~Simple Truth~

MS = bloaty, me-too, half-baked software with an expensive long-term TCO. Generally cheaply made and poorly designed hardware with a short life - replace every 2-3 years. End result -> $$$, landfill, and many headaches along the way.

Apple = Classy well-running OS. Excellent and useful quality software included. Top-of-the-class hardware that runs both its own OS (and even Windoze if you must) wonderfully. Replace every 4-5 years after years of enjoyment and maybe even make a buck on the sale. End result -> $$ and :)

How do you type with your classy little pinky sticking up like that?

That is silly logic. I can buy brand new PC with latest hardware and in two years throw it away and get another PC brand new with the latest hardware and in two years throw it away and get another brand new PC with latest hardware and still pay less than buying one Mac now.

__The only "logic" for some people is face value. Yes, ninrsfansd, the world really is flat - good thing you weren't fooled by that silly round logic.

Mapple MyPod or MyMac, anyone?

Ha.

It was totally OK when Apple dissed Microsoft. **** U Apple

Because Apple has historically been the underdog, people generally overlook how low-class and cutthroat they can be. After reading any sort of Mac publication, it's refreshing to go pick up a PC, gaming, art, etc magazine and actually read them talk about their products instead of spend half the article space trash talking others. The Apple brood can't get a sentence out without sinking to new lows.
I congratulate Apple on it's design achievements. But I'd have to be blind and, well, dead not to see how they are as bad or worse as any other company out there. But only a heretic would admit that, I guess....

Isnt that the kind of response you'd expect from a company thats full of s**t? Cartwheels down the hallway!

Are you sure you have been observing properly for the past 20 years?

Because a lot has happened with Apple in the last decade or so, including being one of the most successful and innovative tech company in the world, winning countless awards for best design and being the most admired company in the US (America's Most Admired Companies 2008 - Fortune magazine) and, of course, let's not forget topping all customer satisfaction surveys.

Clearly, I think the quality of their design has got to be worth something, don't you think?

Well, one more item before I leave.

To revisit the iPhone comments from below. I think it's funny that Apple teamed up with the worst phone service in the world and the biggest Microsoft clone AT&T.

I hope they get smart and do not renew their contract. Not that I want an iPhone but because I think... The decision to go with AT&T was another one of those bad decisions that is holding Apple back. Maybe Apple would have a bigger share of the market if they quit "Micro Managing" everyone that wants to jump on the "Apple Band Wagon".

It's kind of like prejudice. My family moved to the US in 1910. I'm proud of my Italian heritage but I don't go around referring to myself as Italian American all the time. Maybe we would have less fighting and prejudice if everyone just accepted that they are Earthlings and left it at that instead of rubbing it in everyone's face all the time.

Yes my last comment had nothing to do with this post but since I have the audience I'll use it and hopefully it will open someone's eyes. My brother in law and boss are proud of their heritage too but they don't dwell on the pains of their ancestors. They strive to better themselves, just like our president.

Peace Everyone

I think there are elements of truth in all these responses and Apple is certainly far from perfect. But the world is being "plasticized to death" by all us cheapskates and PCychophants who aren't willing to support quality technologies and quality ideas because we think somehow that the less bucks we spend by purchasing [P]iecesof[C]rap, the more bucks we have left to spend on even more [P]iecesof[C]rap. In the end, the toxins and waste pile up in the Yangtse River as they make their way to the dying Oceans and the cheapskates just get poorer and less creative, and the whole world gets sicker. Dramatic I know - but not so far from the mark. Thanks you spineless bunch of M$ mindless soul-sucking [P]op[C]ulturite drones for Destroying The World!

hee hee ;)

Once more with feeling....a PC is a Macintosh...

You must have gone to school at the "Michael Moore, Bill Maher, Keith Olbermann" school of sympathy and caring.

I'm just joking, you actually do have a purpose in life. Unlike the 3 guys I just mentioned who are some of those toxins and waste that you mentioned are destroying the world.

As George Costanza would say "I'm outta here everyone" bubye

Well there you go. Great insight.

