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Updated: Windows Vista SP1 downloadable now, ships tomorrow

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews

March 19, 2008, 11:53 AM

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11:50 am March 19, 2008 - Despite Amazon's messages on Tuesday that it would be shipping commercial packages with Windows Vista SP1 starting today, those messages this morning were found to be replaced with new notices that the new boxes aren't in stock yet.

Currently, items for sale are marked with the curious message, "In stock on March 20, 2008."


1:12 pm EDT March 18, 2008 - Just a few hours after Amazon told its customers that Windows Vista SP1 packages would be shipping tomorrow, Microsoft made Service Pack 1 for Vista generally available.

In a blog post just minutes ago, Windows Vista product manager Nick White acknowledged having encountered driver compatibility problems with the initial deployment of SP1, though at this point those problems aren't exactly news.

"We spent the last couple of months looking closely at reports of driver problems on pre-release builds and, to be safe, we held the public availability until March," White wrote. "We've completed our analysis and are happy to report that many of these issues were fixed between the release candidate (RC) and the final version. We identified a small number of device drivers that may be problematic after an update from Windows Vista to Windows Vista SP1."


12:36 pm EDT March 18, 2008 - If all goes as planned, the final stage of one of the most careful, highly monitored, and nervously anticipated rollout processes in Microsoft's history may at last be under way.

Web retailer Amazon is advising customers who are placing pre-orders for commercial, box versions of Windows Vista with Service Pack 1 included, that the product will be available for shipping tomorrow, March 19.

The full edition of Windows Vista Ultimate with SP1 included is selling for $299.99, with the upgrade only edition selling at $194.99. Windows Home Premium with SP1 is selling for $215.99 for the full edition, $94.99 for the upgrade edition, which is geared towards owners of Windows XP and earlier Windows clients. Amazon's price represents a discount from Microsoft's suggested retail prices, which do not appear to be changing amid the addition of SP1 to these packages.

Microsoft dropped its Windows Vista prices last month, after more than one year on the commercial market.

The "release" of Vista SP1 has been a gradual, careful one on account of the fact that some of its additions were expected to cause problems with some existing Vista customers. After its release to manufacturing in early February, SP1 was made available over the Windows Update service, to customers who were ready to test their systems and who didn't want to wake up one morning to discover Vista had changed something big.

Later, the plan was to make SP1 available via Automatic Updates, but that process was suspended for a short time after some customers complained about their computers becoming stuck in an endless reboot cycle.

The commercial release has always been planned as the last stage, though its precise date has been left floating to allow for potential problems -- and there were some -- to be ironed out during the upgrade process for existing customers.

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By Duster

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 10:37 PM

As an addition to my first comment: for all of you who are happy to see 4GB...do you? For example: with a 2GB memeory system, you'll see and read 2047 depending if you are sharing memeory or not...it is good for a 1GB 2GB 3GB or a 4GB.....it seems that it in SP1 somebody changed the text to just 4GB on the other hand if you have another system with 4GB and up such sas 2003 or 2008 server...check to see how much the system reads the memory. The systsem cannot read straight 4GB memory, no matter what!!!!
and then, please post your comment...hopefully my comments will help everybody. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By Duster

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 10:18 PM

hi everybody,
to make a long story short, after testing the service pack for a long time, I suggest to everybody NOT to put it on your machine! If you think that it is working faster, then it is just an illusion! As people have said, there are lots of problems with Vista SP1. One of the major problems with Vista32 is the USB drivers,(it takes a long time for the system to recognize USB plug n play or other device) and it also seems to cause problems with KVM USB. It will work, but won't reconize the keyboard, and in some other cases other devices. Micrososft said they are working on this issue (USB drivers).
I would suggest and recommend to everybody, don't put on SP1, and wait for the official launch to do so. Hopefully it will also support multi-language.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 24, 2008 - 9:34 AM

Most of us here have installed SP1 without issue.

The USB driver issue likely affects only a small (but obviously vocal) section of Vista users.

