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South Korea Fines Microsoft $32 Million

By Nate Mook, BetaNews

December 6, 2005, 10:07 PM

UPDATED Less than a month after it reached a $30 million settlement with South Korean Internet portal Daum, Microsoft has been fined another $32 million by the country's Fair Trade Commission. The Korean FTC has also ordered Microsoft to unbundle its instant messaging client and media player from Windows, and link to competing software.

Daum and RealNetworks had previously complained to the country's antitrust watchdog in 2001 about the bundling. Although both companies have recently settled with Microsoft and dropped their claims, the KFTC said it would continue its investigation.

The commission has demanded that Microsoft offer two separate versions of Windows in South Korea. One version must be stripped of Windows Messenger and Windows Media Player, while the other must include links directing customers to competing software downloads as an option.

"The Korea Fair Trade Commission found such tying practices liable because they constitute abuse of market dominant position and unfair trade practices under monopoly regulations and the Fair Trade Act," the KFTC told reporters.

Microsoft has 180 days to comply with the order, which lasts for 10 years. After 5 years, Microsoft may appeal the decision once per year, depending on market conditions.

In a statement, Microsoft said the integration of IM and media player functionality "has created great value for consumers and opportunities for Korean developers," adding that the decision "could have the effect of chilling innovation in Korea."

Microsoft previously claimed in an SEC filing that if it were required to change Windows, it may "delay offering new versions in Korea" or withdraw the operating system entirely. However, the company now says it will not back away from the Korean market.

"We intend to appeal this decision because it is inconsistent with Korean law. Nevertheless, we will continue developing products for Korean consumers in a way that complies with all laws and is pro-competitive," Microsoft said. "We remain committed to Korea and look forward to continuing to serve the interests of Korean consumers as well as the rest of the Korean information technology industry."

Microsoft has already been forced to separate Windows Media Player from its operating system in Europe as part of a 497 million euro judgment in March 2004. The company released Windows XP 'N' in June of this year, but it is only available in Europe and demand has been minimal.

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By lordnaastik

posted Dec 8, 2005 - 12:56 PM

microsoft doesnt damn rule the world and it wants international monopoly it must adhere to the rules of the country.it seems that since US is the richest in the world it has the right to tell any country anything. forget it. u might have internet control but ull never have world control

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By yaskulka

edited Dec 8, 2005 - 10:00 AM

I love MWP - I use it everyday, together with K-lite codecs pack. Windows Media Player loads very fast, can play almost any type of media. I tried to use RealPlayer, QuickTime, iTunes - those a horrible things.

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By Hall9000

edited Dec 8, 2005 - 12:54 AM

Gets on soap box.

If there is someone that can complain about M$ it's me, yet if there is one thing I've noticed about Windows is that all its components are a bit like a sketch of what could be done... better! Take Avant browser that I like so much. IE by itself is simplistic at best but add Avant and it's a different and better browser.(Please, this isn't about "other browsers") Anyway, any Windows component can be easilly replaced! Now if Windows came as a non modifiable operating system I would understand perfectly why people would scream bloody murder but almost every body seems to conveniantly forget that Windows is a PLATFORM to use any kind of software you may want to use instead of the original MS software included with Windows! Windows comes in two flavors, one is as is, for those that don't care what they use as long as it works, and the second one is for the rest of us, those that will even try to put mactac on their computer casing!:P

If I were to go by South Korea's logic, all car manufacturers should sell their cars without tires because it could be interpreted as forcing a car owner to use only one brand of tire.:P

Gets off soap box. :P

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By JacenSolo

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 11:45 PM

http://australianit.news...123%5e%5enbv%5e,00.html

US Returns fire over South Korea ruling.

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By dvferret

posted Dec 8, 2005 - 8:21 AM

I think this ruling is rediculus. If you dont want the crap on your computer why cant the lazy people uninstall it them selves?

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By BIL

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 6:40 PM

Go here to get the short PDF concerning the decision.

http://ftc.go.kr/data/hwp/micorsoft_case.pdf

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By rijp

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 4:29 PM

Hmm.. Americans didn't complain about this feature....

