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Rockstar's Sex Mod Scandal Deepens

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

July 14, 2005, 4:41 PM

If Rockstar Games thought its statement on Wednesday regarding pornographic material within the game Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was sufficient, at least one U.S. Senator and a media watchdog group disagree.

Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) on Thursday announced that she would ask the Federal Trade Commission to look into the matter, and the National Institute on Media and the Family said they would back Clinton's efforts.

"The disturbing material in Grand Theft Auto and other games like it is stealing the innocence of our children and it's making the difficult job of being a parent even harder," Clinton said in a press conference. She argued that children's access to inappropriate content in video games "is spiraling out of control."

Along with asking the Federal Trade Commission to look into Grand Theft Auto in particular, Clinton introduced tougher legislation on video game ratings that would penalize retailers who fail to abide by them. The law would prohibit the sale of violent and sexually explicit games to minors and would institute a $5,000 USD fine for violators.

In a letter to FTC Chairwoman Deborah Majoras, Clinton echoed the concern of many parents nationwide, saying, "we should all be deeply disturbed that a game which now permits the simulation of lewd sexual acts in an interactive format with highly realistic graphics has fallen into the hands of young people across the country."

Dr. David Walsh, founder and president of the National Institute on Media and the Family agreed. "America's parents and retailers need to know immediately if the code and pornographic animation are on the disk -- hidden, locked or otherwise. We don't want technical runarounds," said Dr. Walsh. "In plain English, America wants to know 'is the code on the disk?'"

According to the creator of the "Hot Coffee" modification, Patrick Wildenborg, it is. All of the scenes were already on the disk Wildenborg said, and all it takes to make them part of the gameplay is the removal of something called a "censor flag."

So far, Rockstar has denied all involvement, saying the added scenes were the work of hackers. However, those who have seen the actual modification say that it is too professional to be the work of hackers, and the actual scene itself must have been some type of "easter egg."

Rockstar Games did not respond to a request for further comment by BetaNews as of press time.

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By jorgosch

edited Jul 15, 2005 - 7:04 AM

America and its puritan government is going to turn the state back into the 18th century, which combined with 21st century society, will nourish sexually deviant behaviour even more.

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By verbalkent

edited Jul 18, 2005 - 4:53 PM

1) If kids get there hands on Games rated Mature by the ESRP, then it is the fault of the parent, and the store that may have sold this to a minor. Not the fault of the games distributor, manufacturer, or producer...

2) Trust me, the world would not be a better place if it wasnt for media violence, video violence, or virtual sex.... Look at the worlds history. The millions that died during the slave trades.. what movie or video game can we blame that on? What video game was hitler playing during his eradication of the jews?? The fact is... without publicised violence, there would still be a s*** load of ****ed-upd-ness going on ;)

/me goes off to play postal 2

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By dkchidester

edited Jul 19, 2005 - 9:29 PM

I am a Corrections officer, AKA Prison Guard, and I can't figure this one out. Games/T.V./Movies can have tons of violence and it's okay but as soon as there is a hint of sex the government freaks out, but if someone commits murder, even in a self defense situation they get 20 years to life in prison, but a child rapist will get 10 years, and be out in 5 years. They need to look harder at sex crimes, and spend less time playing games, Maybe if sex offenders could play GTA:SA with the hot coffee patch they could get their sexual release and leave our kids alone.

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By guitardave78

posted Jul 18, 2005 - 3:29 PM

My cousin is about 11 and he has had all the GTA 3 games. He has enjoyed them and his parents allow him to play them. When he was playing vice city he has to have the volume off. Now he is allowed the volume but knows that if he repeats anything he sees in the game he will lose it and his playstation.

He is a good kid and incredibly polite. So not done him any harm!

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By toad404

edited Jul 18, 2005 - 1:15 PM

this is a load of crap, when are people going to take responsibility for there own actions. if you don't like it don't buy it. it's not like someone is holding a gun to you or your childs head saying buy this now. and if your young kid does get his hands on it take it away. bring it back to the store or throw it out. besides if the kid wants to play it im sure one of his friends has it. so there is really nothing you can do about it. except explain to your kids that this is a bad thing. and you shouldn't do it, but now lets be lazy about it and blame it on someone else. thats the problem today no one wants to take the blame for screwing up instead let's point the finger at someone else. my kid is an idiot because of a video game or a movie or the music they listen to give me a break. be a better parent do your part.

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By karlh

edited Jul 18, 2005 - 1:25 AM

As the parent of a 15 year old I see no problem with the game. I take an active role in my son’s life, I ask questions and expect answers, in short, I parent my child. I am glad that Senator Clinton would like to parent my child for me.

I am sure in her mind she is a much better parent than me. But then again I don’t allow my child to live under the same roof as a sexual degenerate with a propensity for not being truthful. I doubt she could say the same.

Maybe congress should run the country and leave the parenting to those of us willing to do the job.

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By keith00

edited Jul 15, 2005 - 2:44 PM

Check one for fake morality. No wonder congress is taking a beating in the polls.It is not like they have anything better to do?

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By some guy

posted Jul 17, 2005 - 11:29 AM

goverment should spend more time worrring about other things besides games like secure our boarders Ect.... they just try to pretend they really care.

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By guitardave78

posted Jul 17, 2005 - 10:07 AM

Best ban books i reckon. They have no rating, but but my god that jilly cooper can get a bit racey. Or clive barker and his strange obsession with sex and demons and the living dead.
Way worse than anything you get in games.

