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Rep. Lantos to Yahoo: 'Morally, You Are Pygmies'

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

November 7, 2007, 3:25 PM

In a scene staged for maximum dramatic effect, complete with the mother and family of jailed dissident Shi Tao seated directly behind them, Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang and chief counsel Michael Callahan were grilled yesterday for over three hours by Rep. Tom Lantos (D - Calif.) and his House Foreign Affairs Committee.

"While technologically and financially you are giants," Chairman Lantos reprimanded them, with his face cast down and his eyes peering out like the famous promotional poster for A Clockwork Orange, "morally, you are pygmies."

While Callahan and Yang sat hunch-shouldered like scolded children called before the principal, their statements were well rehearsed. But Lantos, recognizing memorized language from corporate executives when he hears it, stopped tape several times - at one point interrupting Callahan's opening remarks - in an effort to convert the Yahoo executives' tepid apologies to outright shame. It didn't happen.

Callahan opened by discussing his February 2006 testimony, during which he told a House subcommittee that Yahoo had no knowledge of the intent of a Chinese government order seeking information on Shi Tao, whom the government later sentenced to ten years' imprisonment for improperly revealing information. "I also emphasized my understanding that failure by the Yahoo China operation in Beijing to comply with lawful orders from government authorities," Callahan recited, "may have subjected the Chinese employees of that company to civil and criminal penalties, including imprisonment."

Lantos stopped him there. "Why do you insist on repeating the phrase 'lawful orders?' These were demands by a police state to make an American company a co-conspirator in having a freedom loving Chinese journalist put in prison. By what judgment do you call these orders lawful? These are the orders of a police state demanding cooperation of an American company."

"Yes, Mr. Chairman, and we sincerely regret the consequences, as you point out, of the Yahoo China operation having complied with those orders," Callahan responded.

"So will you continue to use the phrase 'lawful orders,"' Lantos pressed on, "or will you just be satisfied saying, 'orders' or 'requests?"'

Sheepishly, Callahan pretended Lantos' question dealt merely with semantics. "I can refer to it that way, if you like, Mr. Chairman," he said.

Lantos would not let go. "I'm asking you whether you consider it lawful to have the Chinese Communist police demand that Yahoo become a co-conspirator in sending a Chinese journalist to prison."

Callahan apologized for misinterpreting, then said, "It's my understanding that, under Chinese law, these are lawful. I understand that they do not meet the norms, certainly, of what the United States would consider to be lawful, but my understanding is that they were lawful orders in China recognizing the distinction between that and your point, sir."

How It Came to This

The sad tale of Yahoo's incomplete rendering of events to Congress began in January 2006, when representatives of Yahoo, Microsoft, Google, and Cisco were invited to appear before a Congressional Human Rights Caucus. It was not an official legislative function, but the spotlight was turned up, and the subject was how American companies do business in China. The chair of that caucus was Tom Lantos, and none of the four companies showed up.

Instead, they issued written statements which they had hoped would be entered into the Congressional Record. Yahoo saved time by merging its statement with Microsoft's. It included the following: "While we believe that companies have a responsibility to identify appropriate practices in each market in which they do business, we think there is a vital role for government-to-government discussion of the larger issues involved...We urge the United States government to take a leadership role in this regard and have initiated a dialogue with relevant US officials to encourage such government-to-government engagement."

As a Microsoft spokesperson would later say, the reason for not showing up at the Human Rights Caucus was that all four were scheduled to appear the very next day before Congress. That day was February 6, the place was a House Subcommittee on Asian affairs, and seated on the panel again was Tom Lantos. His outrage was evident even from the grainiest Web stream.

While witnesses expected to be asked about matters such as how corporations and governments can work together to ensure the free flow of information between them without upsetting anyone or sending someone to prison, what they got instead was an earful of the most shame-evoking language any congressman is capable of dishing out. At one point, Cisco counsel Mark Chandler was asked point-blank whether he thought Cisco ever did anything in China that it now feels ashamed of.

"Our company provides access to information for people all over the world, including China," Chandler responded then, "on a consistent global platform which maximizes the opportunity for freedom of expression."

You could almost hear the "wrong answer" buzzer sounding long before Lantos interrupted Chandler. Talking over him, he then passed the same question to Google counsel Elliot Schrage. "We've complied with legally binding orders," Schrage responded, "whether it's here in the United States or in China or any of the other 90 countries..."

And there was that phrase, "legally binding orders" - somewhat akin to the "lawful orders" comment Lantos would pounce upon yesterday. He wouldn't hear any more of it: "Well, IBM complied with legal orders when they cooperated with Nazi Germany," he said.