I was with Rodime in the early 80's when we manufactured hard drives for the macintosh. it was clearly a better product than the X86 at that time. Steve Jobs shot himself in the foot by being too proprietary then and it looks like he is back and doing it again. Apple finally woke up and went to intel but Jobs will soon run the iphone into the ground. Technology is advancing too fast to remain proprietary and let someone else pass you. Frankly Apple doesn't have enough technical people to remain on top.

and throws legal letters at schools for using an Apple as a logo lol
http://www.cbc.ca/techno...-school-apple-logo.html
http://images.appleinsid...apple-vsbt-081007-1.jpg

i like this comment "Who owns the idea of the apple on the teacher's desk? Apples have been associated with education long before the advent of the Apple Corporation..."

Well the theory that Macs cannot get viruses /spywares/malwares is actually a myth. If not there would not have been antiviruses for Macs in the market. including Macafee and Symantec. Yes they are less because % of Windows users far outnumber % of Mac users .

Religious wars on PCs. Ordinarily I'd say the war was limited to @home zealots, but companies engage in this a well. They "pick" software oftentimes because it is or isn't from Microsoft. There might be something to not being 100% MS - I'm not sure. What I do know is I've programmed on many many plkatforms. The early Macs had a very fun development environment. Course the "apps" was what made it the best "app" I've ever worked on. That said, it actually doesn't matter what hardware is better or what OS is better (assumning cost and other factors are not completely out of bounds from each other). I believe OS/2 was better than Windows. I believe Macs have (or had) the best graphics. It doesn't matter. To make my point before stating my point, I took a college course in database technology after I had 10 years experience in mostly Big Blue Big Iron technologies. Big question on the final was "what is the best database technology today and why". I wrote IBM IMS because that is where the money is. Got that question correct. It didn't matter the soundness of the technology, what was technically better or vastly cheaper. If you knew IBM IMS you got a great paying job just about anywhere. You could be a zealot and use another vendor that might have been cheaper to purchase, maintain, use, any metric you want, but if only 3 university shops in different states use it, and evewn if they pay top dollar - what's the point? MS currently has what is called global dominance in "market share". If you want to exchange documents on the internet or between home and work in most companies you use the MS Office document formats. Open source products match the formats the dominance is so great. And that is a good thing. That is what everyone cryed for when all Mac softeware behaved the same. So MS did same thing LIKE EVERYONE WANTED (well, except Apple), and now software more or less behaves the same. Same is true for programming languages. Sure some are demonstratably better than others. Some have real world legacy issue to hang around. Some only stay around because the lead developer on a project knows "x" so "x" is what will be used. If they use "y", well, he/she is no longer a subject matter expert. And lotys of folks made their choice on PC or Mac long ago and do not want the hassle and expense of rebuying everything to convert, so whatever choice they made whenever makes what they have now in whatever upgraded form "the best". Nothing is "the best" in all categories and year in year out. The only outdated concept here is that there are still folks so pigheaded as to keep this religious war going. It is over - the market place said so. And over time it will change. Big Blue learned that lession hard.

I'm not sure if it's true or not but I was always under the impression that the virus writers were MAC owners. They couldn't overthrow the "Microsoft Government" so they used terrorist tactics.

Now I think it's mostly ignorant inbred people who beat their wives because they are inadequate. Just like the spammers and the terrorists. They feel no self respect so they feel big about themselves by hurting and killing people from the safety of their own homes or hiding in the bushes.

Exactly, it is just brilliant how Microsoft mirrors Apple's anti-Microsoft spin. Apple is a technology company that even sues bloggers... I mean ... bloggers and obstructs interoperability. Microsoft is the progenitor of open systems and fair competition.

Microsofts open? or Fair?

You can make Apple the bad guy all you want, i don't care.. The amount of Apple lust masquerading as hate for them is insane. The sad part is you all really want iphones, you just want iphone's your way, and unfortunately, there are corporate dollars to be spent and earned using it, so we won't get our full way.

But when you call Microsoft "fair" and "open to competition" your smoking crack. This company wrote the book on anti competitive behavior and influencing everyone from hardware makers to the state to only purchase it's CLOSED tech.

The whole apple tax thing is stupid anyway. Go look at dell XPS, sony Vaio's and other high end PC's. There the same prices. You don't blame mercedes for not making civic's.

You do remember who the underdog is here?

I just looked at other high end macs.
The highest end mac is worth almost 3200$
My current PC is at least 4 times the computer and cost me less then 1000$
thats 2200$+ in apple tax.
The tax is more then the product.

