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Senators Use Comcast Blocking to Revive Net Neutrality Debate

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

October 29, 2007, 5:21 PM

As first reported by the Associated Press, two key sponsors of legislation that would effectively codify the meaning of "net neutrality" asked the chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee to hold public hearings into the motivations of Comcast and other broadband service providers in filtering certain categories of traffic.

"The phone and cable companies have previously stated that they would never use their market power to operate as content gatekeepers and have called efforts to put rules in place to protect consumers 'a solution in search of a problem,"' reads a citation from a letter to Chairman Daniel Inouye (D - Hawaii) co-authored by Sens. Byron Dorgan (D - N.D.) and Olympia Snowe (R - Maine).

Comcast recently admitted not to blocking but instead to "delaying" certain classes of Internet traffic, which last week raised the ire of Rep. Rick Boucher (D - Va.). In its own investigation, the AP was able to determine Comcast did appear to be creatively managing BitTorrent traffic in one form or another, based more on packets' destination than its apparent content.

A document that was circulated among congresspeople last week by FreePress.net (PDF available here) claims that Comcast was found to be using a kind of policy traffic switching (PTS) service manufactured for enterprise networks by Sandvine, whose intended purpose is to enable rerouting of certain classes of content for optimum availability. By pretending to be the user to which that content is being rerouted, says the FreePress.net report, Comcast can effectively force that traffic to be dropped.

"The method for doing this is by sending an exact replica of the requested packet back to both parties that includes a reset command (RST), which then drops the connection," the report reads. "In doing so, Comcast masquerades as one of the end users to send the false reset command. By cutting off uploads with other users, the session management tool also cuts off all potential connections with that user, including downloads. This service essentially tells a Comcast customer that they are not allowed to distribute any information and limits the speed at which they can gain access to information from others."

Despite that finding, last week's letter from Sens. Snowe and Dorgan may be more important not for what they complain about but for who they are, and the timing of their complaint. Net neutrality advocates recognize them as the principal sponsors of the Internet Freedom Preservation Act, a measure which went nowhere in the 109th Congress, and was reintroduced last January in the 110th. Progress on the bill has been stagnate since then.

"With respect to any broadband service offered to the public," reads one provision of the current version of S. 215, "each broadband service provider shall... enable any content, application, or service made available via the Internet to be offered, provided, or posted on a basis that...is reasonable and nondiscriminatory, including with respect to quality of service, access, speed, and bandwidth."

Notable co-sponsors of this round of legislation include presidential candidates Sen. Hillary Clinton (D - N.Y.) and Sen. Barack Obama (D - Ill.), former presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (D - Mass.), and current Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D. - Vt.). While the Commerce Committee would be the entity responsible for recommending the bill to the Senate floor, Sen. Inouye has not scheduled a markup hearing, although time could conceivably have been set aside for it as soon as tomorrow.

It isn't that Inouye is opposed to the bill; in fact, it probably owes its continued existence to him. In the spring of 2006 when both houses of Congress were under Republican control, then-Chairman of the Commerce Committee Ted Stevens (R - Alaska) successfully drove through a broadband bill that intentionally omitted any mention of net neutrality. But a stroke of bad luck rendered debate on the bill dormant as the 109th Congress passed into history. Immediately after its leadership changed parties the following year, the alternative bill then-Vice Chairman Inouye had upheld as the alternative to the Stevens bill was re-reported as the current S. 215.

Inouye may have been putting progress on the measure on temporary hold to avoid the appearance of pressuring the Federal Communications Commission into taking a stand one way or the other on the issue. By omitting net neutrality from its legislative language last year, the Stevens bill effectively deferred the task of judging net neutrality cases to the FCC, which has since shown a similar reluctance to take up the mantle. Two weeks ago, in a decision championed by Chairman Kevin Martin, it took a stand against taking a stand on the matter, granting AT&T exclusions that would probably be illegal if S.215 had been made law earlier.

Martin's arguments against the need for federal regulation to enforce net neutrality may be picking up steam, and as Inouye knows all too well, steam makes the most noise when constrained.

As an opponent to the Dorgan/Snowe bill, Rep. Paul Gilmore (R - Ohio), wrote last February for The Hill, "Net neutrality has been a strong marketing tool, but it is weak in public policy. Not only is there no true definition of net neutrality; there is no attack on our Internet freedoms. Having a neutral Internet is paramount to everyone, but what Sen. Dorgan and other advocates for new regulations are advocating will do more harm than good."