If this argument is going to go on think about everything else kids have access to. Books, DVDs, TV, Downloads, Music, Chat, dads penthouse, Imagination, creativity, other kids, all of lifes experiences.

In fact lets ban kids. There society is safe.

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By Vasto

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 8:36 PM

GTA was rated M.

M means that the content is only suitable for 17+.

At 18 you can visit strip clubs.

Stripclubs are physical, while GTA Sex scenes are virtual.

I think that 17 year olds should be allowed to play the sex game. It is not Rockstar's fault that parents do not pay attention to ratings.

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By drumcat

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 2:13 PM

The point has been made, but let's reinforce -

This game was a violent, cop-killing, crime-spreeing, pick up a ho to get healthpoints then beat her to get the money back, pimp mission, vigilante mission, gang-bangin, drive-by, colors, mayhem, civil destruction video game WAY BEFORE ANY HOT COFFEE MOD.

But hey, now that there's an animated sex scene, call out the Morality Police.

Hypocrites.

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By kcalvert

posted Jul 16, 2005 - 6:31 PM

You make an interesting point. For some reason, because this has received the spotlight, the politicians want to jump on the morality bandwagon. That does not make this issue any worse than the others, just more noticed.

I am not familiar with GTA except having seen it on the shelfs in the store and seeing what it was about on the box and the title was convincing enough for me that it wasn't anything that I or my kids should be playing.

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By Crypton

edited Jul 16, 2005 - 6:43 PM

kcalvert: Excellent and exaclty my point, good call

http://www.betanews.com/...ot_Our_Fault/1121280297

Pretty much all I have to say.

honestly however, the content was there and locked. The game was released with it locked and the game was modified to get the content unlocked. Regardless of Rockstar's Intentions and regardless of it being in the game at all. It was in locked state, And "Hackers" ? No, "Modders" yes. It does not take any sort of hacking to modify the game, the files for GTA as they have been in previous versions are fully modable, that is why us gamers like it so much. It is a game that provides never ending possibilities and the more content added/changed/unlocked ect.. just makes the game better.

Who wants to settle for a game that is released and does not offer ability to modify it? Rockstar understands this and provides a quality product. The content was locked to get the 17 Rating, but regardless of "law" 17 is mature enough for viewing pornographic content. We got 15 year olds and younger running the streets having sex and they are worried about content that is not real, just animated graphics.

I have a son and another on the way. It is up to parents to control what content their children play/view ect.. If the game is locked and the content is not there when bout, then it should be as good as gold and solid in court.

If the child is not watched by their parents and allowed to add modification to their game that opens more doors and shows something that was locked before, that is the parents fault. We see this BS all the time, and it is always the crybaby parents who raise hell because they are not bright enough to control their kids and what they view or do.

Maybe the parents should look at themselves instead of blaming games. Just like guns don't kill people, people kill people same goes for games and content.

9 times out of 10 it is some person looking for quick cash, an easy way to become rich by suing and blaming everyone else for their mistakes and not considering the fact that maybe they are not as good of a parent as they think they are. Nobody is perfect, but parents who do not think this is something for their kid, don't buy it or don't allow them to buy it, but think to yourself, would you rather your kid play the game or run out and do the real thing?

And before you say yeah it happened before, some stupid kid ran out killing people after playing GTA ect.., let me refer you to the above section about parenting and controlling your kids. Those are just lame excuses for failing as a parent to teach right from wrong and reality from fantasy.

The game has acts of violence in it, this was in the game from the start and known about. Yet the parents are ok with that but not nudity? Get real..

My thought, GTA series is one of the best games made, and most enjoyable to play. After a long day of work I like to come home, eat dinner and lay out the days stress in game. However, I know the difference between real and fake and games do not cause people to run out and do stupid things. (Sorry for digging up and old topic as well but it plays it's role here.)

And yes, even my wife plays GTA:SA. As we Play GTA:3/VC multi player using Multi-Theft Auto

Wish people who cut the BS with their crying for censorship.

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By Prodder

edited Jul 17, 2005 - 7:02 AM

Agreed. Relying on government censorship for guidance is a cop-out...blaming it for your child's actions is downright stupid.

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By kcalvert

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 12:51 PM

"It is up to parents to control what content their children play/view ect.."

Amen to that.

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By kcalvert

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 11:35 AM

Generally, there are three sides to the debate that I have seen here. One, morals don't matter (whether those in that group like to admit it or not); Two, morals matter but it's hard to keep our children from being in immoral situations and; Three, morals matter and can be taught and learned.

I have seen the first two sides represented, but not the third.

Before you ask, yes, my wife and I have children and they aren't babies.

First of all, there are definite moral principles that if not followed that, if not immediately, then in the long run, will lead to negative consequences. Those who are immoral do not want to acknowledge that. The primary reason for the downfall of the Roman Empire was the decline in moral values as a "nation" (not lead in the water).

Given that, people have to make choices about how they want to live their lives. No one can make that choice except the individual. So we have people who create the garbage like GTA that exists. Neither I or anyone else can keep that from happening except the people who make it.

So, the rest of us have a choice of what to do with it. The arguement that some parents don't care is absolutely correct. Some don't. So what do we do who care? Morality is not something that you teach by saying one time, "You can't have or do that." It is something that is taught over time so that when the time does come to tell your children, "You can't do that", they will understand your position, even if they don't agree.

