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Windows Sidebar: 'Sky's The Limit'

By Ed Oswald, BetaNews

September 14, 2005, 3:52 PM

In some of the earliest builds of Longhorn, the Sidebar was the most visible change. While its eventual use within the operating system wasn't initially clear, its sudden disappearance in the build given to attendees of WinHEC surprised many Windows enthusiasts.

In a discussion Tuesday evening with BetaNews, Windows lead product manager Greg Sullivan said the Sidebar was never fully removed as a feature within the operating system. "You'll see things reappear and disappear," he explained.

Sullivan confirmed that there was always a development team working on the project. However, he did acknowledge that the focus of the Windows Sidebar has changed to become more developer centric.

In Windows Vista, the Sidebar will now serve as a platform for third parties to extend Windows with "Gadgets."

"The sidebar is a container for these mini-applications," Sullivan explained. Most of the applications built for the sidebar will use elements of the operating system in order to function. He said this makes Microsoft's Gadgets quite different from those offered by Apple through its Dashboard and Yahoo with Konfabulator.

Developers will also not be limited in what type of scripting they can use to develop gadgets. Whereas one can only develop Dashboard Widgets with DHTML and JavaScript, Microsoft's gadgets can be developed using a variety of programming methods including C#, ZAML and more.

"It's different from a developer standpoint," Sullivan said, noting that there are few constraints on what people can do. "I think the sky's the limit."

Sullivan directed interested developers to visit microsoftgadgets.com to learn more about the platform and to also make submissions, as the site will become a portal of sorts for users to find and download new gadgets.

As for those who may be focusing on other features that disappear during Vista's development phase, Sullivan offered some words of caution. "Don't focus on what's there and what's not," he said.

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By montoyafan3

posted Sep 15, 2005 - 7:30 PM

pronounced zaml

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By montoyafan3

edited Sep 14, 2005 - 7:42 PM

its XAML

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By Mystiqq

posted Sep 15, 2005 - 12:54 PM

Frankly, im not all that excited about Vista. Id like to see them making it faster, more reliable and tweak things that need tweak, but as far as im concerned all these eye candy that im seeing is just worthless waste of time.

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By ds0934

posted Sep 15, 2005 - 10:52 AM

Ok, let's get serious (no, not Sirius, that's entirely different). Unless Longhorn (or Wonghorn in China?) sports the same awesome interface goodies I see in Halo 2 who cares. The changes I've seen in Vista/B1 so far look like bells and whistles, and oh yes, more UI changes to make you go searching for what you just got used to in XP.

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By Tenoq

posted Sep 15, 2005 - 6:55 PM

It took you four years to get used to XP?

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By ds0934

posted Sep 15, 2005 - 10:51 AM

So what's a smidget then? That would be a midget using a sidebar widget. If they're spinning from the ceiling fan by their underwear, that might be a swidget. I like where this is going.

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By Hillard

posted Sep 15, 2005 - 9:46 PM

You know I believe you might have something there. I quess it could be ceilidget or fanidget . Then what would be a gidget? Uhmmmm, alas we may never know. That makes me really sad.

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By Hillard

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 10:49 PM

You all kill me. Everybody knows that a widget, is in fact, when you pull a midgets underwear up their butt crack so hard and so high you can tell their gender. Or, is that an atomic widget?? Then what is even funnier than that is while their undies are over their heads hang'em on a ceiling fan by the undies and turn it on high and watch'em go..

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By ferpferp

edited Sep 15, 2005 - 5:45 AM

Wouldn't that be a 'wedget'?

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By GeorgeSantayana

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 9:56 PM

Microsoft is wise to make the sidebar a platform. In fact, that's what Google has done with their Google Desktop Sidebar.

Microsoft will likely stumble with their continued failed business model of allowing ISVs to get money in exchange for their "gadgets." Google--who has embraced open source--is much more in tune with the future by offering plugin developers a free T-shirt.

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By wincement

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 9:59 PM

hahahaha

that made me laugh.

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By richwise

edited Sep 14, 2005 - 8:42 PM

Yeah right, Sky's the Limit.

Stop pumping up something that you can only describe in abstract terms. What is the "real world" use?

Too much of the crap that comes out these days is puffery with a "wow, that's cool" shelf life of a month or two.

I think widgets are fun for about 2 minutes. According to this article, the only thing different between "widgets" and "gadgets" are that "gadgets" are tied to the OS. Geez, that makes me excited.

I'd say they would be looking for a lawsuit like the way IE was tied to the OS, but one difference - you need the OS, I don't think the average Joe gives two hoots about widgets.

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By wincement

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 9:57 PM

"According to this article, the only thing different between "widgets" and "gadgets" are that "gadgets" are tied to the OS. Geez, that makes me excited."

It's radically different if you think about it. Rather than just being another sidebar that displays info off the web, it will be able to interface with the core of the OS. That means endless possibilities for tasks that can be performed from a bar that is always visible (if the user so chooses).

If you keep an open mind about it, I think you will be surprised at how much you like the sidebar when it's finished.

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By fewt

posted Sep 15, 2005 - 7:32 AM

Hmm, sounds like a new way to spread bad code.

I'll pass thanks.

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By rcutnik

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 6:35 PM

What if they better work on removing all the unuseful files to support DOS/Win9x? Or at least work on the option to NOT install such support... or such thing is not possible cuz they really don't improve the core BUT they work on widgets only?