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By Astro-SII

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 12:20 PM

I had to get Comcast a couple of years ago as they were my only solution for highspeed where I had just moved.
I had signed up for a 5meg download plan, but when downloading anything from usenet, I was only getting 768k speeds. after numerous calls and complaints, and them constantly telling me there was a problem with my equipment, I finally got someone who told me that they limit certain connections, even though it says noting about it in there TOS or on their website.

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 11:34 AM

No, government regulation is NEVER appropriate, damn it.

What needs to happen is to DEREGULATE the industry so that TW and other cable providers can move in on Comcast and compete with them in the market. That way consumers will show Comcast how much they suck by spending their money elsewhere.

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By melkor

posted Oct 31, 2007 - 6:57 AM

I'm going to assume that you aren't an anarchist because anarchy doesn't work; if it did we would see at least one world government embracing it. People in general don't like anarchy, its too messy. Too much violence.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/163

Deregulation only works if there is the framework in place to support the economy.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/185

Regulation is necessary at times, history has shown corporations will do anything imaginable regardless of morality to turn a profit. Some of the most insidious abuses are supposed to be kept in check by the agencies like OSHA, the FDA and the EPA. Those three agencies make it harder for corporations to kill their employees and the general public.

Remember if you argue against all regulations you are putting your life in the hands of corporations who will weight it against making a profit.

When we talk about the dishonesty & nepotism of politicians remember that those they are pandering to are corporations. It is not just the politicians who don't have the publics best interests in mind.

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By Avion Airplane

posted Oct 31, 2007 - 10:13 AM

thank you .....thank you very much

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By PhoenixPath

edited Oct 30, 2007 - 11:54 AM

The only problem with this is who owns the lines.

If Comcast owns the lines in an area, it would be next to impossible (laying entirely new lines) for anyone to compete.

This is the only part that makes me wonder if your suggestion is plausible. it's the same with DSl/Fiber. Whoever laid the lines, owns the area.

The only solution I can think of would be forcing the telcos to give up the lines and have them laid, run, and leased via a third party. Then we get into "who's the third party going to be, and what would make them anything but a monopoly?"

It's not an easy fix, for sure. At least not for this brain.

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 12:37 PM

And you think that these mega-giant telecoms like AT&T and TimeWarner, etc. can't afford new infrastructure?

The only reason people can't use the existing lines now is because of existing laws from a regulated era.

Government regulation always causes the opposite of the desired effect.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 2:12 PM

"And you think that these mega-giant telecoms like AT&T and TimeWarner, etc. can't afford new infrastructure?"

That's not the point. They already have money and infrastructure. What they DON'T have is competition. That's what we need to somehow bring about. Not sure if you read that right.

"The only reason people can't use the existing lines now is because of existing laws from a regulated era."

...

So they aren't owned by one company or another? Regardless of how anyone became owner of the lines, someone is. And it is THEY who have the monopoly.

"Government regulation always causes the opposite of the desired effect."

Again, I'm not sure you read my comment right, as that is exactly what I was implying...? No offense, perhaps my wording was crap. Take another look, I will as well.

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By Avion Airplane

edited Oct 30, 2007 - 12:21 PM

Deregulation i belive that was already done by congress

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 12:35 PM

Tell that to the FTC and FCC.

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By Avion Airplane

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 8:42 AM

Dorgan also said "But if net neutrality laws are enacted, one thing is for sure: For the first time in its history the Internet will be regulated by the government, and that is certainly an attack on Internet freedom."

I thought it was the Governments job to protect us from unfair practices -like Comcast restricting bandwith because of what sites you are d/l or u/l from or to-

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By PhoenixPath

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 9:28 AM

"I thought it was the Governments job to protect us from unfair practices"

Depends on the practice. If it is a monopoly, yes. If it's a private business without monopoly status, they usually let the people take care of it (by not using that company anymore).

I don;t know if I'd call Comcast a monopoly, but that first quote of yours has me a little concerned. Don't really know if I want our government regulating the internet. They've done such a bang-up job with the telcos already...

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By Avion Airplane

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 12:24 PM

the first quote was from http://thehill.com/lette...trality-2007-02-09.html

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By PhoenixPath

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 2:09 PM

Thanks.

