 28, 2006 - Sony's PS3: High-Scorer No More
Jan 4, 2007 - Sony spokesman David Karraker: "Everything that we put on store shelves sold out,"
Jan 4, 2007 - A Gran Turismo game without force feedback? Say it ain't so!
Jan 8, 2007 - PS3 demand slows, stores stocked aplenty
Jan 9, 2007 - Sony Misses Worldwide PS3 Shipment Targets. They shiped a million in the US, but not in Japan.
Jan 10, 2007 - Motorstorm isn't going to be running in 1080p at 60FPS, despite Sony VP of Marketing David Dille saying this week that it would.
Jan 11, 2007 - Analyst: Lagging PS3 Sales 'Troubling'

While it's not all of Sony's fault, they have done little to apologize for their delays and arrogant statements. It's a bad trend that they've started, and the more they continue the more we'll be seeing article after article on Gamespot.....day after day about something else they've done to flaw the PS3's image.

Links to all dated references available at:
http://www.gamespot.com/..._id=25247543&page=0

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By bobthegoat2001

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 10:55 AM

After reading that I found this picture and thought it was funny, and I think they forgot to put it in the timeline:

ps3liebackend2mv.jpg

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By HoIIywood__

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 12:39 PM

Then your a fool for thinking a prototype was bear any resembance to the final product. As it is your picture is wrong, as the USB's have moved to the front, and only 1 of the HDMI ports were removed. There is still 1 HDMI.

If you want to talk lies, talk about the Lies Microsoft said about the HDMI cable for XBox360, which was a total lie, because you need a new console for HMDI (and IPTV).

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 7:41 PM

Hey Dave,

I notice you didn't try to defend any of that lond list of facts about Sony, you choose to go after the photo of the prototype PS3.

Dork.

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By Hollywood__

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 6:43 PM

This awesome, Hollywood / Dave is fuming right now. The PS3 to me is nothing more than a cheaper BD player so I can watch Cars and Pirates 2 in HD. Every game I buy is for the 360, I will consider motorstorm but it looks like Sony ****ed that one up too.

The before and after photo is classic.

Davey doesn't even own a PS3 and I'm sure he stays up at night trying to dig up new links to spin all the bad PS3 press.

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By bobthegoat2001

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 3:14 PM

First things first, I didn't create the picture. It's was suppost to be mostely a joke, or for me it was. And most of it is true.

Second, when did Microsoft talk about an HDMI cable? Am I missing something? And why is it a lie that you need a new console for an HDMI cable or IPTV? I'm very confused :-s

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By Steve Austin

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 4:20 PM

http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/735/735860p1.html

Then (lie):

"Microsoft Xbox 360 currently doesn't include a digital out connection for video. Our platform is flexible enough to allow support of a digital connection in the future should we choose to do so. When the Xbox 360 was being developed HDMI was nascent and with our current connections we support what the overwhelming majority of consumers have available to them."

Now:

Sorry, if you want Digitial HDMI, then you need to buy the new improved Xbox420...

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 7:44 PM

I agree, if you want HDMI, buy the new console. What's so hard about this?

Steve, did you get a second job and work 20 hour days to buy a 360 or something? And now you're pissed because a "newer" version is coming?

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By Hollywood__

edited Jan 21, 2007 - 1:44 PM

Steve,

I will buy the new console when it becomes available, I could care less about having an "older" version. I heard rumors about this long before I bought a 360.

I only want the larger hard drive and I probably will never use the HDMI, I hate that DRM'd lousy picture.

I think the whole country, including you, thinks HDMI actually looks better than component. All the stores push HDMI so they can sell you a cable and the studios want it so they can control what you do with the video out.

It's a joke.

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By bobthegoat2001

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 6:53 PM

Ummmmm.... yeah??? I still don't see where they lied.

Soooo... you need a new 360 with HDMI to use... HDMI; And that's what that paragraph says. You calling the 360 an Xbox420 is a lie, but I don't see where Microsoft lied.

