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'Wave 3' of Windows Live Writer reveals some loose ends

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

September 18, 2008, 7:06 PM

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It's the latest test of the one component in Microsoft's online applications arsenal whose code could be leveraged for a more general purpose than blog publishing. Our tests show it lacks a few things Microsoft users would expect.

One of the revised components in Microsoft's latest "Wave 3" test for its Windows Live services is something we've mentioned before here in BetaNews: Windows Live Writer. Its name sounds deceptively like a general purpose word processor -- like the Write utility that comes with Windows -- and you might think that with a little tweaking, it could be.

In fact, one question we had openly considered when Windows Live Writer first emerged on the scene as a brand, was whether Microsoft had an interest in extending the functionality of this particular service to something more general than just publishing blogs on Windows Live Spaces -- for example, a kind of online word processor in the vein of Adobe's Buzzword.

As it turns out, our suspicions may this time have been inaccurate: The "Wave 3" edition of Microsoft's blog editor continues to lack the most basic function you'd expect from a word processor: search and replace. My first thought in testing Live Writer as a blog editor was to see how it would handle material that's appeared in a blog before -- namely, one of BetaNews' own. But that material had embedded HTML tags, which Live Writer would convert into typeset characters -- for example, <p> -- that would appear on the published blog.

The first way you would expect to get rid of such characters is by pasting the whole text first, and editing the tags out next. Of course, you can't do that without global search and replace. Thankfully, in this particular situation, there's an alternative, although it's not in an obvious place: From the Edit menu, select Paste Special then from the dialog box, set the option for HTML and click OK. Now, if you're a veteran of Microsoft Office (and many users of Live apps will be), you'd probably expect Paste Special to mean something else entirely. For the better part of two decades, it's been the way you paste linked or embedded text from a source. Say you're copying cells from a spreadsheet into a Word document; you'd use Paste Special so that the pasted cells are updated when the spreadsheet is updated. There's nothing particularly intuitive about the phrase "Paste Special" that means, in this particular context, "Hey, the buffer might contain HTML tags, so treat them as markups instead of literal characters, please."

The main screen from the first public beta of 'Wave 3' of Windows Live Writer

Still, that doesn't excuse the absence of search and replace, especially in a program that is at least sophisticated enough to contain a spell checker. You can Find Text from the Edit menu, but that's the extent of Live Writer's location abilities.

The Source tab along the bottom does give you direct access to a blog post's source code. Now, Microsoft has actually learned a lot since the era of FrontPage, so it's good to see that while Live Writer lays out a blog post's contents cleanly, it's also using a minimum of HTML tags, and using the most basic ones. You can paste fancy markup into this area if that's your inclination, but if you were the type of blogger who really needed exclusive markup, you probably wouldn't be using Live Writer anyway.

The properties pane for inserted images in 'Wave 3' of Windows Live WriterThe smoothest part of Live Writer we've used thus far is the picture handling. You shouldn't try drag-and-drop, though after you click the Insert Picture link from the right pane, the process is very familiar and straightforward. Pictures that are obviously too big for the space where you're inserting them, are automatically scaled down to a reasonable scale -- what appears to us to be about 50% of the column width of the full layout. That's something Microsoft Word doesn't do; it doesn't assume you probably want a huge image to be printed smaller than the width of the page, making you size it down instead.

The properties pane for inserted pictures is straightforward, and in our test, changes made there were reflected on-screen quite quickly. So there's obviously some thought given to reducing steps and making some processes more intuitive, in Live Writer.

Perhaps the one bar you'd expect Live Writer to clear handily, though, is the need to extend the "experience" above and beyond what the Windows Live Spaces user already has available. The default blog post entry page in Live Spaces doesn't look like much at first, but it actually contains a lot of functionality that's mirrored in Live Writer. You can insert stored text and images pretty much the same way, your formatting tools are fairly similar, and you can directly access the source code.

What exactly does Live Writer give you, then, that's over and above what Microsoft offers everyone online? Depending on the user's bandwidth, Live Writer is probably a little faster. But it's not exactly an "online application" any more, especially with its direct dependence on Windows-based libraries such as DirectX -- dependencies that, of course, take "Wave 3" out of the realm of possibilities for Mac OS and Linux users.

