Anyone who thinks the price of the PS 3 is too high must be crazy. The lowest price you can buy a 1080p high definition disc player is $599 regardless if it's a Blu-Ray player or an HD-DVD player and frankly $599 is a steal for real 1080p high definition.

"Sony's Stringer Admits PS3 Price Too High"

Hmmm.....Enough said.

You don't get the point. People buy a game console for 1 freaking reason is to play game.

Why do people want a smart phone when all the want is making phone call? Buying a smart phone for $600 is a steal because it save you a lot of time, but it's useless if you don't use those features.

So your saying the iPhone will flop...

Uhhh.... He never said the iPhone would flop. Come on Dave, you should be able to read better than that.

I got rid of all of my 360 games (waiting for my unit to be returned from Microshaft..) I am going to straight trade that turd pile for a ps3.. Most of the games out on the 360 are on the PC anyway.

"Most of the games out on the 360 are on the PC anyway."

And your getting a PS3 with a pathetic game library that doesn't even come close to a 360 or PC...ok

Make 360 History:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtekT1_W1BE

I highly doubt you own one.

Sup guys, Pretty good discution so far. In my opinion ps3 is by far, the best console out there. I know by more than 6 sources that the xbox 360 console is being replace by a new one for free (due to malfuntion). The Wii is fun, if you are 15 years old. ( graphics really really suck). I own a ps3 and honestly have to tell you that is worth the price, especially for the Blueray feature. If you really want to enjoy the ps3, go get a hdtv first and you wont regret it EVER. The game play, controller, graphics are far better than any PC ( and that is saying a lot). You can even play with a keyboard or mouse (ps3 recognizes it via bluetooth). The latest system update, lets your ps3 recognize any pc and use all your files, among tons of more features. Regarding the games, dont let that fool you, Gt4, Sacom, nba 07, just be pacient and enjoy all the great games available, especially online ( which is free and works excellent).

I honestly have to tell you, I ve tried all 3 consoles , incluing pc games and the ps3 KICKS a** !!!! After you play HD 1080p games, you wont settle for less. Its worth it. Go get a good job and buy it. (this consonsole is no longer for kids and the price gives you that idea).

bye

Graphics are better than any PC I don't think so!

The 360 being replaced again I don't think so.

As far as the Wii graphics sucking and made only for 15 year old once again I don't think so. The demographic that the Wii appeals to is large and that is the idea of selling a product. I would rather pay for the online on the 360 than deal with the SOny solution, its just a mess. I hope the GT4 game is better then the demo. Yes it looks nice but the game is just BORING. I have also yet to see SOny make a good sports game. The baseball game is a joke as is their attempts at basketball.

I rank my systems in this order
PC
360
Wii
Pcrap3. I was hoping it would be better but it just takes up space in the entertainment center.

Think what ever you like friend. Pc is still N.1 to me too, but the definition is better in ps3 due to blueray. About the Wii, give me a break.. that thing looks like a Supernintendo graphics, you have more fun using the sixaxis controler in F1 using ps3, with HD definition. Remember, being more popular or selling more, doesn't mean is better. ( if that were true, Apple were out of business). About the 360, believe me.. they are still being replace ( Microsoft have recognize it). Please dont compare a system that charges online with another that doesnt and work perfect.( makes you look stupid). Finally the games.. Basketball boring??? by saying that Im 100% sure you haven't even play that game ( nba 07), just go online.. that thing is more adictive than sex.

My rank.

pc
ps3
360
ps2
wii

space in the entertainment center? lol.. man you really have no clue at all. Dont just play ps3 at Circuit city, go and buy one, then start posting comments about ps3.

"The 360 being replaced again I don't think so."

Did't you say this before the Elite was announced?

Put simply, Microsoft don't care about your invstment, if it goes wrong, they are happy, as you will buy another, or pay them money to fix it, if they bring out the 2008 model, you will buy it.. They want recurring income....

I'm glad I chose PS3, it's quiet, reliable, has some great games coming out this fall, and won't be replaced in a blink of an eyelid, by Sony... (save HDD size, which is user upgradable).

Have to buy again and again funny that is what SOny did for years with the PS2, maybe you forgot about that.

If the 360 does break you don't buy a new one. I did have a problem with mine and am more than happy with what MS did to correct the problem. The cost of the money was refunded and my warranty was extended. You really don't know what you are talking about.

You forgot to add that you can heat your room with the Pcrap3 also. The reliable is yet to be seen. The PS2 took about a year to break in astronimcal numbers. It seems that SOny only makes things to break anymore.

I will admit that their HD TVs are nice but would never own one since I no longer trust them as a company. You only need to be hit in the head so many times until you learn to avoid thier products.

The Pcrap 3 has been out how long and still has nothing good to play on it? The system must have been rushed to market to explain the lack of anything to play. Other systems have had a steady stream of titles since launch. There is nothing coming out for the PS3 that I care to much about. I may even wait to buy what I want used just for spite.