It is a choice as a parent to decide what situations your child is allowed to be in. But at the same time they must be taught what is right and what is wrong and made to understand that when they are away, they have a decision to make. If someone is sitting your children that engages in activities you don't approve of, don't hire them again. If your child is at someone's house and activities take place that you don't approve of, you have the right and the power to disallow your child from going there anymore unless the situation changes. My wife and I have had to do that.

I realize that many situations are not cut and dry. That is what makes parenting so hard. But knowing that seeing immorality and being around it has harmful effects on your children can make the decisions easier. Sometimes your child will get upset. But that's part of it.

My wife and I realize that we can't put blinders on our children, but we can limit their exposure to the moral trash to protect them until they are able to make wise choices.

For those of you who think it does not matter that these things are out there or the activities are harmless: You're wrong.

By the way, I don't like the Clintons either, but I do support her on this.

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By Chunk

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 10:59 AM

Its a game, it has adult content, don't let your kids play it (yes I have kids and no I'm not worried).

The End. Move along, nothing to see here.

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By Sidetom

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 10:22 AM

Ok bottom line is yea kids shouldn't see it, but chances are kids aren't going to be able to edit the game so they can...I'm sorry but most kids under the age of 14 can hack a video game....also the game is not intended for kids anyway. By the time a kid learns how to hack a game like this he should be dealin with the girls already(or probly not considering hes spending time hacking sex mods into GTA) and it will no longer be inapropriate.

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By TheRecklessWanderer

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 10:09 AM

Hilary Clinton is one of the scummiest people on the continent. She has some nerve, her and her husband.

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By julesjpd2004

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 10:05 AM

But, seriously now, how do you stop parents from buying stuff like this for their kids?

My sister, thinks of herself as a very responsible mum and looks after her kids really well and doesnt let them play with guns, yet bought GTA for her 7 year old son, with his money.

I felt like, "accidentally" stepping on the disk or something

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By drumcat

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 2:05 PM

would she buy a penthouse for em?

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By glasscpp

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 10:01 AM

I wonder how many of you actually have kids? Its so easy for you people to sit back and say "be a parent", "monitor your kids", etc

Let me ask you something, how can you monitor your 12 yr old child while he is at a friend's house? Better yet how do you monitor the child while being watched by a 17 yr old, while visiting the friend, who has the game and doesn't care if the 12 yr old is seeing or even playing the game with the 17 yr old?

Yes, this game has a rating of "M" (http://www.esrb.org/esrbratings_guide.asp), which means the 17 yr old is able to buy the game with no problem. The whole issue is that this game should be rated with "AO"! The amount of violence alone in this game should have given it an "AO" rating! The rating system needs to be stricter, there needs to be more consequences.

I agree that more parents should be held more accountable for things like this, but what you people fail to see and understand is that there does eixst parents out there that just don't care. So when your 12 yr old child visits a friend of one these type of parents, how are you able to control/monitor your 12 yr old child? Oh sure its easy to say, "well just don't let your child visit that friend". So I say to you, "good luck restricting your child's friends"! If your parent came to you today and said, you're not allow to see one of your friends, what would you serisouly do? Those of you on here who have kids know how hard this is. Those of you who don't can't even imagine, so don't just sit back in your easy chair and state "be a parent"! ...and believe me it's even harder when you are dealing with a step-child!

All I'm saying is please try to understand how difficult it is at being a "good parent" for your child. You could be the best parent in the world, but if your child is friends with just one child who's parents don't care about this sort of stuff, its extrememly difficult on you as a parent. Try telling another parent how to raise their child and you'll find out the problem in today's society.

Being a parent in a society where a ton of parents don't care about things like this is a lot harder than one would think. I really don't know the solution here. One really can't fault the game maker, since they make the attempt to warn people but at the same time how are you able to control the "bad parents" who make it hard for the decent ones? You tell me what the solution is....

Have a good weekend, I'm done for now sorry if any of you took offense to this I'm just having a hard time dealing with this exact issue at home with my family...

cheers

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By Evil1234

edited Jul 15, 2005 - 2:28 PM

I dont understand how rating this game AO would change anything, those parents that dont care will still buy the game. I work in a store, and we sell this game, every game with a M rating is ID'ed for and we only sell those to 18+ (not 17, we have stricter policies). We also tell the person purchasing the game, that the game is rated M for mature and point out the content label to them. Yet... many still purchase the game for a 7 year old.

Emposing a fine on the store isnt needed, we do our job (I work in one of the nations biggest retailors). Not one single person has ever stopped the puchase of the game when warned, they know its rated M they know the content.

If your child is going over somewhere where the parents dont care, you should know that. My parents never let me go places where they didnt meet the parents before hand. Heck we werent even allowed to own video games until we were at least 16, or watch R rated movies. Pwehaps the parents should moniter their kids better, and not let them go on the internet and find these codes.

And also is Hillaray Clinton really getting into a MORALS battle? Her husband single handedly destroyed MORALS, and she helped by sticking with him.

