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Sweden formally charges Pirate Bay owners

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

January 31, 2008, 12:18 PM

As expected, the Swedish government charged the owners of Pirate Bay with copyright infringement of four applications, nine movies, and 22 music tracks.

Each of the four owners, Fredrik Neij aka 'TiAMO,' Gottfrid Svartholm Warg aka 'Anakata,' Peter Sunde aka 'Brokep' and businessman Carl Lundström could be liable for fines of up to $188,000 and a two-year jail sentence.

"The Pirate Bay operation has caused massive financial damage to rightsholders," IFPI Swedish chair Ludvig Werner said in a statement. "The profiteers behind The Pirate Bay have no interest in free speech, and they are not running The Pirate Bay because they love music and films. They are totally mercenary and are driven by the desire for personal wealth."

Prosecutor Hakan Roswall said that since The Pirate Bay makes much of its money off of advertising revenues, it could be argued that the group is using the availability of copyrighted material on its service to make a profit.

He further added that the site could be making as much as $4 million annually off these ad revenues.

The Pirate Bay was first targeted in May 2006, when Swedish authorities raided the Pirate Bay and confiscated 180 servers. In December, the investigation ended with over 4,000 pages of paperwork filed according to TorrentFreak.

With the charges filed, the onus now falls on the content owners, who will have until the end of next month to file damage claims. As always, the owners of the Pirate Bay remain defiant.

Servers for the Pirate Bay are no longer hosted in Sweden. The owners made a conscious decision to move the servers outside of the country following the 2006 raid, and on top of that also decided to allow them to be moved to locations unbeknownst to the owners.

With a decentralized system now in place, it is likely going to be much harder to shut the service down, something Prosecutor Roswall noted in earlier comments. He said it would likely take a multi-national effort to stop the site once and for all.

That could be beginning right now: In Denmark, a court has already ordered major ISPs to block access to the site to users in the country. No doubt in the coming weeks, the IFPI, MPAA, and others will be looking to other countries to hand down similar rulings.

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By Aires

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 11:29 AM

Token gesture and nothing more. The Pirate Bay, Pirate Bay, The Pirates, Pirates 4 U - I could go on and on. There will always be another website hosting torrent files. Fact of life and guess what - it doesn't even have to have the word Pirate in the title!

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By Program86

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 10:07 AM

fuk'em. TPB will find a way... they always do.

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By bugmancx

edited Feb 1, 2008 - 10:49 AM

Just like Demonoid?

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By Mystiqq

edited Feb 1, 2008 - 12:26 PM

Too bad TPB isnt Demonoid or anything even close to it. Demonoid looks like something what happened to Sharereactor, they just shut down the servers and drag the legal actions back and forth for years on end.

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By Program86

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 12:19 PM

yep. You know where the new demonoid is right? Or are you a noob like all the other on BetaNews, lol!

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By duhovnik

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 6:47 AM

I wish I had a business with law protected profit. Smells like communism, doesnt it?

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By shy_one

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 11:23 PM

Nothing wrong with pirating a few mp3s(note i said a few)depending on where you live since some places charge a tax on recordable media reguardless of if it's for legit purposes or not so it's pretty much prepaid.

I say mp3s because i do not think the movie or software companies get any thing from the hidden taxes in Canada on recordable media.

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By Mystiqq

edited Feb 1, 2008 - 2:20 AM

Im going to give an example of the kind of tax, or "media levy" we are talking about here. Tax that i payed for every single CD/DVD or whatever for some years, until noticed this myself.

50 disc pack of Verbatim DVD-R 16X media costs exactly 16€ without the tax. That EXACT same media costs....

60 #¤!&=#¤! euros with the tax. I mean what the hell! Talking about ripping people off, Jesus Christ.

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By Avion Airplane

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 9:24 PM

http://static.thepirateb...g/doodles/jubil2007.jpg

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By daq

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 12:27 PM

ahaha, great pic. Thanks!

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By ingram091

edited Jan 31, 2008 - 8:21 PM

Something that will bankrupt these guys overnight. Make a legal alternative that does the same thing. Bang Problem solved.

Treat Digital content online with a royalty system the same as they do with Television and Radio.

Now I agree Profiteering from it is tried and true piracy to the nth degree... No one but the content owners deserve to ever profit from the copyrighted material, but if its done openly and for zero profit it is not the same thing. And Come on, Who views the ads? I have never seen one ad or popup from them, so it can't possibly be much ad revenue.

And of the stuff I keep from any torrent 80% of it I end up owning the DVD later anyway. Another 10% is never offered in which case I have a digital archive of them for my personal use.
And the remaining 10% that I personally download is watched for 5 mins and trashed as it was a garbage program. Saved time if you ask me. As I didnt waste any effort trying to see it either off TV or internet from that point forward.