"and won't be replaced in a blink of an eyelid, by Sony... (save HDD size, which is user upgradable)."

O look guys we have a fortune teller! MS has done nothing but make improvements to their console. You in know way are forced to buy it. Your current console works just fine.

But noo Sony would never do this....Oh wait...They already did with the PS2.

If you know anything I have posted in the past that I have the 360, Wii, and the PS3. I speak my opinion by having all and making my judgement. You don't agree that's your opinion. Like I have stated before great graphics do not make a good game or system. I also think that the controller if garbage. Come on no dual shock what are they thinking. Maybe they should have paid the patent holders before the system was released. I owned NBA 07 and thought it sucked. In fact most web sites that reviewed also said that it sucked. 2kGames was a much better game but more or less a port from the 360. Why not compare the online, online is online? If you think a game is better than sex than you have some serious problems and should get some help.

I own a PS3 thats why I am commenting. It is amazing how SOny fanboys get so worked up when you don't worship the ground that SOny walks on. You have your opinion and I have mine.

Don't know about you but my PC monitor is 1600x1200 looks perfect to me. Unless you have a large display there is no difference in 740 vs 1080.

Good point, they made new versions of their systems and then took stuff away like they are doing with the PS3. The new small version of the PS2 has the hard drive removed. Lets get people to buy the hard drive for a hand full of games then leave them in the dark. GO SOny.

You chose nothing and you don't own a PS3. You admitted it yourself right at blu-ray.com

****ing liar.

Quake 3 is an even better example. Made in like 1999 and there is still a lot of people playing that game.

[blockquote] that thing is more adictive than sex.[/quote]

Wow. I know someone who hasn't been laid in a while.

Apart from the fact, I am not DaveBG, despite the fact you think I am...

Slight flaw in your post there..

Did Sony care for your investment? How many PS1 and PS2 did you replaced?

I just love you comment, that PS3 has some great games COMING out this fall. For the love of god, it's a gaming console and it has been out out for over 6 months and no freaking games.

"dont just play ps3 at Circuit city, go and buy one, then start posting comments about ps3."

Damn, a new marketing tactic. "You don't believe PS3 rock, go buy it and see it yourself"

I seem to recall the 360 had an even worse selection of games 6 months in...

It wasn't until Gears, when things got any good. PS3 had a MUCH better launch lineup (better than any console in history), although there is admitably a dry spell at the moment, Motorstorm and Resistance updates are adding new things to these games, until Sept/Oct when there is some awesome stuff coming out.

Like the obsolete Core version, where some new games won't play because a HDD is required?

How long before features on the Elite are required, leaving Premium users out in the cold?

How long before an Elite 2 hits the market with a Blu-Ray drive?

Please tell that this is a joke. Great release lsit give me a break. Resistance was good and that was about it. The exclusive games just flat out sucked the reviewers even agreed. The others are half hearted ports.

There is 1 game out there that requires a HDD, which is an RPG game. All the rest does not require a HDD.

"How long before an Elite 2 hits the market with a Blu-Ray drive?"
Why would they want to put in a format that is going to flop?

"How long before features on the Elite are required, leaving Premium users out in the cold?"
Ah the ignorance of your arguments. The only difference in hardware between the premium and the elite is an HDMI port dumba**.

With the demise of the Sega brand of hardware thank God for MS. The video game market would be a very ugly place if only SOny and Nintendo existed. Competition is great. Some companies tactics with DRM and root kits just scare me and make me question ethics. At least MS gives you choices with hardware. If you want HD movies you can buy an add-on if not save some money. Blo-ray movies may be selling better right now but I can see a problem with a video gamer being for the most part the only supporter of a format. I don't see a spoiled little kid with his Pcrap 3 buying some of the older and usually superior than todays movies choices on an HD format.

Welp, new numbers out.. Nintendo support BOOMED in May.

http://www.theinquirer.n...ault.aspx?article=40395

The Wii sold 338,000 units throughout May, which was more than both the 155,000 Xbox 360s and 82,000 PS3s sold, put together. In the handheld market, the DS shifted a whopping 423,000 units - just short of doubling the PSP 221,000 total.

ill stick to my pc, comparatively none of glory and none of the hype either. This whole mess is a crowning example where companies get ahead of themselves and the public gets involved thinking they have an obligation to a product. Just remember that this stuff is solely designed to get at your money.

Aren't most products designed to get at your money? If PC's weren't designed to get your money then... they'd be free.....?

The PC is +$1000 more comparatively w/same specs. All of which are the specs I wanted when I bought my PS3... with a PC to PS3 comparison, I saved at least $1000.

Also on a side note, I will be selling my current living room media PC, being my PS3 will perform all the same functions. That'll pay for my PS3!