As for speed issues we've had several people here run benchmarks that disagree with the "illusion" bit. (Obviously more-so for the folks who hadn't previously installed the performance/compatibility packs)

Personally, network performance has increased on my system, as well as file copying of large directories with many (over 100) files. (Speed of actual copy (12MB/sec) is the same, but it takes far less time to calc)

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By JakInAlaska

edited Mar 21, 2008 - 3:22 PM

I downloaded the SP1 and installed it on two of my computers one on a HP with Vista Home Premium and another on a HP with vista ulimata with no problems. now I have tried to install it on my laptop and I get the following error, this a a HPDV9310US with vista ulimata, Windows Vista Service Pacl1 cannot be installed on your computer because the language of windows vista you have installed is not supported or you have installed a panguage pack that is not supported. windows vista service pack1 can only be installed on computers running the english, french, german, japanese and spanish versions of windows vista or computers running only those lanuage packs. To my knowledge, I only have english and german on this comuter.
any suggestions on what to do? I will go on my other computer and see what the lanaguage packs are and see if I can find out if another lanaguge pack loaded that I did not want or need.

Jak In Alaska

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 11:02 AM

Uninstall the german pack, install SP1, and re-install the german pack. :)

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By terminalx

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 4:35 PM

If you have any language pack installed other then the ones listed you cannot install sp1 at this time, the second wave you will be able to.

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By Duster

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 3:04 PM

Component Details Subscore Base score
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Extreme CPU X9650 @ 3.00GHz 5.9 5.9
Determined by lowest subscore
No SP1
Memory (RAM) 2.00 GB 5.9
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra 5.9
Gaming graphics 1535 MB Total available graphics memory 5.9
Primary hard disk 95GB Free (140GB Total) 5.9
Windows Vista (TM) Ultimate

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 11:01 AM

Nice. Everything on mine is 5.9 but my CPU (5).

I'll have to update that eventually. Was pleasantly surprised my bargain-bin RAM scored so high.

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By Duster

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 4:29 PM

HI PC_TOOL
2GB DDR-3 @ 1333
Asus Maximus Extreme
All The System Under $3500
Almost Dream Machine !!!!

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 24, 2008 - 9:29 AM

Wow. My system cost me just over a grand...and I'm still @ 5.

Sucks to be you when a $160 CPU will get me to 5.9. :p

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By Duster

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 4:26 PM

hi to pc_tool
2gb ddr-3 only 1333
asus Maximus Extreme
under $3500

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By joeshmoe7

posted Mar 20, 2008 - 11:50 PM

Just installed on a vista-basic laptop. Took long but worth it, it really seemed to smooth out the performance, overall runs a lot better now. Looks like its a keeper :)

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By untaimed18

posted Mar 20, 2008 - 2:59 PM

Install took only 35 minutes. I noticed a significant change in the response of the start menu loading, and folder thumbnail loading. Actually, they were already loaded when I opened the folder and before SP1, they would load after the folder had been opened. Everything seems to be running smoothly and shutdown and boot seem to be a little quicker. A nice release!

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By guessed

posted Mar 20, 2008 - 1:03 AM

Seems to have gone ok but for a few things:

1. My sound was disabled but I just re-enabled it and all was well.
2. Live Messenger got messed up and wanted to reinstall every startup. Fixed with an uninstall and reinstall of messenger.
3. This is silly I know but I had replaced the winload.exe.mui file for a customised boot screen. I knew it would be restored to vista original but now there doesn't seem any way to customize it. And yes, I have selected nogui boot!

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By Jordanr05

posted Mar 20, 2008 - 1:21 AM

Went home and installed SP1 on my Toshiba M70 laptop. I noticed my special features for my sound card were disabled (virtual surround etc.) but a restart put me back in business.

I had no problems on my work machine.

Quite impressed with this roll-out, especially considering all the under-hood improvements (particularly the updated server 2008 kernel).

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By improvelence

edited Mar 19, 2008 - 1:14 PM

Installed fast on PC and laptop. Around 25 min on both, doesn't take 6 years to copy a file across my network anymore, nor from hard drive to hard drive. Laptop doesn't lock up when going to sleep anymore. PC doesnt take forever to shutdown. Faster boot on both. IE 8 Beta still works, it didn't sabotage Firefox or anything. I did lose sound and had to reboot once. The volume control application crashed and gave me a close program error. Never seen that before but as of this morning it was working fine so it could have been related to something else I was running or recently installed.

