Just a thought, but if a Sony CD infected a VAIO, did they violate their own warranty on the computer?

lol!

I agree with both sides. On one hand you absolutely need to talk to your kids. If you don't talk to them, then forget about it. But since I don't think any self-respecting parent would do that, hopefully that's not an issue. I do support parental controls, but I also think you should tell your kids you are doing it. Don't let them be surprised to find they can't play their new game on their PS3. Also, make sure you have a good response when they defiantely ask, "Why? Do you not trust me?"

You're right most parents won't even know about it to use it. Those of us tech-savy will, and maybe or maybe not use it. If you can make sure your kids don't want to play these games, that's awesome! But some kids will want to play the games and watch the movies no matter how "good" of a parent you are.

You know, it's kind of like a new system Saab is testing for their cars. In order to start the car, you first have to blow into the key fob as an alcohol test. If you fail, the car won't start. Sure you can tell everyone that drinking and driving is bad. Is it that Saab doesn't trust drivers to not drink? OF COURSE!! :P

"Is it that Saab doesn't trust drivers to not drink? OF COURSE!!"

HAHAHAA! That is funny! but true!

Can you think of a good arguemnet to "Why, do you not trust me?"

IMO, any answer to that could be seen by the kid as you trying to make an excuse for not trusting them or something.

You're starting to sound more and more like a kid who wishes his parents trusted him...that way you can get away with doing stuff and just tell your parents "I didn't do it" and they'll trust you.

Um... My parent's DON'T trust me, and I'm 17 turning 18 in january...

Me? I just wanna be loved and trusted. I dun wanna get away with anything.

For the ones who hadn't seen this in my previous post.

This is for all you M$ Fans out there bashing on Sony's problems. :P

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/...comdex/gates.30.240.mov

Just remember people, every company out there has made mistakes and will be forgivin'

Ahh yes!! We all remember the VERY public blue-screen of death incident.

We're not all M$ fans bashing Sony. I hate all big companies and try to avoid them at all costs :P

That statement in and of itself represents your complete limited intellect. Just to avoid a company because they are big, is just stupid. All companies started off small, and they eventually get big. Its all relative. So by just avoiding a "big" company is pointless, it depends on many factors.

And if you have electricity, a land line phone, cable, or if you have a mobile phone, you aren't avoiding anything, you are just being retarded.

rijp...you gotta understand, that is the same guy that thinks parental control should not be an option to parents, if a parent actually uses a parental control feature they're automatically bad parents...and he also thinks ALL kids should be able to be trusted by their parents. So don't be too surprised by any of his statements. :)

Big companies often lose themselves in money.

Look at Microsoft. They don't care about the consumer. How many of their developers visit their own forums? Do they have one?

"And if you have electricity, a land line phone, cable, or if you have a mobile phone, you aren't avoiding anything, you are just being retarded."
Um... My phone services come from a small company. My bank is a small company. So I'm not using the mungeral large companies.

If you don't trust and love your kid, you don't deserve them IMO. Trust is what builds relationships between parent and child.

you've been watching too much gilmore girls.

What's gilmore girls?

Parental controls are those wonderfull things that theory are great but in practice are a waste of time. Most parents i can guarantee will never ever use it, or will be oblivious to its existance. I have just had a member of staff at the school im a Technician in bring a projector back to the department because it has a "Faulty plug / is it european plug". Needless to say after I stopped laughing and removed the plastic plug guard from the plug they skulked off slightly red faced muttering and complaining it wasnt there fault.

95 percent (Generous estimate) wont set it, oblivious to its presence or lazy to configure.

Forgive my low opinion of the general public, but im my opinion most are complete retards, and im amazed most can get out of bed and get to work dressed on a morning.

******BOYCOTT SONY*********

No...

It shouldn't be a hardware thing, it should be a parent thing.

You 8 year old kid wants Grand Theft Auto? Tell him no and talk to the kid about it, don't put a block on the console, because thats 100 AUD down the drain anyway (unless it's a borrowed game), and most retailers won't sell GTA to an 8 year old.