Anyways, the entire site has been already mirrored in 12 different regions now. so what has this done really? Nothing...

And nothing on their computers that ran the site was the content to begin with... It was a torrent file hash of a rippped file that is stored in 100s of other seeds, not on the servers they confiscated.

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By daq

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 12:31 PM

Problem is, neither of these organizations are about consumers -- they rip a ton of cash from the fines. None of which the artists see either, btw.

They will all go bankrupt if the pirate sites/networks disappear.

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By PC_Tool

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 9:07 AM

A legal version of AllofMP3 and a network TV/movie version of Stage6.

Problems solved.

Except for that pesky software bit...

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By Galway

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 2:59 AM

"Make a legal alternative that does the same thing. Bang Problem solved."

DOH !!

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By hondaman

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 7:09 PM

If youre gonna run a questionable site and give the worlds lawyers your middle finger at the same time, you damn well better make sure the s*** installed and stored on your computers is legit.

Retards.

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By fadeblack

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 6:31 PM

VIVA Pirate Bay!!! Up yours corporate lawyers!!
FREEDOM!!!!

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By PC_Tool

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 9:06 AM

*laughing*

This guy thinks he's a freedom fighter....

Yeah, downloading movies, software and music makes you a hero....

/sarcasm

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By davidlerner

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 5:57 PM

What some of you do not understand is thepiratebay.org is not going to be closing down anytime soon. Number one there servers are no longer in Sweden, they are placed In many different country's. Number two they administrators do not know the location of the servers.

So even if they go to jail for two years, the second they come out they will open there bank accounts to see huge amounts of cash.

I personally am not for piracy, I just wanted to let the people know the facts.

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By computershack

edited Jan 31, 2008 - 10:39 PM

Doesn't matter. All it needs is for the backbone providers in countries to blanket block the IP address pool for Thepiratebay domain because you can be sure as eggs is eggs that these servers aren't going to be located in a farm in the remote hills of Khazakstan running on 14.4kbps dialup. They're going to be in countries with a well established internet service for the bandwidth and these are the countries most likely to fall into line with a ban.

The Chinese managed to block most of the internet for years so blocking a single domain isn't going to be hard.

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By mjm01010101

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 11:20 PM

And then days or weeks later they come up with installing a round-robin style where P2P clients themselves are the hosts. a.k.a the Kad Network for emule. (which has stayed under the radar for many years now.) Or you have smaller private nets, or tor style onion routers.

People are not going to give up piracy, no matter the legislation, enforcement, threats. Piracy, given all the effort put forth, is stronger than ever.

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By joeshmoe7

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 4:59 PM

Bah, it's just Sweden's way of saying, "hey look Hollywood, we do so care about your copyrights"

9 movies... 22 songs... LOL at that.

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By Mystiqq

edited Feb 1, 2008 - 4:11 AM

They are not going to "do time" over those...

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By bugmancx

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 10:55 AM

Not usually, but they could still get the book thrown at them and have to pay the maximum penalties in the worst case.

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By mjm01010101

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 4:53 PM

Piracy won't go away even if they could get tpb shut off, and from what it sounds like is not an easy task. Visions of attempting to stop the flow of a breach in a dike with fingers comes to mind. Or a dyke, if that's your thing.

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By GS5

edited Jan 31, 2008 - 2:59 PM

Out of thousands upon thousands of files available on TPB, they only had four applications, nine movies, and 22 music tracks that were illegal!!? How unlucky for them that the RIAA found those 35 pirated files, what were the odds! And here I thought at least 95% of the stuff of that site was pirated. LOL

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By computershack

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 10:40 PM

It's nothing to do with that and everything to do with facilitating the committing of an offence.

Like handling stolen goods, you've not committed the original crime but you've still broken the law.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 4:56 PM

What amuses me to no end is that Jamie in Duluth got slapped with what, a little over $200,000...

She just had an app open.

These guys ran a site *devoted* to infringing IP laws.

They get slapped with *less*??

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By Mystiqq

edited Feb 1, 2008 - 4:21 AM

Not only will they get "slapped with less", they are never going to get fined for 180k, thats a fact. I doubt it wont be even 18k let alone 180k. Thats IF they get convicted, which is a big "if".

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By GS5

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 8:18 PM

Exactly, and that probably doesn't even include the legal bills.

Sweden just felt the pressure of the RIAA and Gang and gave in. I've been to Sweden and it's a really laid back country. I'm pretty sure fighting piracy isn't even on their to do list.