Except the PC has at least 10 times as many games, and probably about the same amount of extra functions. From what I understand, you can't even remote-login to the PS3, which makes it basically useless to me as the HTPC it's supposed to be.

Big bucks for little return, IMO. If you want a console, buy a console, and pay a console price. If the PS3 was about half it's current price, it would represent a good deal, but a fortnight's average wage (in Aus) is too much for a glorified toy.

You haven't been in a games store in 5 years, have you? Consoles have WAY more games than a PC (we're talking professionally produced games, not silly 2d online games.)

The games on PC's are far superior to anything on a console. Consoles have a ton of crap games too or do you not see that. Yes a PC costs more but I would use a keyboard and mouse solution if given the chance. There is nothing on any console that can compare to the depth of Supreme Commander on the PC.

Whaaaaaaaat? Are you serious? What store are you going to? Let's look at Amazon.com since there the biggest online retailer to see many games they have (if you click on all games, it'll tell you the total amount of results):

PC Games: 12,043
PS2: 2,027
PS1: 1,902
GB Advance: 1,251
Xbox: 1,224
Gamecube: 735
DS: 459
PSP: 273
Xbox 360: 263
Wii: 114
PS3: 99

Now you tell me which system you think has 'WAY more games'?

On a side note, I kind of knew the PS3 was low on games, but not dead last.

All the same functions I think not.

Benjamin Linus is DaveBG. What a tool.

Here is Holly with his retardnes. What can you expect from a jerk?

You will see me in every one`s post from now on. You have been cursed! Muhahaha!

What an idiot.

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/
http://www.dvdempire.com...Features/hidef_wars.asp

http://blu-ray.com/
http://www.foxbd.com/
http://disney.go.com/disneyvideos/bluray/
http://video.movies.go.com/bluray/
http://www.playb3yond.com/

Have you noticed how Big Ben hasn't said your wrong yet? I was going to say he works for Sony, but then that would mean he has enough money to own a PS3.

there's TurdBG, or is it Turd Linus, or is it Turd Austin, ahhh who cares there all turds

and you calling someone an idiot, LOL, that's a laugh, and you will see us in all your posts, now your cursed turd

"us"? Who are you? You and Holly? You gays? LOL
Are you licking his arse or something?

http://www.x530camera.co...areJune2006-May2007.jpg
http://www.tsurugi.co.uk.../20th-c-fox_blu-ray.jpg
http://img517.imageshack...g517/9619/disneynv5.jpg

If you notice, Dave doesnt comment on the fact there there are 15 times as many BD players out there as HD-DVD and they are barely outselling HD-DVD by a 2 to 1 ratio.

Just the usual name calling and links to his favorite Sony a** licking sites.

By the way, you spelled retardness wrong, which isn't even a word.

He coldnt compete with me on an academic level so he resorts to being a childish idiot.

I encourage this behavior with my constant tearing down of his self esteem. He NEVER stick up for himself to prove me wrong.

Dave, please don't ever leave this forum.

Dave it's apparent your frustration level is rising by the looks of those unintelligible posts.

The fact that you sit around digging up stories all day long shows that if you actually owned a PS3 or a BD player, you would be enjoying it instead of posting all over the place bashing HD-DVD and MIcrosoft.

You never say how great BD or the PS3 is to own or comment on any cool features because the only place you have seen them is in store displays that you sit in front of, depressed because you have no money to buy them. What do you actually do for a living? That's if you are even old enough to work.

Your lack of spelling skills shows your stupidity. Don't they have any decent schools over there in the British Isles or did you just drop out to spend all your time on the Sony cheerleading team.

Sony will lose 4 billion by the end of 2008 on BD and the PS3 by the way. I hope PS3 sales increase ten fold to add another 3 billion to the already staggering loss.

Remember, every time you buy a PS3, you are costing Sony $309.00. What a business model.

In other news, Sony's Stringer also admits that the earth is not a disc. Well, duh.
It's not just the excessive price though. There are no really good games for it, and as the PoS3 is a pain in the a$$ to program for, this probably won't change anytime soon.
Plus, there's also the failed Blu-Ray crap (Betamax #2) that everyone wanting a PoS3 is forced to buy and which makes it massively unpopular.

Sony has lowered the price by 20 percent in Japan...
Didn't help a bit. According to the actual Media Create numbers (6/4 - 6/10), the Wii is outselling the PoS3 by nearly 8 to 1:

DSL 117,193
Wii 64,529
PSP 24,711
PS2 11,097
PS3 8,776
Xbox360 2,533
GBM 481
GBASP 302
GC 167
DS 35
GBA 16

http://www.m-create.com/jpn/s_ranking.html

Wow, someone's been handing out the reality pills at Sony this week!

First up they publicly admit the high def DVD 'war' hasn't even really got started and now they publicly admit the PS3 has a price ticket killing it's sales.

Must be a bi*ch to be a Sony shill/troll and have the ground cut out from under you like that by the company themsleves.