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By MoRpHeUs2003

edited Jul 15, 2005 - 9:12 AM

My lord, Don't people have anything better to do? The little bit of sex that is in this game shouldn't be a problem. Considering the Game "Leisure Suit Larry: Magnum Cum Laude" is way worse than GTA will ever be in the sex content. I used to work at Walmart when GTA: San Andreas was released. Personally, I don't think it should be sold to anyone under 18 and it shouldn't, but of course kids want it and they get their parents to buy it for them. That shouldn't be allowed. I don't think its a appropiate for kids to play games that are violent. Especially when they are at a young age when they don't know the difference. THERE IS A REASON FOLKS WHY ITS RATED 18+. Its not the developer's fault or the publisher's fault that parents are buying the games for their kids. Sometimes we need to look at parenting for this reason. If a parent neglects their childs, there is more of a chance the child will grow up confused and raged.Anyways enough blabbing from me

Have a great Weekend.

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By Maxwolf

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 8:58 AM

I like how you can pick a hoe-bag up from the curb and get your money's worth and then beat her to death with your bare hands and take your money back plus all the other monies she had.

Or what about how you can swoop in from the sun with a Harrier jet and shoot rockets and large calib. ammo on the crowded streets below.

For the love of christ I can fly a helicopter onto the tallest building in all of SA and then jump off it and dive straight to the ground like a pencil and pull my shoot one second before I hit the ground so it opens up on my dead ass.

Is this cheat something CJ does with his girlfriend that you can get in the game? That feature sucked anyway. I remember the game gave you these set of roses which I thought you had to "use" on her like a weapon so I go to do that and CJ just beats on her with the flowers so she runs away screaming and broke up with me. Sheesh. Women.

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By GimieGimieGimie

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 8:27 AM

No offence to anyone here (maybe hillary clinton) but may i remind everyone that this is just a GAME.

And with an 18 cert, this shouldn't even be a issue, another great waste of tax payers dollars.

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By ubergeek74

edited Jul 15, 2005 - 7:49 AM

Hmm... we are all born into this world naked, sex is required to procreate so what is wrong with something natural in an 18+ game? I never understood how people can get so upset over nudity and sex but don't seem to get upset over violence....Well at least I see my tax dollars going to good use, thanks Hillary NOT!!

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By julesjpd2004

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 6:02 AM

Its about time that all sex and violence and politics and race and sports and drinking and smoking and modern music was removed from society altogether, so that no one should be able to access this stuff and so pervert the course of future history.

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By guitardave78

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 5:15 AM

Good god it is a game. It is an 18 cert. The american government should have better things to worry about than this! Especially as it is not somthing you can get to by normal methods!!

Terrorism, murders, polution, gun crime, world peace. Spend time on those not this.

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By azimov

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 4:49 AM

Correct me if I am wrong, isn't this a certificate 18 game? This is NOT for KIDS. Yes it's animation, but not all animation/cartoons are suitable for kids. Hantai, is most defently not PG type animations.
I really don't understand why some people always think that if it's cartoons, or animations then it is automatically suitable for kids.

I'm sure the Ms Clinton hasn't even seen the front cover of this game, and that there is a big lable with 18 in it.

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By eunichman

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 2:30 AM

This whole arguement sickens me. Don't we have better things to tie up our legal system with than this petty bs? I have two words for all you lamers who think this is a hot topic.. [1] - anime. (look at these anime cartoons for KIDS. we have preteens with 38dd boobs, romance, etc in these things.) and [2] - Hentai ( the worst of the anime, actual anime porn where you have those same preteens having violent sex with multiple partners and in multiple species, We have rape condoned, we have incest condoned, we have statutory rape condoned, we have beastiality condoned, we have more blood and gore in 1 30 minute episode than in most all hollywood movies combined, every base and immoral act one could think of is in these things).

Finally, MS. CLINTON... a little sex and violence in a game isnt anything to fuss about. the kids know it's a game. it's a LOT more preferrable to the sex and violence they have to experience for real in real life, where your very own husband Bill (are they still married?) showed the whole world that laws and morals dont apply to those in power.

Get a life, work on solving REAL issues.. homelessness, hunger, crime, wars, etc. I guess these are too hard to solve because they are real problems, not imaginary ones.

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By Prodder

edited Jul 15, 2005 - 12:43 AM

What's being said, essentially, is that killing people is more acceptable than consentual sex...hmmm...

Package it as they will in whatever "family values" or "morality" argument that fits, that's still the message (irrespective of who this game's designed and marketed for) - as it has been for as long as anyone can remember.

I wonder why nobody's created a game where you're rewarded for going around RAPING people...?

Is that more of a crime than ending someone's life? Nobody would think twice about the immorality of a rape game. Strange...

Hard to reconcile this weirdness - Like most gamers, I've been brought up on a steady diet of violence and gore, and as awkward as it is to say this, my favourite games are those with guns and killing in them. It doesn't bother me, that's just something that's completely taken for granted these days. What a strange world we live in.

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By Galway

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 3:02 AM

Prodder ... You are an IDIOT, you are a stupid moron that cant understand what the thread was created for. Grow up, better still shutup, and leave the intelectual threads to adults that have the brain capacity to understand whats being said.

FOOL !!

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By Prodder

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 3:18 AM

Mind telling me WHY you'd say that? My point is no less valid than any of those expressed here.

The real issue is being completely and utterly ignored - arguing semantics on legal intricacies is entirely moot in the larger moral context of this issue, and I think it's a shame that people get caught up in the details...it's like arguing about why certain kinds of landmines should or shouldn't be legal...they're all godd*** landmines.

Next time you want to berate someone for a point you disagree with, at least say why. What you've written doesn't even say why you think I'm an IDIOT.