I'll hold back my thanks to Microsoft for a couple weeks and see if I am still happy.

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By xyzcb1

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 1:42 PM

I have hardware issue with SP1. I installed the driver for my draft N craft, and it keep on saying driver/hardware cannot start. Soft reset doesn't help. I shutdown the computer and gave up. Next morning, when I am ready to call Newegg for RMA, I turn on the computer, and everything is working.

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By bourgeoisdude

edited Mar 19, 2008 - 10:33 AM

Well, it took about 40-45 minutes to install for me. No problems with the install at all.

I also haven't done much with it. It's my home PC so there's just a couple of other PCs on the network, neither of which run Vista. Honestly I did not see a "wow" change with network performance, but again I'm running in a workgroup and I am forced to run wireless network for the Vista box.

Only noticeable difference is when I updated my Avast antivirus. Previously, in every update it would freeze for a few seconds at around the middle of the download process (we're talking average of just a mere 60,000 byte update) for no reason. Now it just runs through without interruption.

It has updated twice since I got SP1 and it ran straight through both times, and it has never done this prior to SP1. I actually found that interesting--I figured it was Avast's servers that caused the delay and never dreamed Vista had anything to do with it.

Anyway, all my drivers are intact, my experience index is left unchanged, no significant performance increases that I have noticed yet (certainly no decreases though), but all is working.

One other thing to note is that I had forgotten that I used IE8 beta 1 when I upgraded so during the process I started to worry--but after the update IE8 still works the same as before. So one needn't worry if updating with IE8 beta 1.

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By robmanic44

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 8:07 AM

I had all my systems on Vista Ultimate, but it wouldn't recognize either my kvm switch or my fast ethernet switch. I'm back to running XP with no problems. I've got a new HP with Vista Home Premium 64bit that's currently offline. I may have to buy a new motherboard in order to install XP. I'm selling my Vista Ultimates. I'm simply tired of messing around with Vista.

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By Banquo

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 3:52 PM

KVM switch? Are you serious? Hey I'll do you one better. I tried Vista SP1 and it totally wouldn't detect my computer desk. I couldn't even get the keyboard drawer to slide out. I've gone back to XP and now my desk is working fine. :P

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By cap737

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 6:10 AM

Anyone else have a compatability issue with their surge protectors?? It doesn't have the Vista Compatable logo on it so I'm hesitant to upgrade :( Gee, I hope they release a patch for it soon!

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By improvelence

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 1:10 PM

wow...no.

An external kvm switch would work with a trs-80 running trs-dos. Vista cannot crawl out of your computer and sever the video signal. Who are you kidding here?

Go buy a mac post haste!

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By kaikara

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 12:45 PM

troll. Doesn't work with a switch. come on.

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By fs2k155

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 12:40 PM

This is the skill set of the average Vista basher.

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By robmanic44

posted Mar 20, 2008 - 8:30 AM

I've built 5 computers including my server. Vista ask me for the disk for the Cables to Go KVM switch and then gave a not available message. I tried to download the driver from Microsoft. It was available, but not for Vista, for XP. I'll match my computer skills with yours anytime. I may be brain damaged, but I'm not stupid.

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By terminalx

edited Mar 20, 2008 - 9:41 AM

"I may be brain damaged, but I'm not stupid."

I don't think that word means what you think...

This appears to be a user error because others using your switch have no problems, plus as been explained its just wires and a led, it doesn't care what OS you use.

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By SGD

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 11:36 AM

Ah what is to recognize? A switch is a switch nothing is different from the next. Same with the KVM nothing needs to installed to make them work with Vista or any other OS.

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By Niro

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 10:23 AM

Not recognizing your fast ethernet switch?? What does that even mean?

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By bourgeoisdude

edited Mar 20, 2008 - 5:36 PM

He probably means it screwed up his onboard ethernet drivers. Since Vista's "Network" applett shows those little icons representing his switch and his picture shows his switch there with a red 'x' through it, he is saying it fails to recognise his switch. His bad.

EDIT: No, it connects directly to his dsl modem fine he said. Can't be his ethernet drivers. Maybe his "switch" is actually a router and the update messed with his PC configuration that--no, I still can't see anything with his software killing his ability to use the switch.

Something else must've happened at the same time he upgraded to SP1...