Where are all the angry lectures about what amazing value the PS3 is supposed to be now, huh?

Wow the drama in this forum is pretty intense.

Here is my thoughts, I owned a xbox 360 and original xbox, it was ok and I don't own them anymore. I have/had no interest in ps2 or ps3. I owned a ps1 for years, loved it. I would love to try out a wii it looks like a lot of fun.

I mean damn what are the numbers now 7 million wii's sold? Microsoft has sold 11 million xbox 360's with over a year head start? Now that has to scare both microsoft and sony.

I can't find the wii anywhere, but what do you know I can now find a ps3 anywhere I wish with a 600 dollar price tag, target, best buy, eb games etc. As well as the xbox 360. I bet it would be 50 million wii's if supply could meet demand.

I honestly believe this has to do with price/features/style and reputation.

Sony quite simply did not do their research and were so under pressure by competitors they rushed to market and their feature set was nothing more then trying to one up microsoft at feature set and power with no look at what the consumer wanted or price point.
They should of scraped the design and started over for the price alone. This thing was plagued from day 1 with all sorts of problems, production, parts, game glitches. Lower the price would be a start and reinvent the sony name would be another.

Now I just stick to my pc. I have my keyboard/mouse.

people are insane. does anyone remember the $500+ price tag that came with the ps2 when it came out? And it had much substandard equipment yet... the price was paid and eventually it dropped because production costs came down... that system did pretty well im told. The ps3 was not rushed, it had everything included with it at time of launch that they wanted to including a blu-ray player and full HD support, xbox 360 did not, and still does not have a system with HD movie support and you have to buy the elite version for full HD support.

As far as game glitches... that has absolutly nothing to due with the system, every single glitch in every single game has to do with how the SOFTWARE was coded, not the hardware..

C'mon seriously, you really think HD support is that important? What percentage of consumers actually own a HD T.V. At this point nobody gives a $h!t about Blue-Ray or HD-DVD. The only thing that matters is the game. Will HD support really enhance the gaming experience? Put a HD T.V. next to a regular T.V. and you can't really see the difference in quality. The Wii is not HD capable and does not have DVD. But they're out selling the PS3 by a 5 to 1 margin. All that matters are the games and the PS3 doesn't even have games to take advantage of their gaming engine. The rest of the so called features are just smoke and mirrors.

I do think HD support is important for anyone that purchased the HD-DVD drive add-on for the 360 only to realise true HD wasn't supported.. unless they buy the elite verison.
Yea the wii is killing the ps3 but it is selling to a very broad market and has everything going for it right now.
I agree complelety that the ps3 does not have games to take advantage of the improved graphics or the larger game size compared to the other two systems that is why i have yet to own the system.

my comment wasn't about 'how great' certain features of the system are, it was that the price point is not as ridiculous as people are making it out to be for the hardware that is included, especially when compared to the initial price of the ps2.

I own an HD 40" w/surround sound setup. Do I want to use it to its full potential? HELL YES, byach!
One of the many reason I scooped up a PS3.
I (heart) HD! Thank you Sony. I owned a ps1, skipped the ps2 for an xbox, and now back on board with sony. They met exactly what I was looking for. Blueray + kick a** console = $600? I'll take one right here, especially when blueray players are that + more $.

My suggestion: get a job, get a PS3, and quit your b****'n.

"I do think HD support is important for anyone that purchased the HD-DVD drive add-on for the 360 only to realise true HD wasn't supported.. unless they buy the elite verison".

- What a crock.

Why do you guys always have to lie about it?

.....or is it that you just don't know what you're spouting off about?

You don't need HDMI for "true HD".

"I do think HD support is important for anyone that purchased the HD-DVD drive add-on for the 360 only to realize true HD wasn't supported.. unless they buy the elite version."

Actually your statement is completely incorrect. I'm assuming by true HD you mean 1080p, which the HD-DVD drive is very capable of outputting over both component and VGA connections. The only fault of the missing HDMI connection on the non-elite 360 is one of compatability, as some 1080p TV's will not accept a 1080p signal over component or VGA and only over HDMI.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/746/746074p1.html

And therein your asinine attitude lies why Sony's PS3 is collecting dust on shelves across the nation, while the 360 and Wii are flourishing: Sony has completely taken themselves out of the reach of teenagers whom depend on their parents for allowances and new toys.

You do realize that at 40 inches...1080p and 720p are pretty much indistinguishable right? Chances are, your 40" probably doesn't even support 1080p...so where are the benefits of bluray for you again?

There are no benefits of Blu-Ray. HD-DVD can support 1080p just as good as Blo-Ray.

Yea the wii is killing the ps3 but it is selling to a very broad market

That is a stupid comment. I thoght the idea behind any new product is to do just that. This more or less confirms that the Pcrap3 market is limited. That is never a good business plan.

Notice how the Xbox 360 was not mentioned in this article.

