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Wal-Mart Debuts $298 PC

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

July 18, 2007, 6:13 PM

Wal-Mart began selling $298 PCs from Everex on Wednesday that use Windows Vista, are free of so-called "bloatware" and feature open source software.

The system features a 1.5GHz Via C7-D processor, which contains energy-saving features. Instead of using Microsoft's Office suite, the system ships with OpenOffice.org version 2.2.

Wal-Mart will feature the budget PC during its back-to-school sales, typically one of the busiest times of the year for computer purchases. It is the lowest-priced computer that the retailer is currently selling, although it does not include a monitor.

An item of interest is the system's lack of "bloatware." Typically, manufacturers have used product placement: trials, icons, and the like, to allow them to sell the computers at lower prices.

However, consumers have begun to voice their displeasure with the practice, leading several companies -- most recently Dell -- to change their practices and begin to offer models without the trial software included.

Analysts are not completely sold on the move. Some say that consumers may be turned off by the relatively slow speed of the processor and the largely unknown brand name. Others may be concerned over compatibility since the PC includes OpenOffice.

It should be mentioned that OpenOffice documents can produce files that are compatible with Microsoft Office applications.

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By maniakmx3

posted Jul 22, 2007 - 5:20 AM

I honestly feel truly sorry for anyone that buys one of these PC's. If you spend $300 on a POS like that...man...Just hop on Ebay or goto your local PC Repair shop. You can pick up somthing speedy for 300 bucks Hell you can get P3 Laptops all day long for 200-300 bucks!

I mean c'mon... a VIA chip at 1.5Ghz Running Vista?? You gotta be kidding me, I can't imagine how slow that thing is...

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By xtool

posted Jul 21, 2007 - 12:36 AM

Everyone knows why we all shop at Wal-Mart. To get discount prices! I'm sure you can you build your own system and all but some people don't have the time or don't know how to. It's a pretty good price which comes with start up bundles. So why not?

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By DotNet_Coder

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 9:53 PM

One thing we all have to remember while we bash this product (and applauds for those of you who haven't); This is an entry level PC intended for low income families and disadvantaged children. This demographic is not looking for top notch speed or cutting edge features. Yes, they put Vista on it, but it's probably Vista Home Basic with most of the bells and whistles turned off to begin with.

IMHO, this is a good thing and will only help to educate the next generation of children that otherwise wouldn't even get to see a computer until their teenage years, if at all.

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By HappyCamper

edited Jul 25, 2007 - 3:08 PM

My comment is in support of DotNet_Coder's post of July 19.

I couldn't agree more. The people who are making the comments about the "downside" of this machine are probably kids, white, middle class, one or two working parents and not a lot of siblings. Surprise, you are not who this machine is intended for.

I half agree with another poster that they might have put XP on the machine. But that would only be for better overall compatibility. I say I agree in "half" because the other half of the matter is that Vista IS the operating system that we all will be exposed to; like it or not. That said, MS is trying to get everyone over to Vista so why not do it from the start. The criticism that is it probably only Vista Home Basic really shouldn't be a criticism. I've seen Home Basic running on an old 386 laptop with a slow processor and it runs just fine. All Home Basic is, is Vista minus it's own built in "bloat-ware". So you don't get the Aero (glass) interface; otherwise it looks the same. My experience (I am a systems specialist and consultant and have put this on over a dozen low-end machines with no problems), is that it runs fine on a slower machine.

As for loading open source programs like Open Office 2.2, I use it myself daily. It is completely compatible with Word (except for Word 2007), Excel and PowerPoint (also except for the 2007 versions). It will not run MS macros but the person buying a machine in this price range is probably not writing or using high-end macros.

I think DotNet_Coder is correct in that the taget market for this machine is for those who can't afford a high end machine. For many, a $300 price point is probably high. I would be willing to bet though that anyone who purchases one due to financial reasons is going to be thrilled with it.

While I have not been thrilled with the path Wal-Mart has taken over the last few years (in some ways trying to become the retail store version of Microsoft), I do have to applaud them for at least trying. While their motives are probably more financially driven than humanitarian, it still serves the same purpose in the end...to bring computers to families who might not otherwise have had them.

