MS needs to relax and quit it. EVERYTHING can and will be circumvented. Why try SO harD?

it will not help vista sales. Not with XP SP3 coming soon and being 3 times the quality of Vista of any flavor...

I mean I suppose its better then crippiling the system. Least now I can use codec in Vista and programs in Vista that MS dos not approve of without crippling it. and the nag ware is easy enough to disable as it is atm... (ATM you have to do it by pulling the Hard drive and using another machine to delete all the nagware components from the installation then reinstall it in your machine and use it forever with no further problem.) This will finally allow DRMless Bluray and HDDVD codec emulation through HDMI or Component outputs on your equipment without crippling your OS in the process. Just as you can do in windows 2000 now.

or you can try purchasing a legal copy of vista, instead of spewing some codec crap out your ass.

I played with a VISTA RC-1 demo some months ago. BFD. This "in your face" BS doesn't appeal to me either; so buying the damned thing is off my list...

WGA program is crap, A call the number to register, B) Tell um you upgraded your system. C) Confirm your OS is only on the new computer. D) receive code to activate.

wow thats a hard one. Pirated Keys have been marked and so therefor remained locked.

Nagware? In a service pack??? I thought the operating system WAS the nagware. :P

I have a purchased ultimate key and still use a pirated copy just for fun waiting if MS ever recognizes it's not genuine. MS idiots should rather focus on fixing nagging errors bittering customers life rather than "softening" reduced functionality to "nagware"
Pls add your comments!

you're retarded for posting lies, so are half the other jackasses here, like that comment?

"Mindful of our customers"? "As responsive as possible to feedback"? Doesn't sound like it. Maybe a baseball bat upside his head? I dislike doublespeak.

I remember a few times while overlocking my core 2 quad my computer was perfectly fine in windows, after a restart it booted into reduced functionality mode. I restarted again and it was fine.

Nothing was changed except for errors in the hardware because the processor was overclocked. So this shows just how little it takes to get a false alarm on the genuine advantage software in Vista.

He, no problem.

A CRACK WILL SOLVE IT IN A FEW DAYS, maybe even before SP1 launched.

What are you all wasting your breath on?

Could we trust the crack? Don't try to dismiss issues out of hand that can cause severe problems.

A better question is do we trust M$ either?

Rock and a hard place.

I'd trust the crackers more.

OMG you used a '$' in M$!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't necessarily agree with trusting the crackers more, but there's definitely more and better and ... people with more free time-ish software programmers who's working against microsoft than for microsoft.

That puts MS in a difficult position

Are you going to sue him for stealing your trademark, pit$ingo?

I'm all for it. Let those people who HATE MS/Windows/Vista and keep using it be nagged. Don't want to pay for someone's software? Get nagged about it, all good and fair. Should be no complaints from anybody...who's decent and honest. ;)

Did you miss the part about "a problem with Microsoft's Genuine Advantage servers resulted in their copies temporarily being treated as invalid"?

Apparently not. His god doesn't make mistakes like that...

Glad to see that MS is focusing on what REALLY needs to be fixed in Vista.... BWAHAHAAH!

This sounds like the approach the UN takes to dictators with their useless condemnations.

"The UN condemns the ruthless murdering govt of Rwanda in the harshest terms possible..."

Though, Vista has incorrectly labeled legit users as ruthless murder...I mean illegitimate users.

I agree with Hollywood I just built a new PC and put vista on it and it is blazing fast on it. I have not had any problems with drivers or had it crash on me once. I have played half-life 2 and the UT2007 demo on it and no slowdown or other issues. And I also like to say something to the Creative labs haters out there in that I have my Audigy 2 working on Vista with no problems with any music. Games, etc. I think the people having problems like that should check there PC's for any faults or failing hardware or software I too think the problem is a) people are too ignorant to try it and just say it sucks b) people are trying to run it on low grade systems with exotic hardware and c) the people who just don't like change

Well said kholdstare,

It's only the people who don't own it who hate it. If you were dumb enough to upgrade to Vista from XP on a older computer than that's your problem.

A capable purpose built or brand new computer with Vista pre-loaded is the only way to go.

You have to be slightily intelligent and have problem solving abilities to use Vista, it's not for dumb asses.