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By maniakmx3

posted Dec 8, 2005 - 9:13 AM

Because we have money. We have no reason to complain lol

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By microFawad

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 4:14 PM

Microsoft should give customize install so that the users can select to install WMP and IM (If they wan't).

Black-Wolf:
"Tell those Korean money eaters... we will leave"

I think the Europeans r also same. I also think that these folks don't want free things with an OS.

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By citizen420

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 5:02 PM

"I think the Europeans r also same. I also think that these folks don't want free things with an OS."
we dont mind the free stuff, but stupidly integrating features so they are a pain to remove if you dont want them is inconvinient to the end user, just as you said
"Microsoft should give customize install so that the users can select to install WMP and IM"
and it is a good idea. let the end user chose. there should be no need for nLite. but at the moment its a life-saver.

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By dvferret

posted Dec 8, 2005 - 8:22 AM

Yah it seems they are the same way.

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By Niro

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 11:24 PM

hah...well then get ready to start paying for all those "inconvinient" applications that you used to get free.

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By microFawad

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 4:09 PM

hah, everyone is jealous with Windows OS.

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By dvferret

posted Dec 8, 2005 - 8:22 AM

100% true lol

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By fewt

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 7:01 PM

Yeah, that's it *ROLLS EYES*

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By rijp

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 4:30 PM

I TOTALLY agree.

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By fourte3n

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 3:16 PM

this is getting stupid... next we will be getting a dos xp because they shouldnt be including a GUI, Icons, Wallpapers, Sounds, etc etc etc...

...then what? cars without wheels to aloow competition?

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By Black-Wolf

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 2:34 PM

Tell those Korean money eaters... we will leave.

It's either they take it or leave it.

They want the money from the US company... no way!

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By citizen420

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 5:05 PM

"Tell those Korean money eaters... we will leave.

It's either they take it or leave it.

They want the money from the US company... no way!"

They could have said the same thing here in europe, but face it, Microsoft is dependant on the international market.

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By KSzostek

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 9:37 PM

Not really!

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By russshoe

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 1:26 PM

Microsoft should tell them to stuff it

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By russshoe

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 1:25 PM

Microsoft should tell them to stuff it!

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By bourgeoisdude

edited Dec 7, 2005 - 4:52 PM

apparently you clicked the "Post" button instead of pressing the "Edit Comment" button...

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By Gorthal

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:31 PM

Oh, but the exclamation mark changes the meaning so much that a new post was required.

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By AntiochMedia

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 1:10 PM

I would love for Windows to come with Internet Explorer and a simple bundle of applications. To install MSN Messenger, Windows Media Player, and other applications that directly compete with other large players, it would make sense for Internet Explorer's start page to include links to download additional Microsoft Applications.

It would be beneficial since it would give users a choice as well as ensuring that the latest version is being distributed.

I don't necessarily agree with the court case since I too believe that RealPlayer as a horrible application that only has value in contracts that it has managed to ink with AOL/Time Warner and the court case that would prove more profitable than their player.

I do think that Microsoft has the ability to move their own philosophy forward and benefit greatly by complying in an intelligent way.

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By Maxwolf

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 11:10 AM

"Microsoft has 180 days to comply with the order, which lasts for 10 years. After 5 years, Microsoft may appeal the decision once per year, depending on market conditions."

What in the hell is going on with people? If Microsoft has something in their operating system that you made once apon a time that means you can sue them?

Microsoft should just pull their software out of South Korea, screw those pinheads.

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By Maxwolf

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 11:13 AM

What international law says they have to even look at what South Korea tells them? Seriously, if I got a letter from the South Korean goverment telling me to shut down my website I would scan and upload it for everyone to see!

Does anybody else agree with me when I say screw South Korea? I forgot the figure but I do know piracy is out of control there.

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By fewt

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 2:23 PM

Well, if they don't comply then Korea can demand that the board of directors at Microsoft corp be extradited to face criminal charges. South Korea and the USA are very close friends, my money says that it will happen and quickly if they ask for it.

Just an example.

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By KSzostek

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 9:39 PM

Not a true statement.

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By fewt

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:25 PM

Oh? Prove it wrong.

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By JacenSolo

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 1:14 PM

I say it's Microsoft's software, let them do what they want.