They tried this a couple years ago by offering computers with a Linux operating system. For anyone who is unfamiliar with Linux, it forms the last of the "big 3" operating systems out there (one being Microsoft's, another being Apple's and the third being Linux which is actually a legally FREE operating system but like Apple is not compatible with Microsoft's programs. And since Microsoft is still the worlds' most used operating system, why not give someone the operating system that they are most likely to run in to in school and in the work place?).

So while I don't usually applaud Wal-Mart or Microsoft I really do believe that this computer serves a purpose. Final comment, as a hint to the posters who feel the need to swear when commenting about something as simple as a computer; did you notice I was able to respond to a post, leave my negative opinion about 2 companies and not have to swear once to get my point across. No...I'm not trying to preach to you; just something to think about.

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By extremely well

edited Jul 19, 2007 - 4:39 PM

This reminds me I wanted to get a file/backup server with a bunch of the IDE HD's I've collected over the past few years. I don't wanna spend the time building one (except for plugging in the HDs) -- so where can I get the BEST $250 PC shipped/taxed in FL; OS not required; monitor not needed (UltraVNC); need 512MB RAM; need 1.5GHz. Thanks to anyone who knows!

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By PC_Tool

edited Jul 19, 2007 - 5:48 PM

MWave.Com

Asus M2NPV Bundle with Sempron 3000 and 512MB RAM ($130.50)
DYNAPOWER TITAN-C2914 Case ($29.95)
Assembly and Testing ($79.00)

Motherboard has onboard vid (NVIDIA 6150)

Total: $236.44

Couldn't add shipping, don't know where you are. (don't know any FL zips)

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By Morsel

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 2:59 PM

Oh darn, they should have installed XP instead of Vista da pig phucka!

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By Ramhound

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 11:30 AM

Vista is not that bad...Sure it has alot of new features, but you could say Windows XP and Windows 2000 Pro and Apple OS X are all bloatware if you considering Vista bloatware.

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By joesnow

edited Jul 20, 2007 - 12:03 PM

I can strip a 2k & XP ISO down to about 380MB while still maintaining most things about the OS that're used regularly, and it will consume MUCH less ram out of the box. Whereas Vista I was only able to drop it down to 1.4GB for an ISO with the same things on it, due to all of the "required to run everything else" components they've added. Not to mention the amount of memory it takes to just run an idle vista machine due to all the services you have to disable to make it even begin to approach comparability to XP or less.

MacOSX is a memory wh*** yes, but the software that comes w/ it is not crapware. That's not the same as software that comes w/ a new mac, I'm talking about when you install a fresh MacOS.

Vista is much more work, although not hard obviously for the average computer-person, to get the way we want it. But Vista still makes me jump through hoops just to quiet the Accept/Deny, and the inability to run apps w/ Admin privs by merely double clicking...screw the right-click "run as". Uncovering that Admin account is ridiculously annoying.

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By Dsfargeg

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 10:23 AM

When they're using Vista, they're certainly not free from bloatware.
Vista is by far the most bloated OS ever, and while it already brakes out top-of-the-line PCs, it will slow down this low-end one down to a sluggish crawl. Perfect for masochists, but not if you want any work with it done.
Forget about Vista's useless bling-bling features too, as the PC is way too slow for it.

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By cap737

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 12:29 PM

That is true about Vista, but a lot of people said the same thing about XP when it came out. Just when people were finding ways to trim down 98SE, ME (ugh..) and 2k, XP comes out and people complained. Now Vista is out and we just got done getting XP right (sorta).

The removal of trialware, bloatware, shareware crap is a great effort and even to use openoffice as an alternative to Work Suite or Office 2k3 or 2k7. Since everyone is not onboard yet with 2k7 there shouldn't be an issue with compatibility with 2k3. Since this computer is targeted for scholars, this would be a good computer to create documents and surf the internet, even manage photos and music, not edit.

Hell, even dell is thinking about selling computers bloat-free since someone else is taking the initiative to offer it. The move may lower dell's prices, too!

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By DotNet_Coder

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 9:56 PM

Dell has already released a line of PC's that are "bloatware" free.

http://www.engadget.com/...siness-pcs-turned-loose/

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By CyberInferno

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 8:33 PM

Actually, although the hardware requirements were of course greater, the average system didn't suffer much from the upgrade to XP. There wasn't an immediate backlash about gaming for instance. Vista, on the other hand, is not a better gaming OS as far as performance is concerned. DX10 is the only thing that makes it have a better future in gaming than XP which likely won't ever get it.