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 6:10 PM

Now find me the article where Microsoft says there will be no HDMI cable and prove they lied. I'll wait right here while you go get the proof.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 4:51 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0U2anUn_fc

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 10:06 AM

What did that have to do with with the price of cheese in China?

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 4:26 PM

Nothing, it's a fanboy tactic to try and change the subject.

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 7:33 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVXzN7jCcRA

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 6:45 PM

We now have a good and evil Hollywood, I agree with the one who is just like me. I don't even have to post anymore thanks to him.

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By Steve Austin

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 8:55 AM

And how many of these are seen?

1 in 3 Xbox360 consoles have failed...

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By Banquo

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 4:24 PM

"And how many of these are seen?"

Well there aren't many PS3s are there, lol.

"1 in 3 Xbox360 consoles have failed..."

Where is your source for this ridiculous claim?

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 6:46 PM

I've heard numbers like 4 out of 3 are failing.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 6:57 PM

Well there goes your credibility Evil Hollywood.

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By kashin

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 2:48 AM

"Sony's insistence that it has shipped one million consoles has caused analysts to wonder why there is such a large gap between the shipped number and sold console estimates from several analyst firms."

Well, if Sony insists then it MUST be true. You know, because Sony would never lie to their customers.. Oh wait.

Probably just more BS from Sony, to try and make themselves look good even to the last breath. They will NEVER EVER admit the PS3 was a miserable failure. They will INSIST it's doing great and selling fast until the last second, before Sony is forced to sell off their gaming division. Just watch and wait.

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By Banquo

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 7:44 AM

Sony's arrogance is amazing. They always end up dropping their failed garbage though and then spin it to look like they are innovative for switching to the formats that beat them. After all these years of trying to shove their stupid memory sticks down the market's throat they've suddenly decided to start making CompactFlash cards. They may have beat their record for the time it took them to give up on Beta.

http://www.ephotozine.co...ullnews.cfm?NewsID=3629

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By IceyKola

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 12:03 AM

Here's a question for people who know. Does the PS3 offer game demo downloads like xbox360 does? One of the things I like about the 360 is that even if I don't want to pay $60 for a game, I can test it out, or even play the demo with my friends, because it can be enough to keep us entertained. Even arcade games can be enough enterainment from the trial versions. Either way, the 360 can be a lot of fun, even without paying a cent on games. It's just a completely all around entertaining box. MS has done a great job of getting developers to support the platform. And bringing lots of forms of entertainment to customers. Especially with a consistent online gaming experience, pay one fee to play any of your games online.

Since I don't have a PS3 I have no idea how well the system provides that level of entertainment, and more for the price. I have read about the online gaming support, and that Sony doesn't feel like being accountable for it, and leaving that up to the publishers/developers to charge gamers and host their games.

MS got this one right. Definately. Sony definately did not.

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 9:03 PM

http://www.gamingmoments...l-ps3-is-a-dud-for-sony/

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 7:10 PM

I'm just glad that people are smart enough not to buy into Sony's crap. People are realizing how crappy Sony really is.

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 8:43 PM

True.

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 6:47 PM

Here here.

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By DotNet_Coder

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 7:00 PM

Well, it was predicted months ago that the PS3 would bomb out based upon price to the consumer and profit loss to Sony... the numbers are proving that point nicely...

~dnc

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By HoIIywood__

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 6:39 PM

Anyone that thinks there is a problem with the price, is a fool. Take into account inflation, the PS3 is cheaper than the PS2 launch price.. Look how well that sold

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By Type-E

edited Jan 20, 2007 - 1:58 AM

It is the price for me not to buy it. If it is $349, I think I will buy it because I love God of War so much and Heavenly sword looks just similar w/ way better graphics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS-IbTxtjVU

Sony need to do something about the price, $599 a machine is just too expensive for the wife factor or mom factor.