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By fewt

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 2:12 PM

Then change the laws of Europe, USA, S. Korea, as well as international law.

Good luck with that btw.

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By JacenSolo

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 11:48 PM

If I was a software developer, then no law dictates what I can do with MY software.

If MS wanted, they could class Real as a virus and make Windows Defender remove it. But they don't.

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By hhravn

posted Dec 8, 2005 - 10:40 AM

If you were a software developer, you could do what you wanted to with your software, yes. But if you were to sell it in my country (you get to be a developer, i get to be a president, ok?), I could tell you to modify it to my liking or get lost.

Remember the San Andreas incident?

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By JacenSolo

posted Dec 8, 2005 - 4:04 PM

And I could tell you to get lost. If my software is as popular as Windows, I could just withdraw it from the country and make the country suffer. I don't think the entire country would switch to Mac/Linux/BSD, whatever.

The San Andreas incident was, to my understanding, parents being picky. The game is MA 15+ anyway, so children shouldn't be playing it.

I've had the original (imported) SA for a while now and still don't see any sex scenes. I think it was a whole load of rubish.

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By maniakmx3

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:28 AM

Pretty Soon Mozilla is sue M$ for Internet Explorer.
Symantec is gonna sue for remote desktop.
Adobe is gonna sue for Paint.
Macromedia is gonna sue for Windows Movie Maker.

This is getting absolutly rediculous, the Customer knows they have other options! I like that these items are bundled with windows, and I know that if I don't like WMP I can use Winamp, or Real, or Quicktime, or even DivX. No reason M$ should be sued for this crap.

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By Niro

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 4:28 PM

yea and you know what's going to end up happening?

You'll have to go out and pay more money for paint, remote desktop, IE, Media Player, etc...

The korean and european government is looking out for the good of their people? Give me a break...the people are only going to get hurt more, they'll have to spend more money...they're just looking a way to lower extreme national debt.

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By JacenSolo

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 11:52 PM

I don't think Microsoft are that stupid. If anything, they'll just leave the WMP/IE/MSN components in and we'll just hafta DL the EXE file.

Or thats how I would do it anyway. *hope MS is reading this :P*

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 11:08 AM

Sue dell, hp, and sony for including RealOne Player in all their PCs as well...

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By JacenSolo

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:16 AM

*sigh*

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By johnsony

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 9:14 AM

this is making me laugh

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By plumlipstick

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:40 AM

This is almost laughable to me. The irony of it! After so many truly high-handed decisions from MS, they're getting penalized for Media Player and Windows Messenger? Two things they do fairly well. MP is a decent player, and who uses Windows Messenger anyway? Don't most people switch to MSN Messenger? With all the spyware and garbage Real Networks and AOL put on your system, why would anyone want links pointing to them? This decision won't help the average Joe at all. We, the people, will pay for this idiotic ruling with higher prices passed along to us. I think we just need to ditch countries like this where the cost of doing business outweighs the benefits. Most people already know how to get to Real Networks. We don't skip going there because Microsoft has its own audio player. We skip going there because we like our computers to remain stable and free from buggy software.

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By citizen420

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 5:15 PM

WMP SUX, i use k-lite mega codec pack(which includes media player classic) for video , and iTunes for music,

MSN SUX, for the most i use GAIM, thats a client that works well.

"ditch countries like this where the cost of doing business outweighs the benefits"

then why hasent it all ready been done??????
microsoft is dependant on the international market to maintain a monopoly.

as for your comments about real, thats just about the only thing you got right.

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By fewt

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:29 AM

These comments are hillarious, so far Microsoft can do no wrong and the whole world is the problem!

:-P

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By bourgeoisdude

edited Dec 7, 2005 - 11:26 AM

I can understand most complaints about "M$". Don't agree with most of them, but I can understand the point of view. However, I've tried to put myself in the Korean FTC's shoes...I can't see it. Even as a group of MS haters, I can't see sueing MS over its messenger service. Why now, anyway? MSMSGS.EXE has been with Windows at least since NT 4.0 in 1996! That's almost a decade ago, so either way, the KFTC is wrong on this--either it took them ten years to finally do something, which makes them useless, or they are simply wrong. This will not help consumers at all, but most anti-monopoly laws exist for the consumer. This just doesn't make sense from either side of the fence.