Nintendo Wii = $249
Microsoft Xbox 360 = $299 / $399
Sony PlayStation 3 = $599

You'd think that they would compare the PS3 to the Xbox 360 instead of the Wii. The Wii doesn't have HD capability or a DVD player.

On another note, price cuts on the PS3 are a very good idea. That would motivate me to buy one myself.

price cut will not motivate anyone to buy a game system. games are the one who drives demand for a gaming system.

Great! Now here's hoping Sony admits the error of making the PS3 look like a casket lid!

Microsoft have never made a single cent from XBox, and have recently said in a press release, they are still losing money (they expect to make money on Xbox in late 2008).

It's not a game issue. The Wii is selling, and that's got a REALLY crappy selection of games....

Sorry in advance, to make look like a total fool:

Ramhound: "What a bold face lie, Microsoft has been making money from Xbox360 for awhile now."

http://www.gamesindustry...tent_page.php?aid=24765

Speaking to eWeek, Robbie Bach said: "It's a business that will be profitable next year. We'll make money next year and that will be the first time, which is pretty exciting."

Bravo Benjamin! Now you know how I feel everyday correcting you! How does it feel to be the right one for the first time? Cmon guys we need to have this post framed on the front page or something. May never see one again.

Only...

..He's not right.

Confusion abounds.

Originally, Benji claimed no money was made on the original Xbox...which is correct. (although that statement was comparing the first gen product of MS to a third-gen playstation, which is dubious at best, and just plain misleading at worst.)

OP above misunderstood and made statements regarding the "new" XboX360.

Benji took that misunderstanding one step further and replied with a link to an article about the original XboX.

Apparently, Benji and the OP can't tell the difference between an XboX and the "new" 360.

But does that really surprise anyone?

Dam. I was so proud of him there for a moment lol.

Well whe know your a total tool, as your name suggests. But reread the article...

He is talking about the "XBox buisness", this means combination of both the original Xbox and the 360...

There are som real dumba**es here..

"There are som real dumba**es here.."

You are right about one thing at least Ben. There are Sony fangirls all over here.

"He is talking about the "XBox buisness", this means combination of both the original Xbox and the 360..."

Meaning most of that loss probably came from the Xbox 1.

He is talking about the "XBox buisness", this means combination of both the original Xbox and the 360...

Meaning:

The no money was made on the original and it is expected that by next year they will be turning a profit on the 360.

Really, it would help if you read you own articles (without the Sony blinders on).

Again, MS is on their second gen, Sony is on their third. If anything, the current competition between the two, with MS a gen behind, tells us how badly Sony is handling this. Not to mention the Wii...

"High losses due to the PS3 are drowning out successes in other aspects of its business, including strong HDTV sales and improving performance in its Blu-ray division."

The problem with this statement is that you wouldn't have any improving performance in its blu-ray division without the PS3.

$600 for a toy and they're not flying of the shelves???
I wonder why! maybe it's the color :-)

That's what happens when you overcharge for a mediocre product.

Not to forget, GS5, this is what companies can expect when they forcefully hawk an expensive product to an uncertain, wavering audience. Couple that with a meek market and strong opposition from competitors, and you have a recipe for...Sony's current doldrums.

Sony clearly has not learned from their minidisc woes of yesteryear...

take about $300 off sony's asking price it might just shift units eveywhere

$200 off is enough for me, but I'm also waiting for an economic way of getting games.

Did PS3 remind anyone on 3DO? Great system with greater promise.

Same results to! lol

"Sony's Stringer Admits PS3 Price Too High"

Looks like we are finally on the same page here Stringer! Except he forgot to mention as stated below the games are less than desirable as well.

i cant believe Microsoft is beating them at their own game. Nintendo, we all know, has always been the silent killer.

Price is right for what you get, the console is impressive,blue ray disc player "AWESOME", it looks even better that most expensive players, gaming "INCREDIBLE", sound, capabilities, "JUST GREAT"...but let's be honest...games "JUST A FEW", SONY should have more Titles, so sad that a magnificent console is left behind.

I guess someone forgot to tell the consumers. You best start making all that garbage public knowledgem put it on your 'myspace'

I could probably agree that the price is right for what you get. The problem is that not everyone wants everything you get with it.

MS definetely made the right move by giving consumers a choice and not bundling an HD-DVD drive into it. Had they added an HD-DVD drive, the price would have been the same as the PS3 and it would have had slow sales as well.

I agree completely. By not including an HD-DVD drive automatically, MS gave an affordable option to gamers who do not have HD TVs anyway. Then it gives you the option to get the drive later if you buy an HDTV. For me, I don't have one, so BluRay on the PS3 is retarded, and I realize I am paying hundreds for functionality I can't use. At least with the 360 it is optional.

Also the 360 allows you to spread it out a little. It is a whole lot easier to spend $400 and then $150-$200 later(depending on what kind of deals are going) later. Also if you can't afford the $400 you can get the core and just upgrade it as you get the money. MS made no mistake in making options. Let the customer choose instead of making the choice for them.