...and please spell "intellectual" properly if you're going to be so godd*** superior. ;)

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By Galway

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 6:22 AM

"What's being said, essentially, is that killing people is more acceptable than consentual sex...hmmm... "

That is incorrect, The game rating reflects the content, if there is hidden content, especially sexual then it should be reclassified or legislation passed to allow or disallow it, this is what the person in the thread was saying.

She later went on to clarify the penalty for retailers if they ignore the ratings and sell teh game to a person under the required limit, which currently is not addressed.

"I wonder why nobody's created a game where you're rewarded for going around RAPING people...?"

No idea. hmmm, cant think of a reason why ?
and your point is ?

"Is that more of a crime than ending someone's life? Nobody would think twice about the immorality of a rape game. Strange..."

Yes your right, i would do like china and ban the game, is that what you want ?, email Mrs clinton and ask her to.

"Hard to reconcile this weirdness - Like most gamers, I've been brought up on a steady diet of violence and gore, and as awkward as it is to say this, my favourite games are those with guns and killing in them. It doesn't bother me, that's just something that's completely taken for granted these days. What a strange world we live in."

Thats exactly the point she is making you numpty.

My opinions on your post still stand, if you cant see that then your stupidity is compounded. As is everyone else here who thinks its aceptable for this to be in a game targeted at kids.

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By Evil1234

posted Jul 16, 2005 - 12:13 AM

Yes and then we should also put a fine on people who take there kids to R rated movies. Then we should take all the music that has parental advisories on them, and fine people for selling that. Then of course the librarys, we should all get together and have a good old book burning to prevent kids from reading certain books. And then destroy the internet.. because it has porn.

I seem to think we tried doing this before, like in the dark ages when people thought the earth was flat.

Hmm, somehow i think it might be easier for PARENTS not to allow their kids to buy the game, OR heres a thought, if they do buy it TAKE IT AWAY. Of course then parents would have to watch their kids.

People need a grip on reality.. government censorship is illegal bottom line and im sure that this will all be quashed anyway.

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By Prodder

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 10:48 AM

You're the poster boy for the reasons that sex is such a bad idea...I get it now! Thanks bro!

BAN SEX! PROMOTE KILLING!

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By Muffles 12

edited Jul 14, 2005 - 11:45 PM

Correct me if im wrong, but how is an M rated game corrupting the minds of "our" children (dont have kids) when the ones most at risk of corruption shouldnt be playing the said game in the first place, because of the age restrictions.

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By DerekOzLPA

edited Jul 14, 2005 - 10:16 PM

What you do not acknowledge though jsc is that the patch to make Lara Croft nude in the earlier Tomb Raider games, was not originally on the CD but a project done by a group of talented hackers. Browsing the CD with a texture extractor you will find no nude texture sets, meaning that this 'nude raider code' was completely done by an amateur and not one of Lara's creators.

This however, after seeing footage looks deliberately made by the developers. Why else would sound clips of CJ talking dirty and the girl experiencing an orgasm, exist during these sessions?

Someone over at Rockstar has a filthy mind. That's all I've got to say.

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By shinigami0522

edited Jul 14, 2005 - 11:14 PM

again just because your view their mind as being "dirty" and you label it as wrong, it does not give you or anyone the right to take away their right to express their "filthy mind." The game in no way puts in danger innocent people (real people) by having the sex scenes in it or not.

P.S. i'm not attacking you DerekOzLPA i'm just stating my opinion. And i feel very strongly on this issue and wish there was something more i could do about it.

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By TehTank

edited Jul 14, 2005 - 10:09 PM

I love rockstar games, and I think Hillary Clinton has never played a video game in her life. The kids who play these games have parents who let them, the rating on the game is mature and it's obvious why. Sex in video games, it's great! I want to see more sex in video games. Why wasn't DoA brought up in this article, men love bouncing boobs, and jiggle. If they want to impose a fine of 5000$ for selling a "M" rated game they better fine people seeing "R" rated movies in theaters. Sex happens, we can't hide it from the world, and intentions to do so are futile. In America, where I live, we got freedoms. I like freedoms, and I'm 27 Years old. I can play whatever game I want, and sex and violence is a huge part of the entertainment industry. Denying it is useless, you want to be amish and live the simple life go pack your bags. It's 2005! I support Rockstar in everything they've done.

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By carolekindsvatter

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 9:53 PM

As a mother I watch what my kids play and heaven forbid they see a consenual sex seen. After all when they play the game they kill, steal, and other neat stuff.

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By irdepesca572

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 9:42 PM

Well I know the PS2 version had the sex stuff built right in. You just a special code to view it.

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By jsc315

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 9:20 PM

This is nothing new. this has been going on since tomb radier. remember when in the first one for the PSone , that u could get her naked or was it topless. i dont remember but i do remember that this and was a big deal but it eventualy blew over.

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By shinigami0522

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 9:10 PM

has any1 ever played the Sims? Nude skins ring any bells? There was a patch or mod or whatever you want to call it that allowed you to play with sims who appeared to have no clothes on. Because of the way the game was written a hacker was able to "unlock" these nude skins and play with naked Sims who engaged in sexual activity, and were nude while in the shower. Why don't we see Hillary and her other friends w/ sticks up their @$$es attacking Maxis as well? It is because you couldn't blow people up in the Sims? no but traping them in a room and watching them starve to death is so much better. I think all these people should just back off already. They aren't gunna win just give up!