EDIT: Question, FEWT: Reading many of your comments over time, I've realized you're obviously no fan of Microsoft. Do you agree with what the Korean Fair Trade Commission is doing? If so, why? I truly do want to understand the other side, even if I still disagree.

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By fewt

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 2:16 PM

No, I don't *completely* agree with their ruling. I do realize that it's beyond the control of an internet forum though. Don't hate Microsoft at all, in fact I am a big fan of many of their products including SQL Server, NLB, and Cluster services. The bottom line is that complaining here won't change the law or the ruling, the law is the law and if they are found guilty of breaking it then what can one do? (Other than lobby to change the laws themselves.)

I firmly believe that every single component of Windows should be just that a component and removable at install time. In my unpopular opinion it's gonna happen legally since they won't do it on their own.

Don't like it, but what can you do?

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By KSzostek

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:15 AM

Pretty much!

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By PC_Tool

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 9:53 AM

Heh...

And in any other thread, it's, M$ did this and M$ did that, why aren't we suing them!

lmao.

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:04 AM

Well, you know... Europe ordered Microsoft to unbundle Media Player, and look how well that has gone! :)

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By xyzcb1

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:02 AM

what's wrong with these people? Did they use and compare the softwares mentioned about? i don't know what drum is, but as for real player and mpc, i will pick mpc any day. real is the worst player ever created, and i can't believed they won the case in US for almost a bil.

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:06 AM

RealPlayer has been a lousy product since day 1.0. Unfortunately, Microsoft is successfull at what they do, and so according to courts, that's automatically the reason why other companies fail... it can't possibly have anything to do with the other companies releasing really bad products or having horrible tech support, etc.

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By JacenSolo

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:27 AM

Microsoft has the worst tech support ever, so Tech support isn't the problem.

The thing is. Microsoft's software, while buggy, accurally works. Where Real's software barely works, and is crap when it does work.

Daum looks like a clone of Yahoo/MSN... Nothing special...

Their messenger site is in Korean and I can't read that, so I can't sign up... Can someone else give details about it, or assist me in registering?

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By citizen420

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 5:17 PM

"Where Real's software barely works, and is crap when it does work."

their software IS crap, but they have made some half decent codecs.

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:13 PM

That's a matter of opinion.

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By JacenSolo

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 11:44 PM

I agree with him

Real's codecs are great. it's the player that isn't.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 11:21 AM

I've experienced much, much better tech support from microsoft in the past couple of years. Even the outsourced techs still speak good english (unlike HP's, Sony's, etc.), and they actually know things. A couple of years back they weren't all that great though...

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By fewt

edited Dec 7, 2005 - 2:18 PM

I've had good and bad, most recently I fixed a problem with one of their products myself while on hold and they ended up turning it into a KB article.

I was impressed, they followed up 3 weeks later for more information on how to re-create it.

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By fewt

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:11 AM

"and so according to courts, that's automatically the reason why other companies fail"

OHHHH, that's what the courts said.

I was wondering.

HAHAHA

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By maniakmx3

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:30 AM

LOL!

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By menting

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 5:05 AM

might as well tell MS to rip out their picture viewing capabilities, notepad, fonts, calculators, etc..since competing softwares all exist.
this is just plain stupid. everyone is just jumping on the "get your money from MS" bandwagon.

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By sd.green

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 4:54 AM

Let me see. General Motors and Ford will now have to ensure they provide for the install of a KIA engine. What!

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By athome

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 7:52 AM

It's like owning a KIA and wanting them to put in a Mercedes dashboard or Pioneer radio system.

If they don't like the product, then don't buy it.

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By fewt

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:11 AM

It's absolutely nothing like these things.

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By athome

edited Dec 7, 2005 - 4:08 PM

It is exactly the point. Microsoft doesn't care you install third party programs, but it is up to you to make them work. In the past MS had been know for practices that inhibit the functionality of some programs, but has gotten a lot better over the years. If you want the Mercedes dashboard(WinAMP) to fit into Windows(KIA), then it is up to you to put it in. There are many sites out there desinged to help with the installation.