I think this is a good step forward for cheap PCs, but it had better come with instructions on how to change your document type and/or instructions on how to make the default document types MS Office-compatible. Otherwise there are going to be some people that are very confused at why they can't open their files on any computer but their home one.

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By morriscox

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 9:53 PM

http://www.neowin.net/fo...ex.php?showtopic=571697 is an add-on for AutoPatcher XP that seems to have DirectX. See for yourself. Also listed on the www.autopatcher.com page.

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By frankwick

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 9:57 AM

I believe the term is crapware, not bloatware.

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By GoodThings2Life

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 9:19 AM

This is a great example of getting exactly what you pay for...

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By Latz !

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 7:28 AM

Great, or I could go to the flea market and get something faster (and cheaper).

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By hlr356

edited Jul 19, 2007 - 12:35 AM

if a pc has a vid card with tv out ( at least yellow plug then it can output to tv set . hlr356

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By smarterthanyou

edited Jul 18, 2007 - 11:20 PM

This computer won't need bloatware to slow it down. It will crawl even with a bare bones operating system regardless if it is Linux or Windows. Via's processors set a new record for being the slowest processors ever created that can run Windows NT or Linux, beating Intel's Netburst Celeron processors w/128K L2 cache. Pretty sad.

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By rpavl

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 10:56 PM

Well, I will say on a positive note, Everex has been in the computer game a long time. I have had probably the best experiences with their tech support staff than any other hardware producer out there. My company uses Everex PCs and Laptops exclusively and we couldnt be hapier.

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By JonathanD

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 10:20 PM

Its a boon and a bane... As some one who has worked doing phone tech support, I can honestly say some people or computers are not yet ready (either the people must get more informed or the computers need to be more user friendly.. and yes im talking about Windows here) at 300$ it becomes so cheap Ma and Pa Hicks can afford them ! This is a good thing, I think more people should have access to computers and the internet. This is also a bad thing... the poor people that do the tech support also now have to deal with people who think the internet is a bunch of tubes.... I guess its just one of those things :)

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By sjc001

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 10:47 PM

I remember hearing, one time, of a person who wanted to give the Internet a try and for the tech to put it on a floppy so that could test it out at home. Another is one who got upset because he needed a computer to go on the Internet and he had thought that you didn't need one.

This all boils down to that most people still believe that technology is magic.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 10:53 AM

"This all boils down to that most people still believe that technology is magic."

But it is.

:-p

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By morriscox

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 11:57 PM

http://rinkworks.com/stupid/ Enough said.

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By zridling

edited Jul 19, 2007 - 1:25 PM

"Analysts are not completely sold on the move. Some say that consumers may be turned off by the relatively slow speed of the processor and the largely unknown brand name. Others may be concerned over compatibility since the PC includes OpenOffice."
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Uh, which analysts would those be? Do share. Go watch the movie Idiocracy and you'll see you average Wal-Mart/Sam's Club shopper. Otherwise, could that paragraph be anymore loaded?

— not completely sold on the move
— consumers may be turned off
— relatively slow speed of the processor
— the largely unknown brand name
— concerned over compatibility
— the PC includes OpenOffice

Written straight from the Redmond/Austin fax?

It's cheap, not loaded with crapware, and comes with OpenOffice. Yea, I can see where that's all bad news there.

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By JonathanD

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 10:24 PM

Hahahah you know I may get one for my kids... it sounds crazy but all they want to do it go on that myspace.... anywho I could ghost it to an external HD I have and switch out IE for Opera or something... Right now they use a Athlon64 with 2GB's of ram and a 512MB video card... so this would save me money in the long run on electricity.

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By fatray

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 8:55 PM

I bet that $300 PC comes with a monitor and you can buy it with food stamps (or whatever the gov gives people these days)? I bought a PC from Tigerdirect a few years ago, after MIR it cost me $45 shipping included, minus the OS. The MB had the Processor, video and sound all built in. Only thing, I had to wait 3 month to get the $300 in MIR checks.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 9:09 PM

I bet that $300 PC comes with a monitor

No monitor.