PS2's North American launch price was $299 in year 2000. I didn't know there was an inflation of 67% (for the 20Gb $499 version) over 6 years or 100% for the 60Gb version.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 7:13 PM

That's not the problem though, even if inflation would make the PS2 and PS3 the same price. It's that you can also get an Xbox 360 for $399.99 and get basically the same games as the PS3. Plus there's the Wii that's only $249.99, which is selling well too.

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By HoIIywood__

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 8:10 PM

A WII is not even in the same class, it's basically a GameCube with a new controller. The graphics capabilities are very last generation, as are the console features. The games I have seen whilst may be fun initially, the novelty will quickly wear off.

Either way, anything the WII can do with the controller, the PS3 can do with the Bluetooth controller and/or the HD Eye Toy.

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By n00bstorm

edited Feb 13, 2007 - 8:05 AM

Its like you just said no one plays old school games anymore. Nintendo is doing something smart and i respect them for it. Sony can CHOKE themselves with PS3 for all i care.

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By kashin

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 2:37 AM

Joe Average Gamer doesn't buy a console because it's got cutting edge technology, only fanboys buy based on that. Sony has already proved, having the latest technology in itself will not sell consoles. People don't care if the hardware under the hood is so advanced that Sony loses hundreds of dollars on each console. What if Microsoft released a new console that cost $2000 to make, but they sold it for $899? Do you think anyone would buy it, despite the fact Microsoft would lose $1100 on each one? No one would buy it. This is exactly what happened with Sony's PS3. It's too expensive DESPITE the fact that it costs hundreds more to manufacture than the retail price. Anybody remember the 3DO? Same story.

Fun factor is still the king. This is proven by Nintendo yet again. Yes, their hardware is a little outdated, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that it's CHEAP and it's FUN.

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By HoIlywood__

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 8:53 PM

The FACT that the Wii is selling extremely well proves that the myth of "graphics are the most important thing" that fools like you spread all over is complete and total bullsh*t. People play games to have FUN. The Wii and 360 both offer that for a lot less than Sony's overpriced pile of crap. Oh and the inflation argument was really stupid.

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By plague201

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 7:11 PM

Davey...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 8:44 PM

Dave is such a drama queen.

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By c4p0ne

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 6:11 PM

PS3 F*CKEDDDDDDD UP BIGTIME with that PSYCHO price. The failed miserably for that ONE reason. Had Sony matched prices with competition, they would have crushed in the long run. It just goes to show you that just because you have superior technology (heavily superior) built into the console (cell chip, etc. etc..) it doesn't mean jack SH*T if you alienate your potential customers in sooo many other ways.

The Sony BMG rootkit fiasco didn't help either. In fact Sony's had an avalanche of sh*tass luck in 05/06.

Whatever, I don't own a console at all since the SNES so f*ck 'em, they can all eat my balls I've got my PC and it does everything I need including games, for FREE. ;)

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By KSzostek

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 5:18 PM

WOW... I just have to say TO BAD SONY (Big laugh)

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By slinkys_delsol

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 3:54 PM

Bottom Line:

* Availability!
* Availability!!
* Availability!!!

If the PS3 was simply "Available" and had a larger library of games "Available" then this would be a null / void topic.

Like any other Technology / Device, give it a year from it's release, then talk about the numbers.

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By HoIlywood__

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 8:55 PM

Not available? They are sitting in piles all over the place. Are you on crack or just not get out of your parent's basement enough to notice this?

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By slinkys_delsol

posted Jan 21, 2007 - 11:56 PM

What part of East Bumble-F*&k are you living in that they are just laying around?

I am in the Philadelphia area, there is not one electronic or gaming store I have walked in since the release to find them (Or a WII for that matter) freely available like a 360 would be.

Plus, did you actually read my post fully? I guess not. It also concentrated on the fact that there are simply no games really out for the PS3. Not that games are not available, but there is not a huge library at this point.