The burden of making anything work in Windows is not on MS, but on the person designing the third party program. Viagra shouldn't have to put links to Cialis on their site and MS shouldn't have to put links to anyone other than themselves. Why do they have to do the marketing for others. Marketing costs money and MS is putting up enough.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 11:22 AM

I would love a reply to my comment above...

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:08 PM

I'm riding a furry lawn mower.

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By fewt

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 2:19 PM

You got it :-)

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 4:55 PM

Thanks

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By maverick02

edited Dec 7, 2005 - 2:03 AM

Just pass a law requiring microsoft to pay $xx million dollars a year.. I can't believe microsoft is actually wasting their time on this and that they actually settled for $30 million? just yank windows out of south korea and let them all use linux.

It looks like pretty much any idiot can move to a 3rd world country, open up a company that competes with one of microsoft's bundeled programs, and sue.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 1:53 AM

Pathetic.

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By zridling

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 1:43 AM

At some point Microsoft just has to say enough is enough and tell all these countries to go to hell. If you don't want to use Windows, then there are other alternatives. Goodbye!

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By PC_Tool

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 9:51 AM

Or sell a virgin windows..which it seems they may do when Vista comes out. There's rumor of a base version without any of the "bundling".

The only problem with this is that the unbundled programs will no longer be available for install on this version at all.

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By JacenSolo

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:35 AM

The problem is, windows without it's "bundles" is nothing.

All other OSes include browsers, Media player, and instant messengers.

If I have a IM network, can I sue the KDE group for including Kopete in their package?
Can I sue Apple for including Safari?

... Why Microsoft?

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By citizen420

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 5:22 PM

"... Why Microsoft?"
because it owns the market.

"If I have a IM network, can I sue the KDE group for including Kopete in their packa"

From my brief experience with KDE, if my memory serves me well, isint Kopete, optional with most distros?

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By PC_Tool

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:51 AM

Bundling vs. built into, I guess...

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By bobthegoat2001

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 12:34 AM

What the... What is this world coming to? Why not just sue Microsoft becuase when you put in the Windows XP disc it only installs Windows XP, and not Linux or MacOS X.

I mean what the hell?

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By Kramy

posted Dec 6, 2005 - 10:50 PM

Uninstalling them is harder than it looks. I'd love it if MS switched their windows architecture to a componentized version, where you can gut things out freely.

Not likely to happen though....although apparently they are doing something like that in the next Windows Server.

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By KSzostek

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 9:57 AM

Do canadians know how to use the control panel!
Someone needs to take your computer away from you kramy because listening to your comments for months shows more and more you have no clue.

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By Kramy

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:43 PM

You can hide icons, but not uninstall programs.

Point me to the IE uninstaller in the control panel, and I shall forever more be in your dept.

Point me to the shortcut remover in the control panel, and I shall forever more consider you a moron.

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:10 AM

Start > (Settings, in Classic Interface >) Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs > Click Windows Components button > Uncheck boxes. > Next > Finish.

I'm not sure what the big deal is?

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By crashoverride

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 9:10 PM

The big deal is that you can do that all day long to IE and it's still there, it only removes the icons from your sight.

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By Kramy

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:45 PM

I used to have Windows 98. It was nice since you could actually remove IE, and watch your windows install drop 50mb. Now though it just hides the icons....same for many other programs aswell. You can tell because the "Space saved" doesn't go down, and the components show up again if you create another user.

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By PC_Tool

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 9:50 AM

I think he was referring to the ability to install Windows Xp without certain components. To not have uninstall a bunch of apps on first-boot.

I think they are hitting on this badly when Vista comes out. But instead of giving you options, they are taking them away.

You can install the Minimilistic Vista, but it will be seperate from the other lines, in other words, you won't be able to install WMP, or DX18, or Aero...etc.

So it's a question of too much crap, and the ability to remove crap you dont want after install, or to little crap, and no way to add features you want.

PITA.

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By crashoverride

posted Dec 6, 2005 - 10:48 PM

ok, so what's the big deal about WMP, it's actually a decent player nowadays although windows messenger is just a flat out waste of space. of course they could put MSN messenger in there, then get sue for having the messenger and advertising for thei internet service. On a side note about IE, I don't think it needs to go, it just needs some serious help. Myself I think they should just leave South Korea, probly don't make enough money there to warrant the headache these shmucks are giving them.