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By dougau

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 8:31 PM

I guess these will be displayed next to the new Dull computers Wal-mart is carrying. Poetic justice.

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By cranbers

edited Jul 18, 2007 - 7:44 PM

I am not really so sure what is so great about being capable of building a 300 dollar pc including the os.

oem vista basic 90 dollars
Case with psu $20
mb with integrated video and sound $67
1gb ram minimum for vista: 54 dollars
80gb hard drive 40 dollars
Amd Sempron 64 3100+ 25 dollars

Total from Newgg.com: 296 dollars + shipping

So yeah even I an average consumer and not a big oem getting extra special discounts can build a 300 dollar pc, obviously not that big of an accomplishment. And guess what its not even a VIA cpu that is probably 10 dollars cheaper.

Now replace windows with linux and guess what, its now a 200 dollar pc! The average walmart user wouldn't even notice a difference I bet, it looks like windows it has a browser and even has openoffice.org as well. You won't be able to game on linux, but you really think someone who buys a 300 dollar pc is going to be doing all that much gaming?

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By KingMotley

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 12:27 AM

That's great. Now throw in a keyboard and a mouse. Throw in a CD-Rom drive (or DVD).

And oem vista basic isn't anywhere near $90 for manufacturers. Try $15.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 9:08 PM

Now try including putting it together, adding a warranty and support.

The average walmart user wouldn't even notice a difference I bet

I have yet to see such a beast and yet I keep hearing about them. They must all be in hiding somewhere...

it looks like windows

Sure. But it doesn't behave like Windows. The only folks who won't notice a difference are those who've never used either.

You won't be able to game on linux

Since when? I've been able to game in linux for years now.

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By cranbers

edited Jul 18, 2007 - 9:34 PM

Ok now your just being a little bit too specific, you can't play battlefield 2142 or supreme commander on linux now can you, two of the most popular games out there.

Also in regards to linux vs windows, if I didn't use so many apps that were not available on linux I would be using it, I mean what support would you need if viruses, malware were no longer a factor? Fire up your computer, bring up a web browser surf the net, write an email, print out a letter this is what most of these people would use their computer for, now tell me why linux would not be capable for that?

As for providing support etc if you make 20 dollars per pc and you sell 500k of them how much money did you make? Now figure putting it together by cheap labor in china won't cost all that much either. Also keep in mind the components they are using are much cheaper then what I listed esp with bulk oem discounts.

So why you have to bring up things to argue just for the sake of arguing what was your point? My point, building a new computer for 300 dollars is not unheard of so go be someone elses "tool" mr pc.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 9:14 AM

you can't play battlefield 2142 or supreme commander on linux now can you, two of the most popular games out there.

More popular than Counter-Strike? ..or World of Warcraft? I doubt it. You made a generalization. Many games for windows have worked in Linux for quite some time now. If you need to use broad generalizations to prove a point, you either need to rethink the point, or do a little more homework.

Fire up your computer, bring up a web browser surf the net, write an email, print out a letter this is what most of these people would use their computer for, now tell me why linux would not be capable for that?

That's fine, but that's also not what you said. You said they wouldn't notice a difference.

So why you have to bring up things to argue just for the sake of arguing what was your point?

When I see someone post false generalizations and false assumptions, I call them on it. Perhaps you should simply state you point and move on if you cannot resist using such things to back it up.

My point, building a new computer for 300 dollars is not unheard of

No, it's not. But you implied it could easily be done by the average user, and you supported the claim with useless information. If you had simply said, "I can build a $300 system, this is no big deal", there wouldn't be an issue.

so go be someone elses "tool" mr pc.

You are so very clever...

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By Jonnn21

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 9:30 AM

I can honestly say you have nothing better to do with your time. Get a hobby besides sitting on here and insulting people for their comments. What makes you think your Mr know it all anyways.

I cant wait to see what smart a** comment you have towards me.

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By morriscox

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 8:45 PM

No, you can't honestly say that, since you don't know him in real life and don't know what else he could be doing. It's false logic.

As for myself, seems to me that cranbers brought it down on himself by the "so go be someone elses "tool" mr pc." comment. So get off your high horse. As I recall, PC_Tool has an IT background like I do, just much more extensive. What's your IT background?