If they lower the price of the PS3 another $100, all they will do is lose $409 per console instead of $309.

The more they produce / sell, the more they lose. I agree the game selection is what's killing the PS3. It's a decent movie player and a great gaming console with hardly any exclusives. Motor Storm is pretty cool though.

It was a bad idea to get into the next gen console war a year late. It seems to be driving BD movie sales but at a much lower rate than HD-DVD, whose fans seem to be more loyal and spend a lot more money on movies.

That's how much they claim they lost. Who know. It could be a cover up because executives were stealing from the company.

Nobody company will release a production to lose money. Of course, unless you are MS who has deep Pockets.

"Nobody company will release a production to lose money. "

Never heard of a loss-leader have you? You probably have one on your desk; it's called a printer.

Sup,

I'm still waiting on that PS3 killer app as well....

Nice try at trolling, but you know that price you quoted is now a year old.

Since them, the price of BD lasers have dropped significantly, production has ramped and Euro PS3 have lower component count, due to software PS2 emulation.

If they drop $100 off the price, It's likely the loss will be about $200 in total. Considering PS2 and PSP are still making SOny money, things arn't so bad.. Microsoft have never made a single cent from XBox, and have recently said in a press release, they are still losing money (they expect to make money on Xbox in late 2008).

There are some cool game NOW, and some fantastic games in the runup to Xmas. If Sony can get $100 drop, with the lineup of games it has coming, it will be a PS3 Xmas. 360 was 05/06 news, Wii was 06/07 news, and PS3 will be 07/08 news...

So how much is the PS3 losing per console now?

Please provide the data and your source.

Thank you...

The point he was making was they will still lose money as there are not enough games to justify buying said console.

You'll jump on anyone who dares mention sony in a bad way.

"Nice try at trolling" Yah but we know no one could ever troll as good as you Ben.

"Sony's gaming unit is increasingly becoming a liability for the company, and is beginning to cause concern among investors. For the fiscal year ending March 31, the once powerful unit posted a staggering $2 billion loss."

Gaming unit INCLUDES the PS2 and PSP. $2 billion loss...Yah they are really helping a lot there. There is a difference between MS and Sony losing money. MS can afford it Sony can't. Also the 360 is going to be profitable here pretty soon, while the PS3 is a looong ways from being profitable.

"There are some cool game NOW, and some fantastic games in the runup to Xmas. If Sony can get $100 drop, with the lineup of games it has coming, it will be a PS3 Xmas. 360 was 05/06 news, Wii was 06/07 news, and PS3 will be 07/08 news..."
Lol...What news of what a huge failure it is? http://biz.gamedaily.com...ustry/feature/?id=16507 Ah PS3 only sold 81k...tisk tisk.

Also evidently those games weren't cool enough because none of them made the top list.
1 Pokemon Diamond—DS—Nintendo

2 Mario Party 8—Wii—Nintendo

3 Spider-Man 3—PS2—Activision

4 Pokemon Pearl—DS—Nintendo

5 Wii Play w/remote—Wii—Nintendo

6 Forza Motorsport 2—Xbox 360—Microsoft

7 Guitar Hero II w/guitar—Xbox 360—Activision

8 Spider-Man 3—Xbox 360—Activision

9 Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars—Xbox 360—Electronic Arts

10 Guitar Hero II w/guitar—PS2—Activision

Also the 360 already has a killer fall lineup that is going to be a very tough one to beat. Then there are talks about a price drop. Things are not looking to get any better for the PS3 in the future.

oh my god dude!! JUST SHUT THE HELL UP!!!! PLEASE!!!! DUDE YOU DONT EVEN GIVE US ANY "LINK" THAT SHOWS HOW RIGHT YOU ARE!!! BESIDES AS MY FOOTBALL COACH(REAL FOOTBALL NO SOCCER SH!T) TOLD ME ONCE "DONT EVER TALK SMACK IF YOU DONT PROVE THAT YOU CAN DO IT/SHOW IT"

"Nice try at trolling, but you know that price you quoted is now a year old."

Maybe so, but Sony is still losing money hand over fist, even with these amazing new production cost drops.

"Euro PS3 have lower component count, due to software PS2 emulation."

Translation: Sony is desperately trying to cut corners, even if it means shafting their European customers. You get less for the same..err, for a HIGHER price.

"Considering PS2 and PSP are still making SOny money, things arn't so bad.."

It doesn't matter. Sony's game division is looked at as a WHOLE, and as a whole they lost $2 billion last fiscal year. You can't ignore a staggering loss like that by looking at areas of the gaming division that made money. If the PS2 and PSP both *made* money, yet overall they still lost over $2 billion, that means the PS3 lost *MORE* than $2 billion. Whatever profit the PS2 and PSP made got absorbed by the huge losses created by the PS3. That's something to think about.