I attempted to modify the system to make it equivelent to what I'm currently running. They didn't have some of the things I do to ad them, so I just got as close as I could and left out adding any extra's. The price now is at 6248 for a computer that I personally built for 1000$
now were up to a 5000$+ apple tax
Someone was talking about having money to spend. if your spending this kind of money for an inferior product you just have more money then brains. *by inferior, I am speaking of the hardware, they don't even have the high end stuff available, the cpus are outdated models, same deal with video cards.

oh we all want an iphone eh? yeah, we're so jealous lol... and i own an XPS laptop, paid less for it at the time and it had higher specs than the latest macbook offering at the time and i opted for a 9cell battery too

also for the price you're paying, i'd expect a warranty to cover anything, including accidental damage

and if you take the time to build your own system well you can outdo anything Apple offers half the price, 3 times the power

I couldn't care less about using an iPhone whatsoever. It's an overpriced technology chained to one carrier, and its' competitors will soon do the same thing cheaper.

Long story short, it's like everything else Apple ever does.

Nobody is trying to make Apple the bad guy, Apple does enough of that themselves. Everyone is always trying to jump on Microsoft. Wasn't it Microsoft that saved Apple from sinking into bankruptcy?

Actually Microsoft and Apple both stole from Central Point Software. They were the true innovators of software.

It's kind of funny... The software companies are like the Middle East. Everyone is killing everyone else because of their religious beliefs are different. While the hardware companies are like the USA. Every religion may have differences, but they aren't killing each other or fighting all the time about it. Intel and Motorola never got into a mud throwing frenzy

wow, I seriously doubt you have any idea what your talking about, I've been building PC's since I was 16 and what your saying here sounds like serious BS. I hope to god your not one of those dumb asses that thinks a core 2 duo and regular dual core are the same thing.

Mr. jinkwelby, care to tell some concrete advantage of MAC over PC. Other than your typical Windows hater comments. My bad, just realized that only thing you could say was about UI. You must be one of those disney kiddie who likes those MAC style big icons and things like that. And then running around all over the house to figure what what the icon does and where did u find it the first place.

I'm a PC Tech. I've been in the business for 20+ years and I've used both MAC and Wintel. I simply prefer the Microsoft OS model. There's nothing else to it. I know Apple and Microsoft users and they all say great things about their systems. I'll have to say, and this is to JinkWelby@hotmail.com as well, that if asked, the only reason that I recommend that they buy their kids Windows machines is that Apple is not used in Business in the same quantity as Windows. Plain and simple. The kids of today need to know the OS being used in business so they can succeed. Nothing more, nothing less. I know the value of OSX, because I have used it. I know that it is used more by artists than Windows. I really like the music writing software on OSX than compared to Windows. But OSX gets beaten as a business machine. If you have proper protection and educated users, you don't get viruses on Windows. Gone are the days of Script Kiddie viruses taking down entire servers for hours. You don't hear about the next Melissa virus because hackers are too busy trying to figure out the next social engineering phishing scheme they can come up with. Sure you'll have families come down with viruses, but that's because they're not as educated as they should be. Honestly, feature for feature, OSX and Windows are near on par. It's just a matter of what is used in the business world and what isn't.

I'm a Mac IT guy for 15 years, and I call bulls***.

My file services are held by an Xserve, and my mail with exchange 08. Would you like to see my uptime? The difference is months. (in favor of the 3 year old, 1ghz G4 xserve)

/from a mac run biz, about 60 mac's and 10 PC's.
//always more problems with the PC's but the people here can barley use the mac's so i won't take that one:D

BFD. I had an XP box that was heavily used and was up for just short of a year (and it would have been *over* a year, had I not done something stupid and reset to fix it)

I'm not saying anyone who likes a PC is ignorant. I'm saying that sometimes you get what you pay for - and in the case of Apple-OSX / PC-Windoze, I think the "Apple-tax" baloney is just that. I'm writing this response in XP on my MacBook Pro because because my job demands I use SQL Server \ Visual Studio. .Net is some nice technology stolen from Delphi and Java but is quickly becoming the usual MS Juggernaut... but I digress.

Firstly, I had to toss Vista off of here because of lousy performance with some of the software I'm forced to use. Nice waste of time and money that was - Vista was not cheap for the Business version either (MS Tax). And now they expect me to pony up a big junk of change for Vista SP3 (W7). Hmmm.

Secondly, this MacBookPro is the best windoze laptop I've ever had - looks great, performs great, feels great, weighs great. I'll be happy with it for years and still get a more reasonable buck for it when I'm done.