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By Niro

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 7:02 PM

Yes..."hey! I got an idea!! Lets completely cease support for older applications and make them not work at all on our new OS! This will force companies to upgrade their applications!!! Brilliant!"

MS tech 2: "uh...what if companies just don't purchase our new OS because their applications won't work on it?"

MS tech 1: "screw the companies! the enthusiast home user doesn't want backward compatibility!!!"

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By grassy

posted Sep 15, 2005 - 9:20 AM

I know you are trying to make a joke but that is EXACTLY what Apple has done about 4 times in their life already. And no one seems to mind. I would bet tho that if a version of windows had no compatability for previous software there would be a media frenzy claiming doom for the world

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By GeorgeSantayana

posted Sep 15, 2005 - 1:19 PM

No one seems to mind? Hah! Developers mind. And after Apple yanking the rug out from under them several times, it's no surprise that most went bankrupt or switched to Windows.

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By rcutnik

posted Sep 15, 2005 - 4:05 AM

They should work on enhancing the core to give us the *OPTION* to NOT INSTALL what we don't need (for those of us who would like it so).

However, Microsoft and the OEM community that bundles Windows prefer to sale systems that require MORE AND MORE system resources by having people commenting on widgets, instead of true technology leaps.

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By imafurby

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 4:42 PM

Personally I hate sidebars, and Dashboard Widgets? Sounds like a lot of useless eye candy to me. How about developing a virus proof o/s that loads quickly and runs fast?

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By shy_one

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 6:41 PM

The only secure OS would be one that asked permission to do absolutly anything every time you want speed forget it it's one or the other since anything that is automated there is potential to infect it.

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By grassy

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 4:59 PM

If you think that *anyone* can develop and virus proof OS you are living in a dream world.

While I personaly don't see myself using widgets I like the fact that they are there. Maybe someone will make one that is really useful. Or maybe we will just end up with more crap that slipstream installs adware on the PC :/ Either way you can't fault the manufacturer for the socialy immoral(sp? amoral?, whatever) applications that are developed.

Also, widgets aren't new, they were bound to end up in a version of windows eventualy. Mac OS, Object Desktop, Konfabulator... I am sure there are lesser known ones I am forgetting as well.

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By wincement

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 4:58 PM

Open your mind a little. I think you'll be eating those words when you see what it can do to make life easier for you.

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By itanshi

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 6:38 PM

i'm just hoping that virus writers get bored of writing for xp and write for longhorn so i can keep what i got. that is if there isn't something built in that'll break it (win95? yeh yeh i know that isn't 'precisely' what occured) so i'll have to upgrade...

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By Kr0m

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 4:49 PM

They could never do that so they've given up trying to.
I 2nd your notion though.

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By Tene

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 6:33 PM

Either that or they're being honest;- competition strikes, elitism increases, amid the confusion something actually happens.

Whilst that of course was an amazingly subtle innuendo, yes, I agree it's nice to criticise them. Addictive, even.

It happened with "WinFS", it's happening to every other feature of substance. Just 10 years later, only 2 major milestones down the line.

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By iamtux

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 4:30 PM

awesome stuff

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By azz0r

edited Sep 14, 2005 - 4:22 PM

Cant wait for them!

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By Banshie1

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 5:43 PM

You dont have to wait for them check out;
www.stardock.com
www.samurize.com

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By Niro

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 7:05 PM

I love how stardock apps bring my computer to a crawl...that's my favorite feature of their software.

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By Paradise-FH-

posted Sep 14, 2005 - 7:18 PM

maybe it's time to buy a new computer or perhaps stop basing your opinion on something you downloaded five years ago?

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By JesusWept

edited Sep 15, 2005 - 10:18 AM

Completely agree with Niro, stardocks products do seem to have some crazy love from slamming the brakes on any power your pc has.

oh and no one was bothered about the Apple switch over because Apple doesn't really run huge corporate networks, if you had a massive massive company ...
Imagine the cost of rolling out the new OS (which is money in itself)
Imaginge then having to upgrade ALL of your legacy software (another huge cost)
Imagine the cost and time people would need to see out the learning curve of the new OS *AND* the new software.

sounds like a winner!

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By psycros

posted Sep 15, 2005 - 11:15 AM

Sounds like yet another avenue for virus writers to exploit. Widgets that interface with the core functions...oh, brilliant. How many backdoors can they possibly add??

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By justinrobbins

posted Sep 15, 2005 - 4:36 PM

i think this is comparable to linux and the kde or gnome environment. currently in these two environments have a widgets type system in place as well - you can download widgets that go in the deskbar. thesse are individual applications such as a "CLOCK" applet that runs.

for example, a fish called WANDA. this is an applet that has a fish that tells your fortune for the day. this is what i think they are putting into the new sidebar. it makes sense, but doesnt it make sense for it to be in a contained environment? such as, if the applet crashes you can disable the applet and it doesn't bring down the system?

also, what happens with a virus or spyware writer creates an applet that installs as an activeX object and installs its code into the sidebar and then you are stuck being unable to use your pc because the code is now embedded into the sidebar.

sounds like a rotten plan from that point of view.

from a programming point of view though it makes sense - calculator, even notepad that pops up to take notes quickly and then maybe launches ONENOTE with a catalog of the notes entered

sounds neat from that perspective

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