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By Galway

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 6:32 AM

The whole point od using the GTA example was to highlight that this was BUILT INTO the game. They played down the "HACK" saying it was a hacker who did it, when in reality all the "HACKER" did was enable it, just like you can enable the viewing of hidden foldes in windows, this does not mean the "HACKER" has introduced new code to do teh task, since it was clearly allready there.

All she is doing is trying to get legislation to clamp down on games with such content targeted at kids. And ensuring people who break it get punished.

Lara croft took her top of by someone replaceing a clothed skin with an unclothed one, thereby clearly is a totally different issue, although it can be mistaken as beng the same.

"Along with asking the Federal Trade Commission to look into Grand Theft Auto in particular, Clinton introduced tougher legislation on video game ratings that would penalize retailers who fail to abide by them. The law would prohibit the sale of violent and sexually explicit games to minors and would institute a $5,000 USD fine for violators."

All you have to do is read it AND understand it, it does actually make sense.

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By Evil1234

posted Jul 16, 2005 - 12:27 AM

I disagree, how do you prove that the PARENT didnt purchase the game, and then decide to say it was the child. Sure you could enter a birthday, but i could enter in mine. Not to mention, that a FEDERAL LAW that does this, would require FEDERAL enforcement of it. Are we going to spend MILLIONS or BILLIONS on funding a new VIDEO GAME ENFORCEMENT AGENCY that sits around all day and checks stores? Perhaps we should have the FBI do a raid on the stores that do? I actually dont even think the FEDERAL government has the power to enforce this, as the FTC is only allowed to do state to state commerce, which wouldnt apply to the mom and pop store that only has one location. Now if a STATE wanted to do this they could.

This is pure PR, when the government enacted the Parental warning labels, they chose not to empose fines for the exact same reason, no agency, no enforcement. This is Hillarys attempt to get her face out there.

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By RobertM

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 9:05 PM

"The disturbing material in Grand Theft Auto and other games like it is stealing the innocence of our children and it's making the difficult job of being a parent even harder,"

The material isn't in the game unless YOU intentionally download the hack and modify it (or however that works, but it's not like you'll accidentally encounter it) ... and, face it, it's not like this game is just SO moral and upright even *before* this happened...

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By gawd21

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 9:10 PM

It just comes down to the parents of the children. Like was stated before. I would be at fault of my kids played this in my home.

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By shinigami0522

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 9:11 PM

at least you are man (or woman i don't quite know no offense...) enough to take responsibility for your children and their actions.

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By gawd21

edited Jul 14, 2005 - 9:15 PM

Male, not that it really matters to much.

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By shinigami0522

edited Jul 14, 2005 - 8:41 PM

2 words...1st ammendment!

put that in ur pipe and smoke it Hillary! Why don't you control your own husband from participating in "lewd sexual conduct" before you try to tell other couples how to handle their households!!!!

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By gawd21

edited Jul 14, 2005 - 10:48 PM

Are you drinking? What does that have to do with children watching and playing a video game with nude chars?

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By GeneralLeoFF

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 9:01 PM

Are we still blaming Rockstar for the nudity? Rockstar did not include the nude stuff. They included sex in a disabled form but it's cloths on sex. The nude stuff is a complex mod by a hacker. Rockstar has no claim or responsibility on that. To even blame rockstar for a disabled feature is a streatch to begin with. Alot of games end up with stuff we arnt ment to see becose they changed there minds and disabled it.

Rockstars coments were dumb on this issue but I feel many diffrent mods were being mixed up and they were refering to the nude mod not the simple mod that just unlocks the cloths on sex. I think alot of people are twisting issues here...

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By Galway

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 6:41 AM

"Rockstar did not include the nude stuff."

yes they did.

"The nude stuff is a complex mod by a hacker. Rockstar has no claim or responsibility on that"

They are responsible for the game content, this complex hack is no more complicated that loading a text file and changing a zero to a 1.

"To even blame rockstar for a disabled feature is a streatch to begin with.

This is debatable, and it is being.

"Alot of games end up with stuff we arnt ment to see becose they changed there minds and disabled it."

And so the law could be changed to clarify it, problem sorted.

"Rockstars coments were dumb on this issue"

yup

"I think alot of people are twisting issues here..."

Yup

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By gawd21

edited Jul 14, 2005 - 9:13 PM

I am not blaming anyone. (Ok well parents and I am one so I am including myself) I was asking a question as to his point and he answered it. I stick with my opinion that it's the parents fault if the kids are playing it.

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By shinigami0522

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 8:55 PM

freedom of expression. R* is using videogames as their medium to express them selves. If the government is to stop R* from expressing their creative ideas whats to stop them from saying that an artist can not paint a picture of a lewd sexual act or to stop people from producing pornography? This is all protected under the 1st ammendment. R* has also gone through great lengths to prevent underage minors from viewing the "offensive" content contained within their games by clearly displaying that it is a game not suitable for children in more than one way. R* holds no fault in creating their game. If you don't like it, don't buy it; just as if you did not like a painting or a song, don't look or don't listen.

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By Galway

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 10:34 AM

and i supose muslim extremists who are being stopped from blowing up themselfs and everyone around are being deprived of there freedom of expressing themselves also.

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By gawd21

edited Jul 14, 2005 - 9:16 PM

I see what you are saying, but I don't know if it fits like that but I have been wrong many many times.