To me, parental controls demonstrates (sp?) mistrust of your kid, which IMO is the worst thing you can do.

This is the same as the internet. You don't want your kid browsing porn sites. But you don't install Net Nanny (if you do, uninstall it :P)... you talk to your kid(s), lay down ground rules, then trust them to obey the rules (with punishments if they don't :P)... but you don't use Parent Control crap.

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Wow. I didn't think it was possible for me to agree with you this much.

Well said.

Although I agree that parental control features generally don't do much except piss the kid off and make them even more curious to find out what the "big deal" is. However, a parent that just trust their kid and tells them "it's just wrong" is the best type of parent to take advantage of. Kids aren't stupid, and they will do whatever they want when they can get away with it. You really think your kid didn't watch that rated R movie when you were at work because you told them it was wrong to watch it? Nope...he sure watched that movie, his friend Tom from school said it was awesome. And guess what, you'll believe him when he tells you he didn't watch it.

Thats all well and good, but some kids cannot be trusted ... what do you do ... kill them ?
Some kids are walking morons, angry, totally different when with there friends than when sat in front of you. Listen to them talking when they think you cant hear them for proof if you are unsure. These kids are not unable to follow rules and it is these kids parantal measures are designed for.

This is one guy who never did watch that rated R movie.

I'm being completely serious too.

When I was really little, and not allowed to watch PG-13 movies, I actually stormed out of a friend's house when I found out the movie we had been watching for the past 20 minutes was a PG-13. He knew I wasn't allowed to watch it.

I guess my parents did something right...

Not all kids are like you...if they were things would be alot easier huh? :)

Just because there's some kids that can be comletely trusted doesn't mean they're all like that. Parental control is just another tool you can use as a parent...it's not a parent replacement.

Children who are not trusted are the ones that become untrustable.

"Some kids are walking morons, angry, totally different when with there friends than when sat in front of you"

... I refuse to respond to that BS.

"Parent tools" should not be used, ever, IMO.

It all comes down to trust. Do you trust your kid to follow your rules? Does he/she know your rules? Does he/she know that they will go without pocket money if they break those rules?

These are the kinds of things you should answer. If no to any of the above, your rules will likely be broken.

Using Parent controls is a violation of question 1.

lol apparently you can't read...reread some posts and edit yours when you're done...thanks.

Stop doing drugs...get a grip with reality that not all kids are angels no matter how hard the parents try.

so in essence is about respect.

Kids are innocent. It's how you raise them that counts.

If you let your kids run amok as if they own you, don't say that kids are morons.

It all comes down to how a parent raises the child. If they raise it with love, caring, TRUST, and a few other things, then the child WILL turn out as an "angel"

I think you need to get a grip on reality. I'm anti-drug and won't "do drugs"

"However, a parent that just trust their kid and tells them "it's just wrong" is the best type of parent to take advantage of"

You didn't read my post. I said, sit down and talk with the kid. Tell them WHY you don't want them watching an R rated movie.

"Nope...he sure watched that movie, his friend Tom from school said it was awesome. And guess what, you'll believe him when he tells you he didn't watch it."

But how can you prove that he watched it? And does he know the consquences of breaking your rules if you can prove it?

Parental controls, I find, usually undermine the parent job.

I know, when I was a kid, if there was a phsyical block on something (like this), it made me want to break that barrier and get around it. Don't use barriers and the kids doesn't have the urge to break what isn't there. Talk to the kid instead. 'I don't want you watching this kind of thing BECAUSE..."
Don't just say it's wrong, talk to them.

The ironic thing is, the older you get, the more able you are to bypass all the child protection locks and such, but by then, you are old enough to know not to run around the city shooting people with a gun. But as years go by, the younger generation is getting more technologically enabled. I'm 16, and my parents don't really interfere with games and such. So I consider myself lucky. But when I think about my freind's little brother and sister playing bloody games, even on Gamecube, I wonder how their generation will come out. I'm more for system locks then the not-selling of certain games because of little kids.