This is about those like you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYIfyDENTIY

I have around 25 years experience with M$ and its OSes (From DOS to Windows) and my equipment scored rather well under Vista as well and yet I had nothing but trouble with it for the several MONTHS I had used it. What finally turned me to Ubuntu was getting my legal copy deactivated by only updating my video driver (Where the previous 3 times under Vista had went ok.)

So, you're saying that only hackers and geeks should use Vista and not anyone else? Way to increase the profit margin. [rolleyes] You do realize that Vista is suppose to be a CONSUMER product used by the average person? It should just work as goes the motto for Ubuntu.

You still think "your experience" = "the world"?

You got Vista activation deactivated for swapping your hardware out 4 times, perhaps? How many average users will that affect?

Right.

Typical troll. You take *one* anecdotal experience and chalk it up as general fact. Your experience is your experience. It does not reflect the experience of everyone else. Try. just *try* to tell me the majority of Vista users have had similar experiences.

Really.

I could use a good laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYIfyDENTIY

Funny as hell. Comedy=truth, eh? Like the Scotch Moose, you get your news from South Park, then? Explains a lot.

How often does the average user upgrade their Operating system?

Right.

So they're buying new systems with Vista already on it?

Right.

How well does XP run on 128MB of RAM? Pretty crappy, eh? Take a gander at what the low-endian systems were selling with back when XP first came out.

Explain some of the slowness of Vista on new machines?

Right.

You know, as a user of Ubuntu myself, please stop talking about it. The only thing you are doing is turning people *away* from it.

Well, well. If it isn't our favorite economic sociopath, tool. Outsourced your family yet?

No, All I did was upgrade the driver ONLY, retard. As for how many it would affect it was recently revealed that it is quite common for Vista to deactivate a legal copy of Vista by just updating drivers and not hardware, SFB.

That is how far out of touch you truly are. It is affecting a growing number of users out there. But what do you know. You're retarded.

You're being irrelevant as usual. Even systems that come with Vista pre-installed are having trouble.

Again irrelevant. I can get the exact features as Vista under Ubuntu without ANY of the high end requirements of Vista which means that most of Vista is bloatware.

Somehow I just don't believe you since you have such a problem with reality.

Its not affecting everyone, it takes 2 mins to reactivate, yes its a nuisance but a company has a right to protect their product.

You seem to be overreacting. One's experience might not be the same as the world, but as you yourself should know, extensive experience says a lot.

How is he being irrelevant?

Fact: XP min requirements were 128 even 512 Mb its barely useable

Vista will be the same thing, a year from now ram will be cheaper and there will be faster processors and better ram.

This is the same thing that happened with xp when it came out

I hear ya. The only people that have Vista working are all the M$ drones on this site. Anywhere else you go all's you hear about is how Vista is a turd.

Guess we know where all the M$ employee's lurk ;)

Vista is a turd. It is a failure in the marketplace right now.

Well Vista alone has a higher marketshare then osx, that must be a turd too and it sold better then xp did when it came out.

Its the EXACT same thing that happened with XP, xp was very slow on the min requirements as well.

Not everywhere you go, so your statement is obviously false. At the very least, Microsoft's website doesn't call Vista a "turd".

There's nothing wrong with Vista, most people are not computer savvy and freak out because things are different places than they were before.

I bought into the hype of hating Vista before I even tried it, then I was forced to use it with a new notebook. XP is prehistoric compared to Vista and I havent had a single compatibility problem with printers or anything.

It's the chicken little syndrome, a few people in the media people freak out over Vista, then the mass population of uninformed and uneducated idiots thinks it sucks because the don't know any better.

I would never go back to XP and it's slow as molasses performance after a few months because of it's inability to stop malware websites from installing executables and system keys in your registry.

You people who don't own a Vista (brand new store bought and not upgraded) PC and bash it because everyone else does don't know sh1t. It's the low IQ population that hate it because it's more complicated.

I am no MS fanboy, I just know people are very very stupid and are afraid of change.

Yeah, how dare people have opinions. Because they don't like something you do it obviously means they are computer illiterate morons.

^^^^^^ Ignorance at its finest as always...

You.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYIfyDENTIY

Ignorance is defined as a lack of knowledge, not "anyone who disagrees with me".

Look it up. There's probably a picture of you there. Or is that under "internet troll"?