It was amid this torrential atmosphere that Yahoo's Michael Callahan first neglected to say his company knew anything about the political intent behind the Chinese government's request for Shi Tao's information. And it was this environment which Callahan chose not to return to when he neglected to tell Congress the testimony he did give in February 2006 was inaccurate, turning instead to the Hong Kong Privacy Commission.

Next: Yang: "We made no effort to conceal it..."

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By Second Shadow

posted Nov 9, 2007 - 12:58 AM

Remember Tiananmen

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By robmanic44

posted Nov 8, 2007 - 8:42 AM

These companies really are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Would it do any good if they dropped everything and left China? I don't think so.

The very nature of Cisco's business means they'll be there. This self-righteous stuff accomplishes squat.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Nov 8, 2007 - 8:59 AM

"This self-righteous stuff accomplishes squat."

It gives the huddled masses a warm fuzzy to know their government cares so much for the people in China.

They tend to wonder less why they don't seem to care about the people in the US....

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By cousinkix1953

edited Nov 8, 2007 - 2:27 AM

Funny! Have you ever seen pictures of Tom Lantos? This shriveled up old man looks much like ET's grandpappy.

Olympic athletes will not be allowed to bring their Bibles to the Beijing games in 2008. No bans on the Koran or the Torah so far; but that's China for you...

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By SMFulton3

posted Nov 8, 2007 - 10:17 AM

I will say this, cousinkix1953: If I had survived the Holocaust as Tom Lantos did, I'd hope to look as good as he does.

-SF3

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By PhoenixPath

posted Nov 8, 2007 - 1:34 PM

...just without the obvious brain damage?

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By imafurby

posted Nov 7, 2007 - 10:07 PM

Lantos is a mental midget.

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By billweh

posted Nov 7, 2007 - 6:33 PM

The whole thing comes down to this:

"It's my understanding that, under Chinese law, these are lawful. I understand that they do not meet the norms, certainly, of what the United States would consider to be lawful, but my understanding is that they were lawful orders in China recognizing the distinction between that and your point, sir."

What passes for law in China is COMPLETELY different from what is law in the USA (or most other democratic countries).

When you have a totalitarian dictatorship (China, Most of the Middle East, Venezeulla (sorry about the spelling) what the leaders say goes. If you don't like it, you go to jail and/or disappear.

If Yahoo China had not complied, I'm sure the house would have been cleaned by their government and new people would have been appointed, or they would have confiscated everything and kicked Yahoo out of the country.

These are NOT nice people folks - communism is a blight on the world, it is not a hippy dippy love fest with everyone getting along.

If Congress really wanted to do something about China - they would tarrif the heck out of everything that came into this country to offset the artifically deflated Chinese dollar. They'd also do what they could to get China to take in as much in goods that they export out. But instead - they let corporations continue to move ops there with no regard for how badly it's screwing over this country.

So did Yahoo China do wrong. Not really - they didn't have a choice. Should they have given over the info? By the rules we have here, no, but they are not here - they did not have a choice. Not without putting the lives of many more at risk.

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By NULLedge

posted Nov 7, 2007 - 5:33 PM

you might want to get some ointment for that BURN! i haven't seen a schooling like that in ages

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By CT2001

posted Nov 7, 2007 - 4:52 PM

What Yahoo did was wrong, but Lantos is going overboard with this high-handed scolding. Does he have in his home any products at all made in China? If so, he's being hypocritical.

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By NULLedge

posted Nov 7, 2007 - 5:35 PM

i dont think he ever made the point that he wanted to boycott china. i think his intentions here are to make sure american companies arent getting away with murder while out of pocket

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By PhoenixPath

posted Nov 7, 2007 - 3:57 PM

Lantos: You ain't much better. Forcing your morals upon others is, in and of itself, an immoral act.

"Your morals suck. You're going to Hell."

Aahhh...a truer Christian there never was.

China is trying like hell to avoid westernization. They don't want our "media culture" Sure, they want our business and trade, but the two are completely different. There is a National Pride and Distrust of other cultures there us westerners haven't seen the likes of in generations.

Mr. Lantos, have you *been* there? Have you *spoken* to the students? The general public?

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By drumcat

posted Nov 7, 2007 - 3:51 PM

Nothing quite like using a racial comment to say how bad someone is. That's true politicking.

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By NULLedge

posted Nov 7, 2007 - 5:37 PM

im pretty sure Pygmies don't read US news.

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By PC_Tool

posted Nov 7, 2007 - 8:49 PM

What, it's not a racial slur if they can't hear you? You're not a racist pig if you don't join the KKK (but still feel they're no better than animals)?

Sorry, doesn't work that way. Still racist.

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By KRome

posted Nov 7, 2007 - 3:47 PM

hah thats a pretty harsh line right there

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