You cannot blame a generation of games for the behavior of children. That's not even worth discussing.

But you can affect behavior, but kids are going to do what kids are going to do. Do you really know what caused the behavior? NO! It could have been a book, or a TV ad, or music, or a computer game, just because they "SAID" or "SAW" something on TV, doesn't mean that's where they got it. Its a proven fact kids follow their parents behavior and actions. If a kid sees a dad being careless with a gun or aiming for no reason, the kid will do the same thing.

My generation grew up with dungeons and dragons. So what? If that game has such an impact on youth, why isn't EVERY youth that played it or playing it tries to pretend everyone is evil or tries to do role play? That's the point. If you can prove it has an impact, then it should affect EVERYONE the same way.

Look at columbine. Those punks had bad parents that threw money at them to make them dissapear. The kids wanted attention, and they got it. It didn't matter HOW they got there, they could say anything, it all starts with the parents.

A console game, or PVR with controls doesn't replace good parenting. Parents are trying to blame everything on things they can't control so they can say "we didn't know" and not take responsibility for raising their kids properly. That's the real issue.

But I am/was a kid who plays violent video games, and it doesn't make you go out and hurt people, but it just subconciously puts some anger in you.

If PS3 gets Blu-Ray porn like how the PSP has UMD porn then Xbox 360 and the Revolution will be crushed.

btw, f**k parental controls...if you want to monitor your kids, do it some other way like talking to them don't leave them with Blu-Ray porn and a 4 digit code that can be broken in a matter of hours.

Everthing has Parental Controls on it. Its become an industry standard. So get use to it you Ass-Hats.

http://boycottsony.us

sonystyle.com

Boycott Sony.

Besides; it's about as effective as a v-chip. Highly utilized in Utah and certain other "hotspots".

Boycott Sony!

Forgot already?

So Sony has many departments. Sony as a whole is to blame for everything that some disgruntled programmer does, to discredit their name, is that it?

You boycott everything Sony does, electronics, PS3, games, movies, CD's... just to make a point?

What you fail to realize, is Sony is a corporation, not some entity like godzilla. Its not a big monster. There are people that work at Sony, most of which, if not the majority probably don't even agree with what decision was made for the rootkit deal. some lame brain dim wit manager of copyright decided it would be a good idea, and all of a sudden, Sony is an evil empire. Other people at Sony are just as pissed off as you are, but they still need to eat. You can't categorically boycott a company just because you don't agree with one thing they did.

How cynical do you have to be? Thank goodness not everyone will be as short sided as you, otherwise this country wouldn't be very far along if you continue to be this unforgiving.

I think Parental Controls built into the consoles is an excellent idea & should of come a lot sooner!

Now if someone underage is sold an 18 cert game (& their parents are unfortunately for them, b****y), they will be forced to take it back to the store or play it at a friends house, both options suck.

On another note, i'm not sure about the shape of controllers Sony has chosen to use with the PS3 (they worry me, perfect control is a must!) but if they turn out to be just as flexible as the dual shock controllers, then the PS3 is going to rock, and anyone that doesn't get one is really going to miss out! ;)

F**k what name is on the machine, i buy what i know is good for me, and i personally don't ever remember staring at the Sony logo on my PS2 to rid me of my bordom, so sit down, stfu and enjoy the games the PS3 will have to offer, as i assure you, like the PS2 & the PS1 before that, Sony will still get the biggest games database out of all the 3 next generation consoles, you just watch!

Xbox has more games then the PS2.

Nintendo has more games then the PSX.

Whatever, I know you are being childish, becuase your IQ is less than an onion, but you would be wrong. So I am clearing the record.

PS2 has about 3 times the games that an XBox does. Nintendo is not even close the number of games for PSX.

I agree with everyone else about this whole rootkit BS. I am sorry, but the PS3 is a gaming machine, wtf stop buying it cause of a rootkit issues on Windows with there BMG comapny. BMG is a load of BS to start off with and I have hated them for years, but I still own a PS2 and plan to buy a PS3. There games have been rock solid and so has the PS2.