I'm willing to bet TPB servers will be moved to a different country with little or no rules when it comes to the internet. And it's going to be business as usual.

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By joeshmoe7

edited Jan 31, 2008 - 5:02 PM

That's true, but then, we're talking about Sweden, who i really don't think, in general, give a rat's a** about the **AA's

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By Mystiqq

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 4:39 AM

Thats true, they dont care about **AA. However, i know theres something "equivalent" to what **AA is in the USA and no doubt do these "orginazations" play the same game. Just doing a favor for the "big boys".

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 5:04 PM

The swedish government was pressured by the 'AA's into this suit.

The labels and studios involved are all likely AA members.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 2:42 PM

"They are totally mercenary and are driven by the desire for personal wealth."

This has been and continues to be proven false.
They themselves state that The Pirate Bay is infact a hobby for the owners and any money they do make they plough back in to The Pirate Bay with only a very minor piece of the profit being taken for themselves.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 4:53 PM

Proof.

See? It ain't there. Their ad revenue in "clicks" alone is likely enormous.

But regardless...even a "minor profit" off of someone else's IP is illegal.

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By ingram091

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 8:28 PM

I 100% agree there. Anything for profit dealing with this stuff is "Piracy"... where I disagree and I think most of the world disagrees is some of the outrageous extensions of their claims that keep popping up making everyone on the same level as a guy selling Pirated DVDs on the street for $5. its not the same thing, by any logical means.

Now these guys profiteering, I agree that should not be allowed, But I can not imagine it being much seeing as the ads are frequently blocked along with all anti-p2p traffic with the same tools.

Anyways. It has not changed a thing and will not. even though this service is no longer the general venue for new content, Its still used and mirrored all over the place. take 1 mirror down 12 more pop up.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 6:14 PM

"But regardless...even a "minor profit" off of someone else's IP is illegal."

Not arguing that. I agree.

"Their ad revenue in "clicks" alone is likely enormous."

I would suggest it's not that enormous.

People who torrent generally know what they are doing and won't click on advertising.

Also, they say so (however much that account for I don't know). They don't own lavish houses. Servers must cost a fortune alone.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7219802.stm?lsm

There's a link to an interview with them in the top right if you're interested.

I genuinely don't think there's much profit in running that site. You're quite welcome to disagree as neither of us can prove it unequivocally.

I'm suggesting that the statement that "They are totally mercenary and are driven by the desire for personal wealth." is probably not true.

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By ryusen

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 6:48 PM

based on statements from one of the owners, they are more than likely losing money on TPB.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 1:58 PM

Was only a matter of time. Looks like they've probably got it this time.

Everyone knew TPB wouldn't last forever. I don't care what you think of artists rights, wether they're being screwed by the labels or what, TPB is anything but helping them.

Sure, 1 out of a hundred might actually buy something but no-one here actually thinks the majority of TPB users deletes the content after 24 hours...or will *ever* buy any of it...or go see the show...

Sure, dozens of others will pop up. *shrug*

Sure, the AA's should rethink their business model.

Sure, Copyright reform needs to happen, like, yesterday.

Fact remains that TPB isn't helping anyone but themselves.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 2:43 PM

"Fact remains that TPB isn't helping anyone but themselves."

They're helping lots of greedy fellows get free stuff.

They aren't really doing it for themselves.

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By debonair

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 3:14 PM

I hope you realize it's not about greed for anyone. Disney and Fox were founded on stealing the works of others. I hope noone for a moment thinks Disney made up snowwhite. However, now companies like them want to prevent anyone from ever doing the same that made them big. Corporations are growing in power by day and they have more rights than people.

The problem arises when too many people break the law. Rather than trying to enforce it, our government should embrace the technology, and the corporations should find other ways of making the money. Perhaps by appealing to the consumers and making content available online and cheaper. Hey, iTunes works, doesn't it?

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By computershack

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 10:42 PM

"I hope you realize it's not about greed for anyone."

Really? So "I want it but I'm not going to pay for it" isn't greed?

Riight.

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By debonair

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 12:03 PM

Greed: excessive desire to acquire or possess more (especially more material wealth) than one needs or deserves

I don't think many have this excessive desire. People get it mostly because it's easier.
So yes, it's not necessarily greed.

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By PC_Tool

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 2:07 PM

More than they deserve...

Obsessive? Possibly not. Constant and without regard? Definitely.

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By debonair

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 4:53 PM

Also remember that Pirate bay has not illegally hosted any files. Furthermore, Swedish copyright laws are different from US ones.

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By PC_Tool

edited Feb 4, 2008 - 12:07 PM

Swedish copyright laws are different from US ones.