When all gaming systems come out, they ALL have had this issue, but by the time each of the consoles was a year old, it was well represented them. With the exception of a few (Less then 5) games for both the PS3 and the WII, there are really NONE yet.

Plus the fact that the PS3 alone has been from Firmware 1.x and is now up to version 3.x in less then 3 months. MANY FIXES TO COME AS WELL!

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By ajadoniz

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 5:45 PM

you reek of fanboy-dom. There are PLENTY of PS3's available. Sony says they have SHIPPED 1mil, but only around 700,000 have sold. Please research before you get antsy pantsy and reach for your keyboard.

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By slinkys_delsol

posted Jan 22, 2007 - 12:00 AM

Did you notice what you typed:

"Sony says they have SHIPPED 1mil"

Yea, and George W. Bush said that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in IRAQ too.

Sony also claimed that is was not their fault that the "Root-Kit" was on CDs.

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By siryak

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 4:54 PM

"Bottom Line:

* Availability!
* Availability!!
* Availability!!"

My local Wal-Mart has that case as full as it can get of PS3s. Although there is still not a Wii in site. Actually the only thing they had in stock for the Wii was the points card. Everything else was sold out.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 10:13 AM

Games, Games, Games! That's what the PS3 lacks right now...

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By drumcat

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 3:34 PM

PS3 would sell better if Xbox 360 didn't exist. Thank goodness for competition!

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 20, 2007 - 7:34 AM

True, but it would also sell better if it was not an overpriced underwhelming piece of junk. :D

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By HoIlywood__

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 2:39 PM

This isn't really a surprise. The PS3 is an over priced over hyped product with nothing to make it worth the purchase. It's just more of the same with higher resolution graphics and a trojan horse called Blu-Ray inside. On the other hand the Wii actually brings something new to the table, it's both affordable and insanely fun. The reason it it doing so much better is pretty obvious. Sorry Sony fanboys, but the PS3 is not the success you thought it would be.

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By Hollywood__

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 4:11 PM

Wow,

Finally a shadow Hollywood that posted exactly what I would have posted.

By the way, I'm too lazy to move around while playing a video game, scratch the Wii.

Nintendo's plan was brilliant, $249 for a fun video game system that they actually make money on was perfect to fill in for all those non existent PS3's during November / December.

The 360 sold so well because of all the pissed of PS3 fanboys who couldnt get a console for under 1500 bucks decided to say screw you to Sony and crossed over the dark side.

Whoever leaked that info about a 360 with HDMI and a 120GB hard drive (probably Sony) did a great job of slowing down 360 sales. But if and when the new version arrives, there will be a huge jump once again because of all the people who are waiting for the 360.2

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By bourgeoisdude

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 2:30 PM

Okay, part of this is logical--look at the US and XBOX 360: Do you think sales of the XBOX 360 will be stronger this week than they were 6 months ago? No--why? Because the 360 enthusiasts already have their 360. In Japan, most who were anxious early adopters already bought the console, so why would anyone wait until now to buy it UNLESS THE PRICE GOT LOWERED? The 360 sales will increase when Halo 3 comes out, no doubt, and when a newer HD-DVD version of the 360 comes in a package or something, it'll sell big as well. PS3 has not had any new exciting games that I've heard about recently, so why would sales increase this week??

Part of it is a little over-criticising of sony, however, some of it is legit as well. This is bad because it means that Sony must do something big to change the PS3 price, parts, games, or accessories, in order to encourage those who simply refuse to pay so much for a console.

Can't raise the price? Offer a free game with the $600 package, offer a second PS3 controller free "this week only", c'mon sony! Be creative. I could care less about PS3 because I dislike sony/bluray/etc., but I don't even care to have a PS3 if someone gives it to me free because I have no use for it--not one game is out that I am interested in. Quit advertising the console and let some people know what games you have on there, I can't remember the name of even one off the top of my head (well, except Resistance: Fall of Man)...