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By robmanic44

posted Mar 20, 2008 - 4:24 PM

If I hookup my system directly to my dsl modem I can run Vista. If I try to use my ethernet switch and KVM switch I can't. It amazes me that people who can't see my system can instantly diagnose my problems. Maybe their doctor can diagnose cancer over the phone.
My system works very well and is very fast with XP installed. Why is that so difficult to accept?

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Mar 20, 2008 - 5:26 PM

It amazes me that people who can't see my system can instantly diagnose my problems.

Maybe it's because a KVM switch has absolutely 0, nada, to do with what OS is being used.

If you use the USB connecttion on one of those USB switches then perhaps there is an issue, but ethernet it doesn't matter. Perhaps it messed up your network card drivers in your PC...check those?

A KVM switch, on the other hand, is just essentially a wire splitter, and requires no software whatsoever.

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By yountmj

posted Mar 24, 2008 - 8:02 AM

We sell some USB KVM switches that are USB, not PS/2. Those are, in fact, OS-dependant... as far as the utility that resides in the system tray that helps manage the different PCs is concerned.

I don't believe he mentioned what type of connection it utilized, but that may be the problem... other than that, I've got nothing, as I agree that it really shouldn't matter.

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By robmanic44

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 6:52 AM

Thank you for your advice. I'll check the network card drivers.

I took a header through a windshield at 70mph and suffered severe head trauma. I also lost my left eye. I wonder if some of the people here could do as well as I've done under the circumstances.

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By terminalx

posted Mar 21, 2008 - 9:32 AM

No one is trying to insult you just pointing out that the device you are using is not OS dependent, it doesn't care what you use, hence everyone jumping on you.

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By dvferret

edited Mar 19, 2008 - 2:54 PM

Means he forgot to connect it to the computer.

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By dvferret

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 10:17 AM

Recognizes my switch just fine. Its the manufacturer's fault for Vista not noticing it, not Vista itself.

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By SlapShot

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 7:14 AM

Installed SP1 last night, it's working great :)

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By zridling

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 4:02 AM

Kudos to Microsoft for foregoing fluff and focusing on solid fixes and updating the kernel. Smoothest service pack installation of the decade.

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By dvferret

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 8:58 PM

lol, i'd have to agree with that one.

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By rsx508

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 12:15 PM

Nothing personal, but holy cow! Coming from you I had to read that three times to make sure my eyes weren't failing. Then I fell out of my chair. (all in good fun though) :)

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 10:55 AM

lol..

Had to copy/paste the userid into notepad to make sure we didn't suddenly have a fake zridling...

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By toasale

edited Mar 19, 2008 - 6:55 AM

Smart "shoppers", such as new car model buyers, wait a while, until others drive them to find out the problems. After visiting the M-Soft forum on SP1 "shoppers" are b****ing a lot.

There are numerous hitches in the release, which will be patched, but I ain't buying this "model" yet.

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By rsx508

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 12:16 PM

The driver-specific issues which you are likely referring to have been addressed. Microsoft already stated that they wouldn't make SP1 available to the public until those were resolved.

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By dvferret

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 10:18 AM

I dont know what your talking about buddy, its working great for most of the people.

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By bigsexy022870

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 11:31 PM

Working great. all i have thus far noticed is when downloading or transfering a file to another drive it's a little faster and doesnt hang at the end after the transfer is complete. Played several games and all is good. Nothing i can report either way. Chances are if you where upto date with windows update then you wont be getting alot of new stuff. Being my sp1 download was only 66mb. I should point out i havent really had any issues with Vista. I like it alot.

Update: transfering files is a good deal faster. i transfered a high def file which used to transfer at 60 to 65 mb per sec. Now it does it at 70-75mb per sec. Very nice improvment.

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By LordDracula

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 9:47 PM

After the installation of SP1 on Vista Business Edition 64 bits, it said that i need to activate my Windows, although it was already activate before i install SP1 and it won't allow me to reactivate it. Anybody else have this problem?

update: didn't have this problem on my laptop with the 32 bits version of Vista

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By rsx508

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 12:16 PM

Had you previously installed SP1 beta or release candidate on this machine?

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By LordDracula

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 12:40 PM

Nope I didn't install a beta or RC version of the SP1.