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By drumcat

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 7:43 PM

Fair point, Gawd. This probably should have been rated AO. Despite that, "Rated M for Mature" starts every commercial they have, it's on every printed cover, and it's pretty clear that it's for mature audiences.

The reason it's rated M is because a) it's a self-policing service, and b) outlets (think wally*mart) will refuse to carry AO games. I actually expect that W*M will pull the game soon, since they don't want to ever upset community standards (gag).

R-rated movies = 17 or guardian, loosely enforced
M-rated games = 17 or guardian, loosely enforced

I've seen many kids watching disturbing R-rated movies. I know that kids can walk into W*M and buy an R-rated dvd.

I like this game, and I don't appreciate Hillary's approach of how she and her village can out-parent parents. Is there a point under the rhetoric? Ya. The point is that the rules and warnings exist. Long after the windbags switch to the next hot-topic-du-jour, video games will still be there. They are approaching cinematic quality, but don't tell me that they have to play by different rules than movies.

I'd like to personally thank Janet Jackson's aeriola for starting this witchhunt. Thanks.

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By ThaCHEESE

edited Jul 15, 2005 - 6:01 AM

"R-rated movies = 17 or guardian, loosely enforced"

well i manage a theatre and you'd be surprised how strict we are, but we catch sooo much s*** from parents cause we won't let their kids into an r movie. do you know how many parents bring their kids and drop them off to see inappropriate movies? lets just say more than i can count in a week. and even if i refuse tickets to the kids the parents get them for the kids anyway. bottom line it's the parents job to manage their child and what they do or don't see. besides where is a 12 year old gonna get $150 for a playstation plus $50 for the game. just don't buy it for them. they can't legally get a job and get it on their own. the parents enable their kids to get their hands on it by buying it for them. control your own kids.

and i'm sure at this point enforcment of game ratings is strictly voluntary just like the mpaa guidelines.

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By TwoTailedFox

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 7:14 PM

Can Hillary Clinton please keep her nose out where it isn't welcome?

First off, it's Rated 18+. If you're not 18, you shouldn't have tbis game. As she put it, it makes 'Parenting More difficult'.

No! Wrong Answer! That's what they designed certificates for! To make Parenting Easier!

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By gawd21

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 7:28 PM

Seeing how it DOESN'T have a rating of 18+ I think everyone should check this out. http://www.esrb.org/esrbratings_guide.asp

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By spiked

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 6:56 PM

Hillary: "...disturbing material in Grand Theft Auto and other games like it..."

Bill: "Umm, yeah. Very disturbing. Now honey, exactly WHICH other games have this disturbing material?"

Hillary: I will ask the Federal Trade Commission to look into the matter!

Bill: And I will volunteer to lead the FTC task force! Umm, you know... for the sake of, umm... the children.

Hillary: "...a game which now permits the simulation of lewd sexual acts in an interactive format with highly realistic graphics has fallen into the hands of young people across the country."

Bill: That's horrible! I urge all young people to send their games to me. Let Bill save you, kids! I will dispose of the highly realistic... umm... awful... terrible... highly realistic graphics. Yeah.

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By Trojanman

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 6:10 PM

It's quite simple, she's looking for a way to appeal to the conservative republican base in her probable run for president in '08, so she spews a bunch of moralistic crap simply to garner support. She doesn't care about this she's just playing politics.

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By Mystiqq

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 5:59 PM

Ok, so wheres the problem? This game is for adults anyways?

"Did IQ's just drop sharply while i was away".

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By GeneralLeoFF

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 5:56 PM

why do I get the feeling this ones about to turn into the typical "hippies vs. rednecks" flame war thats the real cause of the country being so screwed up?

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By XiND

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 5:29 PM

Killing people is good, sex is bad. Better take notes.

(sigh)

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 9:08 AM

LOL

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By shinigami0522

edited Jul 14, 2005 - 5:14 PM

What a stupid woman...she says "The disturbing material in Grand Theft Auto and other games like it is stealing the innocence of our children and it's making the difficult job of being a parent even harder," so if there wasn't the pornographic sections in the game it would make it okay for children to play it? RIGHT because killing cops and other gang members, wreckless driving, drug, alcohol and other firearm use not to mention the extreme abundance of swearing that is in the game makes it okay for children to play? There is a reason there is an M rating for this game. If you want your job as parents easier, BE A PARENT! Watch what your children are doing, monitor your child's videogame usage.

Even if a retailer sells a child an M or even T rated game, why don't the parents monitor what their children are playing? I know its a lot to ask of parents everywhere but why don't you actually TRY and be parents? IF you did your job right, you wouldn't have to worry about these sorts of things.

I find it funny how its never the parent's fault for what their children do. Columbine was blamed on the music and movies the boys watched and no blame was placed on the parents for being bad parents. No one looked at them and said what the hell were you doing? I for one play GTA and am able to seprate reality from the video games. Why? BECAUSE MY PARENTS WERE PARENTS AND DID THEIR JOB WELL!!!