"Another sign of the consoles weakness: In Media Create's list of top-selling games, the first PS3 title, Resistance: Fall of Man, does not appear until number 40. "Wii Sports" took the #1 spot (it is not bundled in the country, unlike in the U.S.)."

There it is folks. That is why the PS3 is not selling. I may not like the console and am 99.9% sure I will never ever buy one, but I still cannot say PS3 is a complete flop until they actually have a game or two that define it. Problem is, there is not yet a super awesomely addictive game exclusively for the PS3 yet, and if I were Sony, I'd do anything and everything to get a super great hit on that console before Halo 3 comes along, because it very well may be the end for the PS3 if nothing big happens between now and then.

Go back to your success, sony: I personally did like a few of the original PS games like the twisted metal franchise and at the time Tekken 2 (albeit Tekken will not likely become a huge success because the idea has been so overly used at this stage). Make a revolutionary game franchise--like Halo for Xbox, like 007 Goldeneye for N64, like Tekken 2 for PS, like GTA for PS2--but come up with a new one. If Sony fails to come up with a mega-hit soon, Halo 3 will surely entice even the most die-hard sony supporting game companies to move over to Xbox 360 for their future titles.

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By bsf

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 10:02 PM

believe me, there were almost NO sony enthusiasts who got the early ones. Almost all of the first day and the early ones sold were bought by foreigners who shipped it overseas and sold it for a good profit.

I don't think this ever happened to PlayStation series so Sony REALLY better do something quick or else...

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By egg83

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 1:59 PM

Ya think PRICE has something to do with the amount of units sold?

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By plague201

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 1:26 PM

(yawn)

Davey, its been well know that the Japanese dont buy the 360 (its not a national product). That value is more than expected.

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By HoIIywood__

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 12:39 PM

Once again, lame biased reporting.

Headline, PS3 sales slow

25,000 units sold.

In the small print, 9,000 Xbox360's sold in the same period.....

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By Zackajaweea

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 2:51 PM

They only mention Xbox360 in small print because it has been out for a year longer and Japan is not it's main market. In the home market of each console, who wins?

But you obviously feel that Xbox 360 news is more important 1 year later.

To be fair let's do a real comparison.

Last year Q4 2005. Xbox 360 sold 1.5 Million units. Q1 2006 - another 3.2 million units.

At the current rate, PS3 would do under 1 million units in it's home market in 2007 Q1. That is terrible.

Oh.. and my source is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360#Sales

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By wincement

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 1:09 PM

lol... but there's already 10 million Xbox360's out there.

It's not biased anyway. PS3 sales are slowing.

Just look around. There's at least 2 PS3's sitting on the shelves at every major store I've gone to the past two weeks. Some places have 10. I dare you to look in the electronics department the next time you go to Walmart and tell me how many PS3's you see there. It will be more than 3. Then, at the same time, take note of how many Wii's there are. You won't find one.

Yet Nintendo has shipped 4 times as many consoles as Sony.

Explain that one to me.

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By HoIIywood__

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 1:26 PM

Here in Pheonix, AZ, PS3's are VERY tricky to find,they come in, and go almost as quickly. there are some 20GB units around, but I am still trying to lay my hands on a 60GB unit. All the online retailers I have tried are all sold out...

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By Hollywood__

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 4:00 PM

Come to Chicago shadow Hollywood, we have hundreds of them. Every store has at least 4 60GB units and Best Buy has 38 in stock.

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By plague201

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 1:27 PM

"Yet Nintendo has shipped 4 times as many consoles as Sony.

Explain that one to me."

I'm dying to here you explain this Davey

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By HoIIywood__

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 2:44 PM

""Yet Nintendo has shipped 4 times as many consoles as Sony. Explain that one to me."

Are you suggesting that Nintendo has shipped 8 million consoles? Sony has shipped 2 Million..

Please back this up....