"Microsoft have never made a single cent from XBox"

Your point being? Maybe they haven't made any money, but they also haven't lost $2 billion dollars last year. It shows you the tables are turning. Sony is continuing to rack up staggering losses while Microsoft is finally breaking even and starting to make money. They knew from the start it would take years to break even. Besides, Microsoft is a company that can afford to keep losing money on their consoles, Sony is not. A company losing money on their consoles is actually a good thing for consumers. It means we're getting the hardware for cheap, EXCEPT when it causes so much loss that it threatens the company itself.

So you can keep pointing fingers at Microsoft every time there is bad news about Sony. If both MS and Sony kept losing money at the same rate they're doing now, guess which one will be out of business soon?

Oh and since you're so keen on pointing out that Microsoft won't be making a profit on the Xbox until 2008, when do you suppose Sony will be making a profit on the PS3? My guess is never.

"There are some cool game NOW, and some fantastic games in the runup to Xmas."

Really? Name a few then. You have to name games which aren't already available on other system, and they can't be personal favorites. Meaning, they have to be games that actually SELL and make money, not just games that YOU consider to be cool. Come on, get serious. We all know the PS3 hasn't had any chart toppers and probably won't anytime soon.

Sony is getting very few exclusive titles for the PS3 this time around, compared to what they had on the PS2. Even the creator of the Final Fantasy series announced he has no intentions of developing for the PS3. OUCH!!

Hi DaveBG / Benjamin Linus,

You arent fooling anybogy with those bogus names. Your posts are so easy to spot it's pathetic. The fact that you have changed names about five times and I am still Hollywood just shows your desperation.

Go back to the blu-ray.com forum and graze with the other brainwashed Sony sheep. It's the only place people agree with you and why shouldn't they? The whole furom is filled with clones of you all saying the same thing.

Most of the members still dont own a PS3 or stand alone BD player. You are such a loser, I can't imagine what it feels like to have no money to buy the products you are cheerleading.

Pathetic, pathetic, little troll.

Pretty soon you will figure out nobody likes you here and the only reason we want you around is for entertainment purposes.

CarLox,

It's DaveBG again under a new name. Relax. He's just a broke, desperate fanboy with no life who probably cries when he jerks off.

Hey plague,

DaveBG has gotten so bad at bulls***ting, he can't even remember what he said a couple of weeks ago.

The difference between Sony and Microsoft is MS can afford to take a beating in the gaming market.

I still don't get what his infatuation with Sony is. It's just weird, like him.

Microsoft have never made a single cent from XBox

You do realize you are comparing first gen with 3rd gen, right?

It's understandable to lose money on the first gen hardware. Not so understandable when you are supposedly the market leader on your third gen unit.

"and the only reason we wan't you around is for entertainment purposes."

I must say making the Sony fangirls look like idiots over and over again is quite entertaining lol. And so easy too!

Dave, you and your little Sony fantasy world are pathetic.

Couldn't agree less. The price is not a big issue, the game is the issue with the PS3. There is simply no PS3 game.

The WII success is part due to the price, but most importantly, it's the design of the system. It get the people to interactive with the system as oppose to other systems that basically sit on your a** forever.

It's not a game issue. The Wii is selling, and that's got a REALLY crappy selection of games....

Terrible comparison.

The Wii is very different and appeals for to people for different reasons. Plus its cheap and includes a game. For $250, you are home gaming. For $550-560 minimum, you can go game with a PS3.

With PS3, it is a combination of lack of games (how many current PS3 titles are exclusive?) and price.

CANT YOU JUST SHUT THE HELL UP?

"The price is not a big issue, the game is the issue with the PS3."

Are you kidding me?? Price is a HUGE issue. Everybody knows the "sweet spot" for a console is around $199-249 USD. This is why the Wii is selling so well. Yes, games are important too, but you need a well priced console *and* good games to have a winner. You can make the most amazing game ever, and people still won't go and waste $600+ just to play it.

Even the cheaper version of the Xbox360 at $299 is fairly pricey and really pushing the limit. The PS3 is TWICE that price. You can buy a Wii, lots of accessories and a bunch of the top titles for the same price as a PS3. It doesn't matter how advanced the system is, if it's pricey, it won't sell. It's as simple as that. If Google released a console that cost $10,000 to manufacture and they tried to sell it for $1,000 it would be a great bargain and everyone would buy it, right? WRONG.

Again, the sweet spot is around $199-249 USD. You can *maybe* push that to $299 at the most. This is why the Xbox360 isn't doing so stellar. They're doing "alright", but nothing to brag about. Sony on the other hand is doing horribly. Even if they dropped the price of the PS3 by $100, it still wouldn't be nearly enough. Also, if Sony does drop the price of the PS3, you can bet your arse Microsoft will follow suit in a heart beat.

"Terrible comparison."