And Hillary shouldn't be talking about exposing children to sexual materials, look at her husband who exposed the world to his sexual acts. Can you imagine how children felt or what they were exposed to when they asked what was going on with Mr. Clinton? Children are exposed to these types of things all the time. In music, movies, books, magazines, any and every aspect of life is run by money and sex (with a few exceptions). Its imposible to avoid exposing children to these types of things unless you are a good parent and talk to your child and explain to them what is what.

okay [/rant]

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By gawd21

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 5:30 PM

shinigami0522 Well said! Not enough parents want to take responsibility for their children's actions. I for one know no one that would say yeah I fail my children by not teaching them anything other that how to look at a computer/TV. Greed and personal entertainment is just about everything I see. I am not perfect by far and I do my share of spending to much time on the computer, but at least I teach my children what respect and responsibility are. I would not let my children play a game like this nor anything close to it. Games are fun and they are alright if they are taken in the proper fashion.

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By Pipewrench

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 5:11 PM

Hahahahah!

Serves 'em right.

This stuff is getting out of control. Enough porn. Can't games just be games like they used to be?

Why do people have to run around and steal cars and kill people for a game?

Go outside, play some basketball or jump rope or something. Game consoles are a waste of time and money.

Suckers!

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By rob1479

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 9:42 AM

Okay Dad!

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By drumcat

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 7:31 PM

Game - def. a leisurely competition, time-waster.

bourgeoisdude, you have to admit that timewasting IS the point. They are a waste of time. That's why they exist.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 5:34 PM

Agree, and beginning to agree about the consoles being a waste of time...

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By gawd21

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 5:15 PM

*nods head*

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By drumcat

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 5:10 PM

"...stealing the innocence of our children", huh? This is why Mz. Clinton should never be president. This is a "Mature" 18+ game. Retailers are only to be selling these games to the same people that can buy Penthouse, correct?

Are these the same people who don't think it's a problem for theatres to have R-rated movies? Of course, you can attend those with a parent, just as a parent can buy you GTA. Somehow it's the video game that politicians are villifying now.

This is a joke, a waste of time, and the worst part is that Seattle's local news said "are your kids playing video games like this?" and then showed the Hot Coffee mod. Why isn't the tv news getting in trouble for selling their newscast for the same thing?

Hypocrisy is the bane of justice. And the unfortunate part of politics is that only politicians can get elected. This witchhunt won't end until R* gets litigated and legislated.

Somehow it wasn't a greater tragedy when kids could just go to thehun and get their daily dose. No no, that's ok. But for cripe's sakes can't have that in a video game that encourages massive crime sprees!

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By terminalx

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 6:24 PM

Rockstar followed the rules...they put a M rating on it hence NO CHILDREN...maybe they did put something in there its still a m rated game and apparently its not like some kid can stumble across this that easy its not right there in the game while you are playing you still have to work to do it...if children are playing this game its because parents are not being parents...its not rockstars job to watch your kids its YOUR KIDS be involved in what they do otherwise its YOUR FAULT.

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By Galway

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 6:37 AM

She is lobbying to have the rules changed, this is perfectly in her right to do.

"if children are playing this game its because parents are not being parents...its not rockstars job to watch your kids its YOUR KIDS be involved in what they do otherwise its YOUR FAULT."

Also true, but if this does not mean thats the end of the matter. You cant speed, but the law can still put up speed cameras to enforce it the law. They may even introduce laws to prosecute parents who ignore this law, who knows, laws change, accept it or change it.

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By horsecharles

edited Jul 14, 2005 - 8:43 PM

Grand Theft Auto San Andreas: $49.99
Fake drivers license delivered Priority from overnight21.com -- so you can legally purchase above-mentioned: $175
GTO Porn Easter Egg Activator: $00 various sites on the Internet.
Shrill shrew(or is it shrewd?) Hillary Clinton calling for million$ to be $pent on hearing$ & investigation$ into this outrageous problem: pricele$$!!
Sex-err: Visa it's everywhere you want to be!

Aye, but though i walk through the valley of darkness i fear no evil, for thou hadst paved the streets of my great country with gold: whose briliant shine lights up the entire horizon as far as the naked(oops!) eye can see-- reaching far into every crevice, every nook... straight into the very bottom of every politician's deepest pocket.....

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By gawd21

posted Jul 14, 2005 - 9:17 PM

:-) That was fun to read HorseCharles.

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By Registered

posted Jul 15, 2005 - 7:39 AM

look, lets face it, censorship is very hard, some countries allow certain things that other contries consider out of order,

yes it's safe to assume that this material was intended, and further more rockstar wanted this material to be unlocked, so the person playing it can have the full realism that is out there on the streets people. no more differnet then having the director's cut on DVD,

i personally think that considering the game content and theme, this material is needed, as with all what goes on in this game it's just a missing real life element tacken from the game,

i have to say my hat goes of to rockstar for waying up the morals and using the posistion of applusable deniability and hope that they continue to do such things on games in this genre in the future, because lets be honest, if parents have got such debates about these sex scenes, how can they stand there and say "but the rest is ok" it's a game based on real life events, but just turned up a few gears a bit like james bond films,

and lets at least respect that these few thousand line of code took a long time to produce and was more and likely done from one of the sole programmers and was not done as a team decission, but i still have to say, as a parent, that i would not let my child play this sort of game anyway, in fact considering some of the other content i've seen in the game, SEX is not the problem at all, it's the parents buying the games for there children at xmas, or birthday, now that is the real problem what lays underneath this situation.

i can't believe all the things this game offers, and it's SEX what brings people shouting out, the one natrual and very real life element which is the thing whats slated the most, i suppose theft, killing, weapons, and blowing up every emergancy service there is is considered ok. go firgure???

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