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By plague201

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 7:16 PM

WoE, just Wow, that went completely over your head. It was a quote, eitherway you missed the point. Nintendo has in FACT shiped a lot more Wii's than there are PS3's and yet there are no Wii's in sight. Care to explain that to us?

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By eoswald

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 2:58 PM

Sony has not shipped 2 million consoles. Their official number as told to us was 1 million. Nintendo has shipped roughly 3-4 million consoles so far.

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By bourgeoisdude

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 2:51 PM

I'd first like to hear where the heck you came up with the 2 million PS3's shipped figure first...

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By HoIIywood__

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 6:37 PM

Pick any of the links below, just because they didn't report it here (as it good Sony press).

http://tomshardware.co.u...01/16/sony_ps3_2million/

http://www.techspot.com/...ips-2-million-ps3s.html

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=93849

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By bourgeoisdude

edited Jan 19, 2007 - 8:42 PM

(sigh) not another misquote from Sony...

...looked at the details myself, and the facts are in: 2 million consoles worldwide have shipped, according to sony. The "misunderstanding" lies in the fact that 1 million shipped in the US, ACCORDING TO THOSE LINKS, yet according to Betanews, only 1 million shipped in Japan. There's the conclusion.

Also these articles get there info from xbit, and here's an interesting quote:
"NPD Research, an independent market tracking agency, recently indicated that back in December there were shipped 1.132 million Xbox 360 game consoles, 604 thousand Nintendo Wii game machines and 490.7 thousand Sony PlayStation 3 much-anticipated game consoles in the USA. The same market tracking agency revealed earlier that in November end-users acquired 195 thousand PlayStation 3 machines. Thus, about 685 thousand of the PS3 game consoles were bought by end-users in calendar 2006, starting from November 17, or about 115 thousand a week. Meanwhile, Sony made available over 140 thousand of PS3s a week on average." -- http://www.xbitlabs.com/...lay/20070116124253.html

Something is rotten here. The numbers I come up with--granted I'm hanging on a limb here--show that nearly one million of the PS3s HAD to have shipped between January 8th and January 16th--that would be a ridiculously 'political' move just so sony could get some extra numbers!

They wasted all of their efforts and money just to cover up the fact that the PS3 did not meet goal for the end of 2006! I guarantee those million consoles started shipping BEFORE the end of the year, making it impossible (assuming I'm doing this right) for sony to have SHIPPED 1 million consoles in 2006--so they basically raised the shipments excessively despite how useless it would be as far as sales and profits just so they could imply that they had met their original goal!

Remember--the trick here is what sony did NOT say--they will never tell you they did wrong because that would mean they weren't gods, so they must tell you 2 million shipped through Jan. 8th (meaning the total - the supposed 1 million would mean that 1 million had to have been shipped from Jan 1st-16th, that Sony simply lied about shipments in December and November, or that Sony had to ramp up production at an ungodly rate of 1,000,000 units in 8 days! If sony is telling us the truth, along with the other numbers we see that over half of the PS3s havent even been sold yet! On top of that, it is close to impossible to ship 1 million in one week + 1 day, yet Sony says they shipped 2 million to date and the raw data shows they only shipped 1.13 million as of January 8th--so who's lying?)

Also, from Tom's: "Although Sony still maintains that it will meet the original expectation of six million units shipped by the end of March, at the close of Sony's fiscal year, Forbes is reporting that Japanese firm Nomura Securities expected that number to be unrealistic, due to sluggish North American sales. Nomura says a more realistic estimate is to only have 4.5 million consoles shipped by April."

Forbes is dead wrong for one reason: they underestimate how incredibly ridiculous lengths Sony will go to in order to cover their mistakes. Why the hell should sony care if it sells or not? Ship 4 billion consoles in the US so they can show the world how great they are, even if only one ten-thousandth of a percent of them are ever purchased!

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By ajadoniz

posted Jan 19, 2007 - 5:47 PM

It's 1 million, straight from the horses mouth. Check the latest Sony press release on their website.

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