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By LordDracula

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 10:13 AM

Called MS to activate my copy of Vista. Everything working fine now.

Mine wasn't an OEM version

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By mjm01010101

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 8:02 AM

I had this issue also on two different OEM Vista 32-bit machines.

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By PC_Tool

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 10:29 PM

Odd.

5 minute call to MS support line should take care of it (Number is on the CD case, or in the booklet provided with the CD case).

They did attempt to block a few of the methods used to bypass activation (No word on the success or failure of that yet), which may account for hopefully no more than a few false positives such as the one you experienced.

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By yountmj

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 7:53 PM

All in all, an extremely painless installation. It required absolutely no input after the initial kick-off.

Downloaded both 32- and 64-bit versions at work, burned to DVD, and brought home.

The whole process took approximately 45 minutes on my current hardware.

5:37:00 - Installation Start
5:53:30 - First reboot (Configuring updates Stages 1 & 2 of 3)
5:55:40 - Configuring updates Stage 3 of 3
6:02:40 - Installation Stage 1 of 3
6:10:35 - Installation Stage 2 of 3
6:14:30 - Second reboot
6:16:50 - Installation Stage 3 of 3
6:21:45 - Configuring updates
6:22:40 - Installation Complete (Usable Desktop)

This was performed on my Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ and 2 GB of DDR400. Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit with all previous updates, hotfixes, and reliability / performance patches. All drivers are always up-to-date. This was not a clean installation, and has had several applications already installed for quite a few months, including Office 2007 Enterprise.

Reinstalling any drivers was not required after my update, but I may do so anyway just to satisfy my own peace of mind.

So far so good. I'm looking forward to benchmarking some network and local disk large file transfers, as this was one of the greatest sources of frustration for me in the past (took longer to calculate the time required to copy files than it did to actually copy them most of the time).

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 10:27 PM

Took about 40 minutes on mine, but my CPU is a step or two faster than yours (4400) and I am running a RAID-0 SATA2 with barracudas. ;)

To be honest, this was a pretty clean system. I had my standard apps and a few games, but had just put Vista back on it about 2 weeks ago.

No issues. Sound was still in quadraphonic and I could still connect to all my shares.

Will play with it more tomorrow night. Test the network throughput and such. Really need a link to the Multimeda/Networking tool available for SP1 to adjust the priorities.

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By internetworld7

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 6:47 PM

And yet Vista will still be a lemon, and the masses are stampeding to their nearest Apple stores and switching to a Mac. Why chew on a sour lemon when you can enjoy a sweet apple. :)

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By yourcat

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 11:21 PM

yeah... a sour granny smith apple.

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By dvferret

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 10:48 PM

Truly the funniest thing I've heard all day.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 10:22 PM

*yawn*

Let me know when the "stampede" = more than 10% market share...

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By BklynKid

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 9:34 AM

Well, actually...

http://www.macrumors.com...rcent-for-february-2008/

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By dvferret

edited Mar 19, 2008 - 10:22 AM

Yah and another website says that Apple has 0% market share. I think they both are wrong.

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By Skyfrog

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 10:12 AM

This from a site called Mac rumors. Not to mention that figure doesn't include the tiny PC company called Dell.

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By BklynKid

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 10:15 PM

It's true. I switched this month after being a life-long Microsoft enthusiast and Apple hater. I'm done with Windows and I'm done with poor design and integration offered by that market.

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By uberfly

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 4:14 PM

Enjoy the time spent away in your cave. May you be safe and sound.

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By yountmj

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 8:05 PM

Oh... is that why even Windows Vista by itself has a larger installed user base than all 5 versions of Mac OS X combined? The "stampede"?

I don't see the Apple store, but this has to be it:
http://www.all4humor.com...res/sheep-stampede.html

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By Skyfrog

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 6:50 PM

Yeah, the masses are really stampeding over to Apple. All 12 of them.

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By -Wanted-

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 3:57 AM

"Ha ha!" -- Nelson (from the Simpson's cartoon)

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By dvferret

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 10:49 PM

lol.