Live Writer is an interesting test of Microsoft trying to do something on a small scale, in a big way. We'll keep our eyes on it, but for now, it has a ways to go.

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By TigerEyes

edited Sep 19, 2008 - 5:09 AM

The current release version works just fine for me, I'm using it for live and wordpress. I find it easier to use than similar products. It may not have all the features of other products, but nor does it have all their defects and idiosyncrasies.

I'll wait for release product. I was hoping it would use the Office 2007 UI, doesn't look like it tho'.

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By Brando Turner [MSFT]

edited Sep 18, 2008 - 11:13 PM

Hello,

I am one of the developers of Windows Live Writer. First of all, I want to thank you for taking a look at Windows Live Writer!

Thank you for the feedback about find/replace. We know we are missing this feature, and it has been on our backlog for a long time, but we haven't heard many people activity ask for it.

"You shouldn't try drag-and-drop" - You should be able to drag and drop pictures into the canvas and they will be inserted. If you tried that, and it didn't work, there is a bug. Please let me know if that is true via email.

While we do work with Windows Live Spaces, we also support many other blogging services like Wordpress, Blogger, and Typepad. And at this point we are not trying to hold any above the others, including our own Windows Live Spaces.

@mmoak
We have improved the video embedding in the newest version of WLW that we shipped yesterday(the one reviewed here). If you are still having problems, please contact me so we can take care of them. I have also blogged about the problems with embeding video and the steps we took to correct it here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/brandonturner/

If anyone has anymore feedback; feel free to contact me directly at bturner*at*microsoft*dot*com

I am always open for feedback and/or support help if you run into issues.

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By SMFulton3

posted Sep 19, 2008 - 2:30 PM

Brando,

First of all, thank you so much for replying in person and for reading BetaNews. About drag-and-drop: In my test yesterday, drag-and-drop was non-responsive. My test platform was a Virtual PC VM running Windows XP Professional and IE8 Beta 2. I could try another platform with IE7 or Vista to see whether this problem is more chronic.

I will say this: I'm not surprised that users do not ask you explicitly to include search and replace in, what's essentially, a text editor program. There's a grocery store going up down the street from me, and I haven't thought to write the proprietors to congratulate them and make sure they carry milk and eggs. It almost goes without saying; so my suggestion is that when users give feature suggestions, you should consider them as representing possible inclusions that go over and above the basic foundation features...like search and replace.

Yours,

-SF3

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By itsgpgo

posted Sep 19, 2008 - 1:45 PM

Please look what I wrote, and help me get better writing services for my live email...gpgo@hotmail.com also itsgpgo@aol.com also gpgo@yahoo.com...thank you George Dolan, and someday I can buy Vista...

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By ladylust

posted Sep 18, 2008 - 10:58 PM

Why doesn't Beatnews just put "Microsoft Sucks" in every single title about Microsoft? You are turning in to the MSNBC of tech news...

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By SMFulton3

posted Sep 19, 2008 - 2:24 PM

Well, ladylust, that would be pretty stupid of us to do, especially since I myself don't think "Microsoft sucks," and I think I speak for everyone else here when I say Microsoft doesn't suck.

Now, it may be certain readers' tendencies to take every story where the needle of opinion tips one direction or the other, and then magnify that as if with a magnet so that it tilts all the way and makes it easier to boil down into five words or less -- black or white, positive or negative, "rocks" or "sucks." That false interpretation is certainly within readers' rights, though I'm not responsible for the choice of tint on their glasses.

My intention here was to tilt the needle a little one direction, in such a way that Microsoft may be compelled to help tip it back the other way. That's what testing is about.

-SF3

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By mmoak

posted Sep 18, 2008 - 7:20 PM

It also does not handle embed video well.

It's a shame because I would use something like this if it were more flexible.

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By itsgpgo

posted Sep 19, 2008 - 1:41 PM

Please make all writing services, for email, photos, and video...work well for disabled people, always make it easy, fun, interactive, graphical and great to use, on everday use...thank you disabled military veteran...have a nice a nice week to all you help people write better...

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