Also the Cell Processor, I am sorry, but I doubt we'll see that on a PC anytime soon if at all, that market is pretty much limited to the current contenders.

P.S. If you hate Sony that much please go buy a XBox or NGC, because those of us that are PS2 and PS3 fans could care less if you no longer buy one, cause that's one more for us. Also think of how great MS products are that a few versions of Windows had a program called Alexia that was Spyware and came installed with a clean load of Windows - that's so much better!
Can't say anything bad about NGC though, other than there game base isn't much of what I like...and that a personal program not theres.

Sony's new Parental controls .. Step one: Install $sys$ on the "parental control" monitoring host PC by opening your CD tray and inserting a BMG Audio CD. Step two: ..

Hah! Love it.

Is anyone who was planning on buying a PS3 no longer going to buy one because of the rootkit incident? You have every right to do what you want, but are you really going to boycott the most amazing gaming console ever because a completely separate Sony company made a big booboo? That's fine. It only makes it easier for me to find one on opening day :D

YES

Me. I thought hard about the X vs PS3... the rumors had the Sony ahead, but no more. No chance. Sony is a turd.

Wasn't a rumor Asshat

I won't be buying any more sony products for the near future... It's not ONLY because of the rootkit stuff, Sony has done alot in the past that was anti-consumer. If you need examples look at their support of ONLY Atrac as a format for their media players until recently and the "features" they're trying to push on consumers with Blu-Ray as a possible next-gen DVD format...

You could call this the straw that broke the camels back

Edit: When I speak of sony, I mean the ENTIRE company. It is a company trend (not just BMG, etc) to push products that are not always benificial to the consumer

OK, that was funny!!!

oh god here are the 10 year old kids again with the rootkit comments. oh well guess i can't feel BAD FOR sony sense .00000002% of there audience is now boycotting them :)

hahahaha..

Who cares? Sony PS3 will pwn your entire PC network as soon as you walk in the house. It will install rootkits on everything it can, including your refrigerator! ;-) Bah, I'm boycotting Sony on this one. The Cell processor looks sweet on paper, but until it comes to the desktop market, I could care less.

Sony did not create the DRM Rootkit "Sony BMG a Subsidary" created the rootkit....god you people should read sometimes. The Parent Company "Sony" and the rest of it's subsidaries (such as The SCEA Sony Computer Entertainment America) are NOT held Liable for the Actions of BMG or now known as Sony BMG.

Plus, if you read this, the X360, and Nintendo Revolution are doing the SAME thing......read people...read...

Cut 'im some slack, man...I myself was only barely able to resist making a rootkit post concerning the PS3.

But seriosuly... I couldn't care less what they do with this thing. They can give it wings, a propulsion system, and offer free rides to the moon for all I care.

The word "Sony" across the front is all I need to see as I turn and walk away.

yeah I understand....the press shouldn't have used the sony name in this whole stupid rootkit thing (well not stupid, but you know what I mean) but sony shouldn't be blamed for this, I think sony should give BMG The boot!

Except Sony BMG is part of the Sony corp as a whole and it is Sony Corporate that should be keeping a closer eye on their child companies... gee this sounds familiar...

Case of bad parenting?
Or did the corporate system not have parental controls built into its hardware?

"Case of bad parenting?
Or did the corporate system not have parental controls built into its hardware?"

HAHAHAHAHAHAAaaa

Oh man. That was funny.

I agree :P

Saying Sony Corp is not responsible is like saying that Microsoft isn't responsible for MSN or Google isn't responsible for Gmail or Yahoo isn't responsible for Geocities.

I dunno about the last 2, they were just examples, but MSN is a sub of Microsoft, but MS is still responsible for them.

who are you kidding, the words "some assembly required" would probably make you nervous...

And who is better than Sony for electronics and game consoles? Lets see how far you get with this..