QUOTE:
I would never go back to XP and it's slow as molasses performance after
a few months because of it's inability to stop malware websites from
installing executables and system keys in your registry.
UNQUOTE

It serves you right for browsing pr0n and war3z sites using Internet Explorer 6 then!

I detect a subtle hint of sarcasm in that clip ... especially since Vista falls over
with a BSoD towards the end of his rant! Watch the display to his left side . . .

Bingo....

I looked, and surprise, I found a picture of you there instead.

I agree. My Windows Vista works without a hitch. The new cache system gives me a nice boost in speed as well.

"I would never go back to XP and it's slow as molasses performance after a few months because of it's inability to stop malware websites from installing executables and system keys in your registry."

So you are saying i need to buy Vista because XP is so horribly insecure? LOL. Typical M$...release totally buggy, insecure, bloated, crap software, then charge you for the patches.

And you all wonder why i am anti-M$.

Ah charge you for the patches? You must be thinking of OSX, it comes out with a new edition every year and half.

Speaking of insecure bloated, crap software, how many updates has QT had again, how many updates were supposed to be fixed a long time ago and aren't?

Sorry, no company is perfect, look at the newest version of osx tiger and leopard have had more updates and fixes then previous versions.

Your OS is no better then anyone else's it comes down to the user as not everyone has the problems you may have had.

that's funny, i don't remember saying anything about how perfect Apple is. My perspective happens to come from Ubuntu. I don't pay a penny for my OS. I do not have forced upgrades. All my hardware is supported, not only the ones which Vista can wrap up with all its DRM garbage.

Vista is a DRM infested turd. Anyone with half a brain would never use it.

Drm would imply that it cripples existing files, it doesn't it provides drm support, that is all.

Its the same damn thing in xp except you have to download updates for some drm to work. If you are not using files that have drm this is a non issue.

Again, you post about things you have no idea about.

http://www.computerworld...c&articleId=9005047

Vista has DRM intertwined all the way from end to end. Vista == DRM

So you're saying that you have no actual experience with Vista? So why should we listen to *you*?

Again, you should read the article as that article implies files and devices that have it.

Also mention that article is a year old and it was before vista was officially released as well.

If you have your own files and your files do not have drm, it does not affect anything, Vista does not take your existing files and drms them.

If I can use dvdfab and remove drm from said dvd on vista, where's that drm protection then?

Why would anyone want to pirate Vista? Now if they paid me to use it I might...or not.

I don't get it. At this point, as ridiculous a joke as Vista has become, why not just try a GNU/Linux LiveCD and move on? Even CNET called Vista one of the ten worst tech blunders ever.

And Cnet is the end-all be-all... *rolling eyes*

Everyone agrees that Vista is one of the worst tech blunders of all time, not just CNet. Ubuntu cleans the floor with Vista. *nix for life.

And ubuntu the cure-all.

Do they even realize what a joke they have become?

Speaking of a joke...... You really are full of it.

Why because ubuntu is not the cureall, sorry the average user may install it initially but tell them they can't do this or do that, the average user is not going to install wine as its not just click and it works.

The average user also is not going to hunt on a forum for an answer either, there's thousands of people out there who can't even use windows and you think ubuntu will be easier?

Whenever anyone tries to prove you wrong you retort by an insult.

Umm because Linux isn't compatible with half the stuff out there. Forget gaming. Not to mention that it is one of the most complicated OSs there is. Sorry but Linux is a *LONG* ways away from being average consumer friendly.

Wow you really added a lot to the discussion. If he is so full of it I would love to hear a REAL explanation why instead of mindless insults like a 12 year old.

obviously never used GNU/Linux before. Typical M$ drone...bash what you know nothing about.

PC_Tool never says anything...he just makes weak-sauce troll postings about others.

IF it says MS in the topic you come on talking about a product you have never used or owned, you ahve repeatedly been proven wrong on all acounts and yet for a product you hate you can't stfu about it.

If you learned to read you would see he commented on program86 comment about cnet saying vista was the worst tech product and nix for life.

One person debunked him by explaining that cnet is not the know all and then pc tool explained that nix is not the cureall as its not, you may like it people on this board may like it the average consumer not so much, when they can't even find a start button you really think they are going to have the patience to ever use terminal?

Try explaining root to them and why they get a nag the same thing with Vista UAC.

Try explaining how to put those gui enhancements over the OS, try explaining how to install wine.