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By ogman

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 10:56 AM

A company is a monopoly any time you have no choice but to use them to obtain a service. In my area, and many others, Comcast has a monopoly on high-speed internet access.

I think I'd be more concerned about Gilmore's comment, "Not only is there no true definition of net neutrality; there is no attack on our Internet freedoms." He must be getting his information about the internet from Ted "Tubes" Stevens.

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By Treize

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 4:31 PM

Paul Gilmore died in September, his views are irrelevant now. We need not concern ourselves of the views he held.

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By GoodThings2Life

edited Oct 30, 2007 - 12:43 PM

What if it's the only choice because it's the only one government regulation allows?

When the government split up AT&T into the Baby Bells, that's effectively what you had. A lot of mini-monopolies that still weren't generating competition until the regulation against them expired.

In any case, by your definition, when Hillary Clinton becomes president and starts her mandatory universal healthcare plan, the government will become a monopoly in healthcare. How is that an example of a benefit to people?

Please think more long-term when you come up with these definitions.

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By ogman

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 12:48 PM

You are semi-correct, in that government manipulation, encouraged by cable industry lobbying, allowed Comcast and other cable companies to acquire regional monopolies.

Your comment regarding Clinton and health care is irrelevant to the current discussion.

Was that just a rant? I'll stick by the definition then. Thanks.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 11:51 AM

""Not only is there no true definition of net neutrality; there is no attack on our Internet freedoms." He must be getting his information about the internet from Ted "Tubes" Stevens."

LOL. To right.

"In my area, and many others, Comcast has a monopoly on high-speed internet access."

No sky in your area? If you want to make a statement, switch to satellite. I know it sucks compared, but does it? If Comcast service is bad enough to start calling for regulation of the entire market, it must be, right?

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By ogman

edited Oct 30, 2007 - 12:57 PM

"No sky in your area? If you want to make a statement, switch to satellite."

Note that I said "high-speed internet access." I already switched the television service to Dish and I'm luvin' it! Unfortunately, the internet connectivity available through satellite service is unacceptable ($79.95 for 1.5 mbps). However, if Comcast keeps doin' what they're doin', it might become more acceptable.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 2:06 PM

"However, if Comcast keeps doin' what they're doin', it might become more acceptable."

My point exactly. Thank you for spelling it out so clearly.

There is competition. Just because it is not acceptable to you at this point really doesn't alter the fact.

If enough people switch, how long do you really think comcast will keep this up? That's the solution. Not regulation.

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By ogman

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 8:08 PM

Nice idea, and if there was robust competition, things would work out fine. Unfortunately, there is not. I don't want regulation any more than you do, but when companies lobby for monopoly power and then abuse it, they open themselves up to potential regulation.

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By PhoenixPath

edited Oct 31, 2007 - 12:18 PM

...and you actually think that would be better?

How do you think they're going to fund the oversight, or opening up a new department?

Sure, there's a moratorium now on the internet tax, but we'll just call it a "fee" instead...

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By Avion Airplane

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 12:26 PM

"No sky in your area? If you want to make a statement, switch to satellite."

cost 100 bucks a month + 800 bucks to install ,also has 1/2 to 3 sec delay !

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By PhoenixPath

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 2:07 PM

I've used it. I know. It sucks comparatively. But in other than the most rural of areas, it is also not the only alternative to Cable.

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By VampireFrost

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 12:43 AM

Not only does Comcast block or "delay" P2P but they will block remote desktop connections. I will help friends by connection to their desktops through Microsofts Remote Desktop Connection and I have no problems with most service providers, but it seems I have more problems with people on Comcast trying to remotly connecting to then any other ISP.

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By PhoenixPath

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 9:22 AM

Same here. I can connect to anyone in my area using the DSL provider, but I have yet to be able to connect to one person using ComCast.

I've dropped them and gone with the DSL provider myself. Still can't connect to comcast users...

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 12:38 PM

Good job... using the market as it is intended. :)

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By PhoenixPath

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 2:05 PM

They're losing customers. They are getting a crapload of bad press, and people are getting uppity.

How long does anyone think this is really going to last? My guess is not long. No company is going to hemorrhage users and PR for long and not do something to fix it.

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By KingMotley

posted Oct 30, 2007 - 2:47 AM

I've had no problems with remote desktop to or from Comcast.

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