Thirdly and finally, whenever I'm not forced to use winware, I boot into OSX. What a difference - a beautiful, spry and polished GUI and "built-in" software that are a pleasure to look at and to use. A wonderful OS to "dive deeply into" as well with it's Unix under-pinnings. It makes me feel more creative, light, and I have more fun being productive when I'm there. And Apple's next version of OSX - which is focused almost purely on even more polish and performance (brilliant!) and not just a bunch of fixes, feature creep, and some makeup (W7) - will only cost 30$.

The Apple Tax quickly becomes the Apple Tax Rebate when you really start to get down to it.

I may still have to use Windoze sometimes but I am no longer a "Windows Hypnotard". I have woken up and I hope MS does too and comes up with an OS that doesn't feel so much like a Pinto trying to fool us with a Porsche paint job and price tag to boot.

you get what you pay for.
An operating system that you can do nothing with.
Go ahead tell me you are a video editor
or an image editor.
That is the answer that 90% of mac users give you.
There are others but we all know they are just un true.
See the trick to mac is they limit user capabilities.
They are made for people who do not like to tweak.
of course why fix what is perfect? perfect for you is not perfect for me.
I am an image editor and 3d designer, from autocad/autodesk 2d to full
on 3d I use a ton of differnt tools for image edition and designe, I tweak them all for my needs.
I have looked for mac tweak websites. not very impressed with the results.

See if you limit the world to one button one design, you limit creativity and growth.
The world can not live on just what you have been taught, you have to stumble into things
and learn things, along with getting taught. Meaning you can not grow with th theory of
"it just works". Why does it work, how does it work, how can i make it better? what can I add to it
how can I make it work better for my specific need. Should we all take a mac class and
putting on our riding crops and blinders and stay in our cubicles and never peak out
to see how someone else does things?

My opinion, apple is the nazi of operating systems and software.
They throw a tantrum if you release their leaked info.
They only want their o/s on their machines.

I will be a happy man when microsoft open sources win 95 -win me
http://truxtertech.com/news

TruxTer - you didn't read my full post obviously. OS X is deep - much more fun to tinker with then the Windows child-like DOS underpinnings. I'm a developer and I prefer X Tools to C# though I do admire some of the Delphi/Java tech M$ stole for C# and the IL (not to mention the Delphi engineer who is the mastermind behind it).

Anyhow, Apple has to be secretive for a number of reasons - one of which is that Microsoft tries to steal virtually every idea and bribe away every engineer they have. This is what the "must buy Microsoft because they are the most prevalent" "I'm a PC clone because everyone else is" Fear Types get for supporting the company that has been sued for anti-competitive behavior more than any other company in the history of the world. Wake-up!

Hate to break it to you but ALL companies borrow from one another, Most of Apple's "ideas" have been around forever...you know they weren't the first with the mp3 design and were sued by creative right?

There is something wrong with the Up and down counter. I rated two articles up and both said I rated them down.... Must be a Linux host ;o)

You do have a good point there jinkwelby. That's what I've been trying to say for years. Every OS has it's good points and bad points.

One thing I have to say is... I hate being forced into a feature because some ignorant engineer somewhere thinks it's a good idea. I like Microsoft but I could just smack some of their engineers.

How can M$ steal from Mac ?
Mac steals or buys from Linux.
This designe that you think M$
Ripped from Mac (poorly)
Was a Berryl trick long before mac
cranked it out.

Steve jobs + Leopard = Snow Job.
Mac is not invincible just less people out there to
to report issues. and again, mac would silence it in a heart beat
because so far that has been the only argument Mac has had.
and well, It's not a very good argument .

jinkwelby@hotmail.com, are you one of those conspiracy theorists? I think you're calling the kettle black when you say everyone who likes the PC is "Ignorant".

I don't hate MACs, I just love my PC and wouldn't give it up for anything. As for Blista or Windows 7. I hate the fact that Windows 7 forces us to use that Crappy MAC style interface. I prefer the straight forward classic Windows 98 start menu. It's easy and efficient.

I think it's funny. I just totally hate the Apple/PC commercials. I think they are stupid. I like the Microsoft Fight Back commercials. Especially when they show the 5 year old kids making things.

Apple needs to be put in their place and maybe they will start coming down on prices.

If Apple is so good then how come they can't beat the PC? Even Pixar uses the PC to process their films. They may use the MAC to create the film but it's the PC that encodes and converts the final product.