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By PC_Tool

edited Jul 19, 2007 - 10:15 AM

I insulted him?

Where?

Why is it you think everyone else can have an opinion but I cannot?

I suppose I should be more like you? I see your only contributions to this article amount to an off-topic rant blaming someone for doing exactly what *you* are doing, and *gasp* being a smart-ass.

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By TomA102210

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 12:37 PM

By PC_Tool edited Jul 19, 2007 - 10:15 AM

I insulted him?
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Yep, you did, Tool and you insult folks on a regular basis. But, you are in denial about that most, if not all of the time. Continue to be yourself, Tool. I like that about you and I also enjoying taking a poke at you from time to time. Ever consider the fact that you might be a control freak and a pseudo intellectual?

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 1:29 PM

Other than calling him clever, albeit sarcastically, I still can't see the insult. The sarcasm was simply a response to *his* attempt to be, well, clever.

Control Freak? Nope. Stubborn? Hell yes. It's easy to confuse the two in a forum environment, I suppose.

Pseudo Intellectual? Pretty subjective stuff. According to Wikipedia: a pejorative term used to describe someone who engages in false intellectualism or is intellectually dishonest.

I enjoy discussing things I know a bit about, I admit when I an *proven* wrong, and I have rarely been accused of lying. I don't believe it qualifies. I'd like to hear what that opinion is based on. Number of posts? Free time is a wonderful thing, and I am not embarrassed to admit I have plenty of it. Number of opinions? Well, back to my stubbornness again, eh? Lengthiness? Details, details. :p

I do insult folks, never denied that, but it is almost always a direct response to a jibe they themselves made. I'm of the mind that if you're going to give it, you'd better be able to take it.

I'm also glad you enjoy my posts and "poking me in the ribs" on occasion. I hope you haven't minded when I've returned the favor. :p

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By TomA102210

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 8:14 PM

I'm also glad you enjoy my posts and "poking me in the ribs" on occasion. I hope you haven't minded when I've returned the favor. :p
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Don't mind the poke one bit, Tool.

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By zridling

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 1:27 PM

[PC_Tool]: Ouch, the stupid, it burns! (Photo of toolie, too.)

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By morriscox

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 8:47 PM

You lower yourself doing this. As well as lowering other's opinion of you (at least in my case).

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 1:31 PM

Always good to see you're keeping up the job of making yourself look like a complete jackass. Less work for the rest of us (not that it's ever been a stretch by any means).

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By joesnow

edited Jul 20, 2007 - 12:13 PM

battlefield 2142, got it working w/ cedega + a few tweaks, I dont see the issue....except that people who reject linux usually do so for lack of knowledge about working it well.

anyway, Why the hell would you complain about PC_Tool, someone who doesn't blow things out of proportion, someone who doesn't generalize without a logical explanation or claim of experience on his/her own part, and most importantly someone who doesn't G3T 4LL L33T C4PS L0CK when you disagree with'm.

Why would you b1tch about someone who simply poses an opposing opinion to your own? Are most of you incapable of debating when someone disagrees with you? Providing evidence to why you are so correct over his responses would be more helpful than simply ranting that his insistence on the accuracy of your own posts annoys you. It's just common sense.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 20, 2007 - 12:24 PM

someone who doesn't G3T 4LL L33T C4PS L0CK when you disagree with'm.

Damn.

QFT.

Pet peeve, that one.

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By cranbers

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 7:25 PM

I remember when emachines came out with the "cheap" affordable pc back in 1998. I mean the return rate was insane, issues with every conceivable area of the computer.

I mean point is, 300 dollars with vista is doable, but the fact it has a via processor not even Amd. Obviously with such a low market share I would bet the via motherboards, drivers etc all have issues and buying this 300 dollars thing will definetely be a mistake.

I would say buying a computer on ebay that is a year or 2 old with an older Amd processor that is dual core would be much better deal, naturally people won't care its a new pc for 300 dollars and we all know the majority of the shoppers at walmart is going to jump.

As for openoffice, I think its great and if people knew buying ms office wasn't necessary but a 5 min download would solve there would go another 10 percent of microsoft's office revenue, esp for students as long as they knew to save it in a ms office format.