Indeed, you are correct, but not as different as TPB would have you believe. They got off on a technicality last time. (Idiot prosecution, much too sure of itself with not anywhere *near* enough info top even begin a case).

I doubt that mistake has been made this time...

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 4:33 PM

None of which makes TPB any better. It's still a bunch of people making things worse for *everyone*. They aren't solving the problem, they are making it worse by giving the AAs something public to whine about and most folks will side with the AAs when it comes down to TPB vs the AAs.

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By Reap_r

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 2:06 PM

Sweet!
You posted the entire thread in one post, predicting the responses...

Easier that way, eh?

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 2:18 PM

Heh...

We'll see.

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By AntiochMedia

edited Jan 31, 2008 - 1:48 PM

I think that it's safe to say that yeah, thepiratebay.org's attitude towards their supposed immunity from the law could only go so far and that it's about time that we saw this.

I use PirateBay.org from time to time. To be honest with you, mininova.org has better results for files that I do want - legal or not.

Here's what I think is brilliant. Absolutely brilliant -- If they are each to be fined $188,000 and 2 years of prison, according to this article, that is only a financial fraction of the money that the site has generated. Furthermore, would it be unreasonable to guess that they could buy down their jail time as long as they have good legal council?

It seems that if piratebay.org were to go down, the owners still made out like bandits and that the government of Sweden have been conservative in finding a way to appease detractors over this issue without being outright malicious.

--

Also, why would they have 180 servers? I run a few servers, but am still ignorant when it comes to making proper estimates of traffic and the number of users that can be expected on a popular site. Were 180 servers really being utilized? That's insane!

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By computershack

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 10:43 PM

"Here's what I think is brilliant. Absolutely brilliant -- If they are each to be fined $188,000 and 2 years of prison, according to this article, that is only a financial fraction of the money that the site has generated."

A comment that completely misses the fact that most countries have in place a law that allows them to confiscate the proceeds of a crime. So that large bank account they have may end up in the Swedish Govts pocket.

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By Metshrine

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 1:31 PM

Its about time. I am not saying I've never pirated stuff, quite the contrary (more so in the past than recently), I do however think that a site which blatently advertises the fact that piracy is its sole purpose shouldnt be allowed to exist. It makes things harder for all of us.

The claim that they "Are not responsible for what others post" is ridiculous. They very well know what their purpose is and any piracy site that claims otherwise is utterly stupid.

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By debonair

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 3:16 PM

corporate abuse of civil rights shouldn't exist either, but it does.

The corporations need to get with the times as opposed to targetting people. They are driven by greed. People are most likely driven by lazyness or some other factor that the corporations need to address instead of abusing government power to go after citizens.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jan 31, 2008 - 4:51 PM

ROFLMAO!!!

It's the corporations responsibility to keep people from being lazy now??

I think I've heard it all, folks.

Let's just take everyone's personal responsibilities away from them, since they don't want them anyway...

It's not *your* fault your a lazy bas****. It's the RIAA's for not catering to your every whim...

It's not *your* fault you seem to think whatever you want *should* be yours because you're *special* and *entitled* to the best life has to offer... It's the RIAA's fault because they don't give away everything their members create.

Gawd, and here I thought we were responsible for our own actions...

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By debonair

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 12:09 PM

I'm saying the illegal activies are and will continue to occur, not because people feel it's legal or not, but simply because it's there for the taking. If corporations spent more effort on making it just as good as for the taking, but making it legal by some online downloads or whatever, then we could stem the illegal activity.

What we really want to do is to curb the incentive to download things illegally. You can make all the laws you want, but if people don't believe in it, or if it's easy enough to circumvent, they will. My proposal is simply that companies make it easier to aquire their products legally.

I'm not justifying lazyness by any means, although your post seems to go a long way to indicate that somehow I have. I'm simply saying this "solution", of going after pirate bay will not work because the demand will remain the same.

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By PC_Tool

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 2:06 PM

'm not justifying lazyness by any means, although your post seems to go a long way to indicate that somehow I have.

This:

People are most likely driven by lazyness or some other factor that the corporations need to address

Regardless: Again, people are lazy. Why should they not pay the price for that laziness? Why should corporations have to cater to that laziness?

Sorry, but to me it seems you are still trying to excuse it and lay the responsibility on the corporations instead of the lazy masses.

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By debonair

posted Feb 1, 2008 - 4:55 PM

It may seem that way, but I'm not. You'll have to take my word for it. I think I have clarified the point as much as I can. If you don't see the point by now, then either I can't communicate my point better, or you're not understanding what I mean. Either way, it's pointless to go on.

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