I don't like Sony at one point either, but I won't be so short sided as to just not buy from the company all together. where do you work? I am going to come by and make a complaint about some nit wit, and then boycott your company.. oh wait, we need people to take out the trash, nevermind, keep up the good work.

So using your brilliant analogy *rolling eyes* Cingular is responsible for AT&T? They bought the company, adopted their technology, so everything that happens at AT&T that existed before the merger is now Cingulars fault too?

I hope you don't plan on going to college, you would flunk PE.

Actually I know some people who are Health and Leisure Science majors (nice way of saying athletes). Some of their classes are really hard. ...anatomy and such. They have to know EVERYTHING about anatomy lol.

I would agree with this move. While, yes, parents do need to take responsibility and teach their kids not to play violent games or movies, let's be honest with ourselves. Preventing your child is a way to teach them not to watch. Of course there are ways to get around everything, like parental controls (go to a friend's house), but those solutions aren't as easy as not playing or not watching. So in addition to teaching your kids, prevent it too. Tell them, "It's inappropriate to play these games, and you will not be able to on your PS3."

I wonder how much Hillary had to do with this.

*rolls eyes*

I'm all for limiting children's access to damaging content, but I'm not sure a technological solution is the way to go. Parents need to take responsibility.

They aren't limiting the access, the parents have the CAPABILITY to if they need to. This puts the decision and ability into the parents hands.

So whether or not you decide to let them play violent games is up to you. If a parent, such as myself, thinks that violent games can possibly lead to more agressive behavior if they're introduced too early, then this tool will help me enforce as such. I can't stand over my kid's shoulder 24 hours a day. And kids will push their luck and actually deliberately break the rules just to break the rules. So even if I tell my kid not to play DOOM3, doesn't mean they'll listen.

Until your kids figure out how to mod the machine...or turn off the "protection"...

Nothing beats parental responsibility.

How is that any different than doing something behind your back?

The fact that they are is the problem.

Why would they have to go "behind my back" if I did my job as a parent? My hope is that they would know better to begin with.

What do you do, tie your kids down with chains and have a camera attached to them with an electric zapper so you can "zap" them whenever you see them doing something wrong?? You're right, parents are responsible for raising their kids and teaching them right from wrong...but if you think that when you send your kid off to school that he won't learn the "fun" side of life and "go behind your back" to do certain things...you are deeply mistaken. You just have to hope you had enough influence that he won't go TOO far off track.

OMG, wait, I am trying to keep my lunch down.. with the thought that *you* could be a parent. If there was ever a poster child for spermicide, you would be it.

What, on all three of them that they're going to sell after their DRM debacle?

And I wholeheartedly agree on the parenting responsibility issue. Netnanny, parental controls and the like are there for useless lazy pukes who shouldn't have become parents in the first place.

And yes, for the record I *am* a parent - of three, ranging from 13 to 18. I have NEVER found an intelligent reason to censor kids and never will.

Sony is just looking desperately for brownie points - ANY brownie points.

...The DRM Rootkit software was made by "Sony BMG" a Subsidary of sony, techniccally BMG created it, not the SCEA or sony itself...

For once, I agree with you.

"Sony is just looking desperately for brownie points - ANY brownie points."

I disagree. If you hadn't heard, Windows Vista is going to sport a feature that does the same thing. They're just going with the flow. This isn't a brownie points thing. The timing might have brought on the announcement but I think they were planning on the implementation of this feature for quite a while.

You raelly thinkg that sony itself had no idea of this rootkit. Sony 100% knew what was going on, no way a subisdiary of a company would do something that big without the parent company knowing. Sony knew the details and approved the release....

Give me a break!

this is pointless, no decent parent would censor a childs Play Station, the kids learn themselves, when they have nightmares, and so on...

Last but not least, eh sony?

And for the record, maniakmx3, I agree about the role of parents.

"It is not up to any industry or the government to set standards for what kids can see or do; that is the role of parents,"

I agree 100%!!!

If that were true, why are so many parents complaining about more censorship?

I agree with the statement, but I don't see people actually practicing what they are preaching. . . .