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By ingram091

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 6:42 PM

I have to give them credit this SP is feeling better then the beta by a long shot... and the new tools to clear out installed drivers BEFORE installation work very well... (this fixes SOME driver incompatibilities by dumping them till after the SP1 is applied), then it reloads the updated drivers once its ready. In 1 case alone I had to reinstall the driver from OEM site. The Nvidia video card. But to be honest I expected that..

All in all I was happy with the patch. It was smooth and not very time consuming to apply, as well as not too buggy after getting back to 100% drivers up.

Still no HP drivers for my scanner or Color laser printer. ;( But allas I honestly did not expect to see that either...

Obviously I am not a fan of Vista, But I have little choice but to use it in at least a Virtual machine on my server. So I do. But from what I've seen its worth applying it if you have to use Vista. Especially with the better file handling and drive management thats in it... Oh and they did clean up the WGA and Web check in stuff quite a bit. far less processes being dedicated on that now, so wasted CPU cycles are way down.

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By Skyfrog

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 6:49 PM

"Still no HP drivers for my scanner or Color laser printer."

Have you tried the XP drivers? I used them for my printer until Vista versions came out and they seemed to work just fine.

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By bourgeoisdude

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 1:46 PM

XP drivers could also screw up the print spooler service and require some registry editing to fix, so unless you know that the xp driver works for someone else, I'd hold off on that.

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By ingram091

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 9:31 PM

On my laser printer the only way it works in Vista is via network print sharing. But if I connect it directly It just don't work. I would assume the network sharing works because its just spooling to the other computer that has the correct drivers on it for XP.

So yea it works, just not how I would necessarily WANT it to work. Ideally the windows 2008 server / Vista Tower would have the printer attached to it instead of the XP laptop. :( maybe someday... And No I dont want another VM for XP pro on it just to print. lol Thats just getting silly. lol

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By yountmj

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 12:34 AM

I'm curious about which printer you have as well, and I do feel your pain. So far, I've had one scanner that simply refuses to work, and I've given up on it.

My HP LaserJet 4000N was picked up via parallel interface by Vista immediately with no hassles... pre-SP1 even. Ideally I would have it attached via JetDirect to the switch, but was curious to see if Vista recognized it first.

I've found in the past year that Vista's hardware support (or hardware vendor's support for Vista) is actually quite extensive, and continues to improve.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 10:18 PM

Out of curiosity, what model printer?

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By Jordanr05

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 5:28 PM

I posted a couple comments below about changes etc. and am happy to report no issues.

Now, I've heard that you can contact MS to get a new Vista install DVD w/SP1 integrated if you own a previous copy (just pay the shipping). Does anyone have information on this? website/email/phone number?

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By Skyfrog

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 6:47 PM

You should be able to order them here when they make SP1 versions available:

http://www.windowsmarket...m/content.aspx?ctId=404

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 10:42 PM

If purchased and downloaded from the digital locker (Windows marketplace) only.

If you purchased and downloaded a full or upgrade Windows Vista edition with your digital locker at Windows Marketplace, you are eligible to order Windows Vista backup discs.

Sucks. Hopefully they will provide a way to get an SP1 DVD to those of us unlucky enough to buy it elsewhere.

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By Skyfrog

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 12:28 AM

It doesn't ask for any confirmation though, so I think anyone can order backup discs.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 23, 2008 - 10:53 AM

Don't you need the key they "gave" you when you "ordered"? I'd think they could verify that.

Someone else try it. :p Let me know.

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By bigsexy022870

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 5:04 PM

File size ranges from 66.9 mb upto like 450mb. i guess if you are upto date you dont need everything.

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By bourgeoisdude

edited Mar 19, 2008 - 1:47 PM

I'll try this tonight on my home PC.

I'll let everyone know how it went.

...update near top of comments.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 3:02 PM

Ah, good. You can be my guinea pig. :)

Let me know how it goes.

Sucks you cannot slipstream these.

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By Jordanr05

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 5:27 PM

I installed it - no problems whatsoever. It's been a few hours and now that Vista has retrained itself I'm flying. Network file transfers are definitely speedier on my end.

Thank Christ I can finally choose what drives to defragment (Vista used to do all drives detected - not efficient).

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 10:22 PM

Yeah, bit the bullet and installed it here myself.

So far, no issues, but all I did was throw in a DVD and watch that.