Yes, of course it's a terrible comparison. Sony cannot be compared to anyone, because they have no equal! *roll eyes*

Let's sum it up. You can't compare the PS3 to the Wii, because they have a very different target audience. You also can't compare the PS3 to the Xbox360, because Microsoft had a year head start.

Basically, you can't compare the PS3 to *any* of the nex-gen consoles, because Sony is losing against BOTH of them. Now if Sony was winning, then the Sony zealots around here would have noooo problem comparing the PS3 to the other two systems. Does that about cover it?

DaveBG again, pissed because the lowest priced, worst resolution next gen gaming system is taking away all those potential PS3 customers.

Oh yeah, the Wii is actually profitable. Too bad Dave, you'll just have to live with the fact that an inferior system is kicking everyones a** and it's not made by Sony.

You are truly pathetic.

What is funny about this though is people are foaming at the mouth for an Iphone which is between 500-600 dollars.

Granted, its a different market but still price is not the issue overall; its the games and Sony does not deliver in this dept.

Sony has not released anything that is WOW.

The iPhone will be subsidised by the carriers, so i'll basically get it for free when I sign a £40/month contract for 18 months (well I won't cos i don't want one) but its rather different to the PS3. Price is the major factor. Wii is hardly rolling in good games. It has a few. so does PS3.

I doubt carriers will subsidize the ENTIRE cost of the iPhone. Go into any Car Toys and many of their Windows-based SmartPhones are like $199 with activation & 2-year contract...and that's after a couple $50 mail-in rebates. I'd expect the same for the iPhone.

As for the PS3 & games, it's a Catch-22. People won't invest in a high-priced console that has a minimal software library; developers won't invest time/money making games for an underselling console. Solution (I know people have suggested it before): Sony ad for PS3 "The lowest-priced Blu-Ray player available! (Oh, and it plays cool games too.)"

Who on earth actually WANTs an iPhone?

It's a substandard phone, and a substandard music player... No thanks... I's rather keep them seperate, and have the best of each.

Actually Apple is forbidding any carrier from subsidizing the iPhone since they want to keep up their "image."

Who on earth actually WANTs a PS3?

It's a substandard console, and a substandard movie player... No thanks... I's rather keep them seperate, and have the best of each.

/there fixed that for you

WHO ON EARTH ACTUALLY WANT ANY SONY PRODUCT?

IT'S A SUBSTANDARD COMPANY!!!!

Guy, you put the RAD in *r*eductio *a*d absur*d*um, and make about as much sense as a holey umbrella.

"Who on Earth actually wants an iPhone?" Is this joker serious?

wrong. what carriers? cingular who has a guaranteed exclusive lock on the device for 2 years? The $499 price tag is subsidized already for the 4gb model with a 2yr contract and $599 for the 8gb model. The no commitment pricing of the phone will be around 800 for the 4gb and if you think that is alot the treo 750 are near a grand unsubsidized price so it not. Die hard apple fans will buy it even tho the 8gb is the same price as the ps3 its not about what the device is, it brand loyalty.

As far as you getting it for euros at all... not happening for two years, the phones will be refused subsidy unlocks even for international travel during that time, its staying with cingular in the us.

Terminalx pretty much summed it up lol.

Again,

Dave is mad because those are potential Sony dollars. Just because people would rather buy a phone that cost more than a PS3 makes him angry because he is broke and can't afford either.

I'm sure he's beta tested one and given his objective opinion. Oh that's right, he's never done that with anything.

It's like those people who live next to an airport and are frustrated because they see other people leading important lives and going on vacations all day long and are frustrated because they have no money and a dead end life.

That's basically a microcosm of this guys life except it's HD movie players and next gen game consoles that he can't afford to buy. But he pretends to be an expert to feel important.

He posts constantly on blu-ray.com referring to BD as "our" and "we" making it seem like he is some important Sony executive.

I've studied psychology and human behavior, you are a textbook wannabe little sheep follower with no mind of your own. I think they are looking for new lemmings in Jonestown to drink the Kool-Aid, maybe you should go.

Hey Lord CapsLock,

Don't let this moron get you the least bit upset. Just keep chipping away at his self esteem until he develops a mental disorder.

I've already done so much damage, he probably dresses in women's drag.

Hey CarLox,

Sony does make a great CRT TV or did I should say, as they are going they way of the buggywhip.

Thier camcorders are second to none in my opinion, the only reason I replaced the 8MM video with a DVD-R version is because after seven years of abuse, my wife dropped it on the bathroom floor at Treasure Island in Las Vegas. I was able to get it working by taking apart the eyepiece and soldering a small part back to the board but we wanted something smaller and easier to watch right away so we went with the DVD-R.

Not everything they make is junk like thier car audio and home theater equipment.

Stupid fool, star taking after you own a ps3. This console is the best outthere and has no comparison. It is worth the money if you have a hdtv.

Dream on, dream on.