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By mjm01010101

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 7:07 PM

"It should be mentioned that OpenOffice documents can produce files that are compatible with Microsoft Office applications."

It can also read them fine. I know this because I use OO exclusively at home and at work but my clients use MS Office.

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By lvthunder

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 6:59 PM

I wouldn't wish a $300 computer on anyone. Since it has Vista you got to think at least $100 is going to Microsoft.

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By mjm01010101

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 7:05 PM

You think MS sells vista to oem's for $100?

Please.

Each gets select agreements based on the number they will sell or advertising they do for it.

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By pitdingo

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 6:39 PM

"Others may be concerned over compatibility since the PC includes OpenOffice."

Why would you be concerned about this? OpenOffice can open Word/Excel/Power Point, etc... documents.

It also can natively support ODF which is a truely open format supported by many Office Productivity suites. Anything i do at home i do on Open Office.

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By SGD

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 10:57 AM

Office 2007 is very different can it open those files. Just asking not looking for a flame.

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By joesnow

posted Jul 20, 2007 - 12:17 PM

I just opened one of those new 2007 formats for both powerpoint and word on my openoffice2 in fedora without any issue.

Even then if it didn't, what's the difference between saving it as Office2003 format so everyone else can open it, vs saving it as Office2003 format so OO can open it?

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By DotNet_Coder

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 10:09 PM

O2K7 can open all previous versions of office docs and I believe the OO2 can open ODF files (within reason). I also believe that O2K7 can open OO2 docs without an issue. I would need to do some research for a definitive answer though.

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By Natrunner

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 6:37 PM

"1.5GHz Via C7-D processor",!? Connect to internet and basic word processing. I can get that much from my PDA. I guess the saying of "If you build it they will come" works for Wal-Mart.

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By vcorvinus

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 8:41 PM

...so, how much did you PDA cost again?

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 6:54 PM

Is that genuinely all you think you can do with it?

Aside from that, you have just described the exact group it is aimed at.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 6:29 PM

It's pretty good value for money, really.
Anyone have a Via processor that they can review?

"Some say that consumers may be turned off by the relatively slow speed of the processor"

Pah, I remember 66Mhz (well, further back than that, but in a desktop PC - ahhh, the spectrum).

"Others may be concerned over compatibility since the PC includes OpenOffice."

Pish! Once they get the real facts from a salesman (oh, wait) they won't give a damn.

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By Jonnn21

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 9:32 AM

dude, I used an 8088. 66Mhz would have been considered out of reach at that time.

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By morriscox

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 8:55 PM

I've used a 8088 and a 8086 (I know the 8088 is older). I also remember CGA, EGA, monochrome, monochrome VGA, C64, POKE, PEEK, DOS 3.3 (or was that 3.0?), installing Slackware with 40 floppies, when Lynx didn't support bold, and a $400 1-speed CD-ROM drive. Legend of the Red Dragon was fun as was Tradewars.

Speaking of old, I actually got MacMUD running (those who have actually ran it know the effort that took) at my first college and got a lot of emails asking how I managed to do it.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 11:13 AM

No kidding. I still remember running a BBS off of my first 8088. 4.77 Mhz. Wow....

Hell, the 286 I upgraded to after that seemed like a supercomputer comparatively.

Looking at what we have now and back at where we started (or I started), it boggles the mind.

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By DotNet_Coder

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 10:13 PM

*laughing* I remember working on my Tandy/TRS80 Co-Co and tried for over a year to write the game that would take Zork down... Never did get that app finished though... damn school ;-)

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 20, 2007 - 8:53 AM

I remember those things. I had a "Floppy Tower" for that one. Had about 6 floppy drives in it.

Strange beast.

I think I was 10 or 12 at that time. My Mom bought it. Still never figured out why, she never touched it.

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By Paul Skinner

posted Jul 19, 2007 - 10:47 AM

Ahh nostalgia.

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By PC_Tool

posted Jul 18, 2007 - 9:02 PM

http://www.viaarena.com/...p;ArticleID=462&P=8

Review of the CPU.

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By marrix

posted Jul 21, 2007 - 7:06 AM

I still have my Commodore 64 (circa 1982). All jeers, flames etc graciously appreciated.

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