Will play with it more tomorrow. I will note that Firefox 2.0..0.12 loaded almost instantly after clicking on it immediately after SP1 install, which is odd for two reasons: It was slow as crap before the install, and I had not given the OS any time to train, obviously.

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By dvferret

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 10:51 PM

I might wait till morning, its starting to get late...I guess Ill decide in the next few minutes.

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By dvferret

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 8:08 AM

Decided to install it last night and it seems to be working great.

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By PC_Tool

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 3:03 PM

If all goes as planned, the final stage of one of the most careful, highly monitored, and nervously anticipated rollout processes in Microsoft's history may at last be under way.

Oooh...dramatic. I think Windows 95 beat this hands down. It's just a service pack, FFS.

I reinstalled Vista the week before last and after the updates (The performance and stability/compatibility patches download automatically now...) everything works *much* better than it did just a few months ago.

Dunno if I want to go ahead with SP1 now... I like my search the way it is, and stuff.

Hey, Scott,

Any way you could give us the lowdown on what changes with SP1? Now that it's official and all that jazz?

All of the "problems" leading up to it are fun to watch people flame about and all, but you didn't really talk about the actual SP much...

For example: I would love to know what has been introduced to the SP that is not already installed on fully updated systems.

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By The MAZZTer

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 12:46 AM

"Oooh...dramatic. I think Windows 95 beat this hands down. It's just a service pack, FFS."

Heh. I was personally looking forward to XPSP3 moreso than this SP.

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By Jordanr05

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 5:19 PM

I have a *giant* pdf with all the changes, but this will get you started:

http://technet2.microsof...5-eec42ea0a03e1033.mspx

edit - found the pdf link (from MS itself):
http://www.microsoft.com...5912&DisplayLang=en

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By slimy

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 2:04 PM

why download from fileforum when you can download faster from MS?

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By Hidden_Agenda

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 3:06 PM

I was able to download from file forum (over my gigabit connection at work) in 2 min 2 sec.

In my opinion, pretty good for a 435MB file.

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By PC_Tool

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 2:11 PM

Because by tomorrow, MSFT's servers will be melting in a pool of silicon and BetaNews servers will be working just dandy.

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By dvferret

edited Mar 19, 2008 - 8:08 AM

You certainly got that right.

EDIT: Took about 45-50 minutes to install.

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By mjm01010101

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 11:38 PM

No he didn't. Their servers will be fine because they use akamai proxies.

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By roj

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 1:44 PM

**YAWN**

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By PC_Tool

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 2:12 PM

Next time, show your boredom by...

...not showing up.

I'm sure we'd all appreciate that.

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By roj

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 6:59 AM

Thankfully, it's never about *your* appreciation - or anyone else's for that metter.

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By big_mark

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 1:34 PM

So bring it on already!!

I'm ready to smash bugs!

:-P

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By schivelrybrn

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 3:28 PM

For an overview of significant changes and improvements in SP1
http://technet2.microsof...0a03e1033.mspx?mfr=true

For a list of the hotfixes and security updates included in SP1
http://technet2.microsof...e56ab1033.mspx?mfr=true

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By preston181

edited Mar 18, 2008 - 4:01 PM

I installed my SP1 today. I have had no major problems. The only 2 things I had to do additionally was to reconfigure my surrround sound settings, and to change my security settings in Windows Live One Care/IE 8 (Beta 1) to allow Windows Update to connect for updates. Other than that, no problems. My PC actually detects all 4 GB of RAM now too. I'm happy with the update.

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By mjm01010101

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 5:00 PM

"My PC actually detects all 4 GB of RAM now too. I'm happy with the update."

But doesn't use.

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By bigsexy022870

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 5:06 PM

the only reason it shows 4 gigs of ram is cause they changed it to show the total ram. B4 they showed what is actually availiable to you after windows gobbles up ram for system and devices, like you video card etc. you dont actually have more ram to play with then you did b4.

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By NunjaBusiness

posted Mar 18, 2008 - 11:52 PM

Why bother with 4GB of RAM anyway if they aren't running the 64-bit version?

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By mjm01010101

posted Mar 19, 2008 - 8:06 AM

RAM is cheap,.

It actually might use slightly more than 3 Gig's used.

Future upgrade to 64-bit.

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