I'll take a Ribeye over Filet Mignon any day.

One comment about the Price hunter ads. The girl that's a "Film Maker". I don't know if I want to smack her or sleep with her. She's annoying but she's cute with a smoking hot body!!

They may use the MAC to create the film but it's the PC that encodes and converts the final product.

Running Linux.

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These ads are going to have some effect in the market, but they are also going to help Apple's "premium brand" cred. They are entirely focused on price, and cheapskates aren't cool.

While I'd argue that the "Apple Tax" is actually fairly small, since they are very high spec machines, some people will continue to believe it is big. And to them, someone having an Apple shows that they can afford to pay it for a premium product and brand. Heck, if you buy anything but generic K-Mart clothing, you are probably paying a "Tax" that is 100X higher than the "Apple Tax".

Excellent and FUN analysis, Joe!

"Ignorance is Blista" x10000

-The Primal Chant of Windoze Hypnotards

reject: reject: reject: ;)~

Yes, folks, this is truly an informed decision. Two guys in a low-class commercial mocking a competitor is all it takes to inform us all on the right choice.
I'm so happy the majority of people are smarter than that.

Uh...Macs are PCs, so probably talking any common sense to you is above and beyond pointless but here goes.

The only difference from a Wintel box and a Mac is the OS, all the internal components are made by the same manufacturers that make wintel parts. The difference is apple uses a trusting computing module to prevent all hardware from working on it (except specific brands) and uses efi instead of bios.

Macs can get viruses it just won't affect them but you can pass it onto your windows buddies, so again you are clueless.

Don't get too worked worked up. It's kind of hard to explain to someone what they're missing if they have never experienced it. See, a Mac is all the rage and until you experience it, you'll remain clueless.

@internetworld7: Considering the source, your statements are worthless. All you can do is spout how good the Mac is with no real facts to back that up. I can do all sorts of things on Windows that I cannot do on a Mac. And I still cannot customize a computer the way I want and then put the Mac OS on it. Windows is far more flexible (though not as much as Linux in general).

You did the same thing. You said window's was more "Customizable" Which it is not. I can download the same 3rd party apps to change OS X's look dramatically. let me explain something to you, cause i can tell your rather slow...

There's nothing you can do, I can't on my mac. Nothing.

You tho, you don't have that accelometer, or that backlit keyboard, or that isight hd, or that SSD hard drive (or a modern os) and maybe you don't want them... But i wanted a really fast nice to use computer, and i got it. Why hate it ?

Reading comprehension fail. I didn't say anything about Windows being more customizable. I mentioned customizing a computer and *then* putting Windows on it versus putting OS X on it. I can put Windows on pretty much anything I put together. Apple won't let me do the same with its OS.

I find it rather ironic that Microsoft (software) is bragging about laptops (hardware) from other companies. I know the laptops run Windows, so there's a connection. But, why doesn't Microsoft brag about it's software instead? Why not have a commercial showing OS X versus Vista? Or even a commercial talking about the upcoming 7? It is a software company (I won't bring up the Zune. We all know where that's going). I'm sure the hardware companies love the free advertising from the software company that has them by the short hairs.

I have a very strong feeling (based on Microsoft's track record for "honesty") that this story is either made up, or grossly distorted from what actually happened (if Turner did actually receive a call from Apple).

i'd actually like to see an ad featuring every bit of software that runs on Windows (including every game as well) oh along with software companies use that had been developed for private use pit against all the software available for OS X. great idea there closeencounter

i can't begin to imagine what kind of display would have to be built to show off the products, Apples on the other hand? well i would try not to laugh to hard

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

You buy the non-Apple laptop, you get the microsoft OS. MS doesn't need to do an operating system side by side, as the consumers that are going to take note of the AD in the first place will be more susceptible and swayed by a value proposition than a comparison of the operating systems - which when you look at them at "face value" there's not going to be that much difference.