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By Kramy

edited Dec 6, 2005 - 10:52 PM

WMP may be decent, but it's still quite slow. ffdshow and Media Player Classic is extremely fast by comparison.

I think someone said a while ago that BSPlayer is faster than MPC aswell, and that VideoLan is also extremely fast...for what it does play(quite a bit).

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By athome

edited Dec 7, 2005 - 8:03 AM

I think that the whole subject of removing items so they can use it is rediculous. If they want to intall another program, go and do it. Change the system to launch the alternative program instead of the default. There are several sites that give detailed instructions on how to do it.
For the competing software links, that is ludicrous. It is nothing different that getting Viagra ads served to your email or popups. Microsoft does suggest third-party software on its site, but what is wrong with them showing you theirs. It is like we have to get ads from GM and Ford in the same commercial, or not to have a GM radio in your car because you want the high end Ferrari model. Everyone does it, its business. Next we will have to have Xbox360 players complaining they want to play their game on Playstation's servers.

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:12 AM

Sssssssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! Don't give them any ideas! LOL!

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By JacenSolo

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:38 AM

Just because we can't means that Microsoft doesn't trust sony :P

No, I'm joking, but thats the way I see Real's AntiTrust suit. Just because WMP is included means MS doesn't trust real... Bah..

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By normangerman

posted Dec 6, 2005 - 10:46 PM

Absolutely redicolous.

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By iamtux

posted Dec 6, 2005 - 10:36 PM

this is disgusting, they're just trying to get money from MS. just uninstall the programs if you don't want them...morons.

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By Desides

edited Dec 7, 2005 - 1:25 AM

Okay, tell us how to uninstall WMP and Windows Messenger.

South Korea has a point here: Microsoft integrates components into their operating system, making them impossible to remove, and the practice creates a barrier to competition. This is different from bundling, which is nothing more than regularly installing a program prior to selling a PC. You can uninstall a bundled program; you can't uninstall an integrated program.

Of course, the Koreans know Microsoft isn't going to de-integrate anything, so they're just fishing for cash.

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By funcheung

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 7:12 AM

exactly!!

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By The MAZZTer

posted Dec 6, 2005 - 10:28 PM

Next they'll demand IE isn't bundled... and then sit at their freshly installed computers as they realize they can't download Firefox now. :p

But seriously, I don't see anything wrong with MS bundling WMP and Windows Messanger. They are both optional components, and neither stops you from using competing software. They're there for people who don't care or want to sift through 20 products, they just want to play music or chat with friends. For the rest of us, we can uninstall them and install our own.

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By Orbitration

posted Dec 8, 2005 - 10:10 AM

I think MS should drop the bundled apps and then turn around and SELL them back as addons, like Office.
INCLUDING IE. That way, let them download a browser without a browser to do it with.

Ignorant demands, imho.
If you don't like the app, don't use the stupid thing and install something else.

Yeah.. haha... let them try Linux. Then they could b**** about having 5 different Terminals, 4 different browsers, 2 complete office suites, blah blah....

Some people just love to b****, it seems. Gimme some o' dat Microsoft Cash Cow...

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By JacenSolo

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:40 AM

You technicly can't uninstalled Windows Messenger or WMP or IE easily (XP lite does it through)... The Add/Remove thing removes links only. But you have a point.

I use Opera, Media Player Classic and Gaim. It took me only 5 minutes each to DL and install them. Whats wrong with doing that?

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By citizen420

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 5:23 PM

"You technicly can't uninstalled Windows Messenger or WMP or IE easily (XP lite does it through)... The Add/Remove thing removes links only. But you have a point."

just use nLite

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By Networks

edited Dec 6, 2005 - 10:28 PM

God, M$ is getting hit from every angle. Bad corporation to invest in. I almost feel...sorry for them. :P Not!

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http://www.zeroforce.net

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By KSzostek

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 10:00 AM

I've invested and have done VERY well with MS thank you.

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By Kramy

posted Dec 7, 2005 - 8:53 PM

Invest - present tense.

I would have rather invested with Google. What did they come on at....$19 a share, and now they're nearing $500?

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