Sorry Linux has come far but its nowhere near ready for the consumer market. Specially when 1000s of people can't even find the big a** button that says start, you think they can navigate Linux?

Its a fact that Linux is not compatible with half the stuff out there.

cannot play most games on its own (that means no wine as the average user will have no idea how to get it running) until Linux is simple as clicking on a link and it works they will continue to be a niche market, if OSX after years of being around cannot dethrone Windows you honestly believe that Linux will? I remember when I was in school 4-5 years ago and they were talking in pc world that the rise of Linux is upon us, really where?

5 years later and its still quite difficult to use whereas Vista although not perfect and with users experiencing issues (mainly underpowered systems, bad drivers) was completely rewritten in 3 years (the first version known as longhorn was scrapped and they started over from scratch hence why vista took so long to come out)

It does not make a very good audio solution either, midi doesn't work quite well with Linux, there is no alternative on Linux that compares to Cubase or Sonar. Hell, garageband on osx is better then anything linux has.

If you are just using it to browse the web and check an occasional email then its fine but even the most average consumer wants to do more then that.

"Typical M$ drone...bash what you know nothing about."

Ahh yes bash what you know nothing about, how many topics do you come into about MS, spitting off nonsense about something you have absolutely no clue about yet continue to comment on it.

"cannot play most games on its own"

true. M$ is paying everyone (advertising $$$, development support, free dev kits, etc...) to develop DirectX based games. Guess what, DirectX is a closed, proprietary M$ standard which only runs on Windows.

"It does not make a very good audio solution either, midi doesn't work quite well with Linux,..."

http://linux-sound.org/

ROFL!!!!! yeah, you sure know what you are talking about.

"If you are just using it to browse the web and check an occasional email then its fine but even the most average consumer wants to do more then that."

But earlier in your troll, you said....

"5 years later and its still quite difficult to use..."

So how can it be fine to use, but still difficult to use? Everyone is laughing at your posts.

You do realize not a single one of those programs come close to what Cubase and Sonar can do, right?

If you want to do music in your basement then sure opensource will work, but professionally? fat chance. Those plugins do not compare to what steinberg offers.

Also someone that is working on music likely doesn't want to take on the added headache of getting audio devices to work such as motu or rme on a new os,

I stated as long as its sole purpose is just email and a web browser then its fine, but the majority of people will try to do more.

Ah this unrealistic rant (again).

The problem is that Microsoft practice developer lock-in. Microsoft provides toolkits that are optimised to run on their technology and thus much of modern games are built for said platform. This begs the question: Would microsoft be an abusive monopoly if it optimised its technology for other operating systems?

Its the fact that they refuse to do so, that other third parties have taken up licensing technologies like DirectX 9.0c to aid linux users the ability to play games using that technology.

Until Microsoft is given the sharp elbow to port these technologies to other platforms it will still be in an position to openly abuse its monopoly.

"...you ahve repeatedly been proven wrong on all acounts"

huh? wtf are you talking about? Show me where any statements i have made have been proven wrong?

"If you learned to read you would see he commented on program86 comment about cnet saying vista was the worst tech product and nix for life."

What? Perhaps you "learned to read" you would know he posted a reply to "smith288" and not "program86". Again, you are made a fool of. Everyone is laughing at your posts.

You make no sense. You are saying someone could not use http://ardour.org/ on linux to do "professional" stuff? LMAO. That is like saying you can not be in a band unless you have a specific type of guitar. Or you can't be a painter, without a specific type of brush.

Art is created by artists...the tools do not matter...the artist does.

Pot calling the kettle black...^^^

OK then tell professionals to stop using Adobe Photoshop and use Gimp since it doesn't matter.

Also tell the business world that openoffice will work for them as well.

Also tell someone you write music professionally and you use fruityloops, watch how many people laugh at you.

Actually his response was to program86 which I stated another person made a comment after him which pc tool commented on both.

"...you have repeatedly been proven wrong on all acounts"

where should I start?

Windows Home Server
Zune
Xbox360

everything you have commented on you were proved wrong, you can dig up your own posts but when various posters state your name specifically in posts of how much of a troll you are, there must be some truth there?

Who's laughing at me, the voices in your head?

"They won't lose access to functionality or features, but it will be very clear to them that their copy of Windows Vista is not genuine and they need to take action."

This action will be similar to current XP users and will result in downloading a patch to fix it until further notice.