Hehehe, yeah How about just show the Mac Fans that have been waiting for two years for CIV4's Beyond the Sword ;) Most that I know of have given up waiting and are running it thru CrossOver + WinXP or BootCamp + WinXP.

closeencounter I think what microsoft is bragging about is the fact that you can have what you want, on what ever hardware you want, by using their operating system.. You know, like linux does :-). Mac does not and will not offer such a thing. Yes M$ has problems with some hardware combos. Mac has issues with 80% of hardware combos. now to buy a new mac/intel machine, and format the uselessness out of it, and install M$ on it, you will probably have the best running computer money can buy. Again, M$ does not make hardware. why would they?

internetworld7
The line where you said "See, a Mac is all the rage" Pretty much tells me the mentality of many (not all) Mac users.. Please do not enter the debate with that. My forehead suddenly got cold and my eyes went dim when I read that.

win vista and win 7 did of course remove ftp access from windows explorer, so you have to go to firefox fireftp for that, I am upset with that. but

lol *facepalm...

lmao, your funny.

You must be tired after shoveling all that BS...

Wow, just WoW..... I ass-u-me you haven't tried Windows 7. Show me any reports where Mac has around 32.5% of the market. (Assumeing Microsoft had %50%, 50*0.65=32.5 leaving 17.5% for various flavors of *nix). (Just a generalization, not from real statistics).

As for Microsoft running scared, Yeah, right. I admit that Microsoft is concerned, hell, more than concerned, but not running scared. Yes, Macs are getting more mainstream, and this Chrome OS has them concerned. But Apple beating Mac senseless? Maybe a few years from now, if Google doesn't take over. I'm not sure what reality you are in, or what you are smoking, but around here, we share. :-) Can I have a hit?

Is this imaginaryland? Are you confusing MS and Apple? Apple has maybe a 10% in the OS market. Is nowhere near the size of MS.

The fact you go on that windows 7 offers nothing new shows everyone you never have used it otherwise you would know there is a lot of changes even the resident mac guy on betanews agrees that Windows 7 is impressive, he agrees with PC_Tool which is like the apocalypse coming.

Less software? So Apple runs all enterprise apps and all games now too, hm?

I can't tell if you work for Apple and are some of their PR or you are just a poor excuse for a fanboy.

Also, you can freely check out Windows 7 now to see if it really is a farce like Vista until March 2010 which is 5 months after its been out for actual sale.

Next time you troll try not to come off as someone without a clue...

"he agrees with PC_Tool which is like the apocalypse coming."

Hey, I ... well...yeah, ok.

Enough fanboy enough! Apple's PC market share is 7.5% as of today. Microsoft is beating them hands down with the I am a PC marketing.

iPhone is a different story and they have done really well.

Your making numbers up to support an argument.
Windows has almost 90% market share and apple has close to 10% market share.

Microsoft is not really in the hardware market, it is very easy to make money by just selling software. Especially when your the dominant OS platform.

Here is a link to see the actual Marketshare per OS for the last quarter:
http://marketshare.hitsl...pct=0&qptimeframe=Q

I'm not sure how you justify any of your BS about the software because that has always been the weak point of the Macintosh. The software available on the market for Mac is about 1/2 or 1/3 of that available for the PC (Windows) market.

Just go to your local software store, or best buy. You can clearly see the difference.

OSx is a very good operating system, it doesn't need an idiot like you to make up lies to protect it. I am pretty sure your more threatened by Windows 7 than Apple is.

I am using Windows 7 RC now and I know from experience that it will run more not less apps than Vista including any XP apps and OS X does get viruses and malware if you don't believe me google OS X malware.

You guys talk about it like your actually Microsoft or Apple

You MS fanboys, stevemember, arfuldodga, pc_tool, your just mac zealots spun the other way. By the way, OP of this comment has a actual point, he's just to fanatical about it.

zune? zune store? bing? msn search? and now window's mobile.

You guys have fun with your zunes and your window's mobile phones that crash when you have a complex page rendered in mobile IE (personal experience)

From virtualization, to Crossover and bootcamp,

(i run the PC versions of office, half life 2, and a few other programs natively, without a VM, under os x, without windows loaded or licensed in anyway:D)

you know why the iphone is going to be more stable? It cannot run multiple apps at the same time like winmo can. Apple themselves have stated this...

Oh, so because YOU have a complex page rendered in IE it means all winmo phones crash? Thanks for clearing that up...

The zune is a great device and has a much more intuitive gui but they came late to the party and released features for the device 3 yrs too late.

Bing also is a great search engine but again everyone knows of google so that is going to be a tougher battle and another article makes a good point that MS may be doing all this to just say we grabbed some of the pie and we are willing to go for the jugular if you continue to provoke us...

You yourself are just a fanboy in denial, you talk about the zealots then go on and use the exact same comments the anti-ms fans use.

woah man, they're up to like 11% share they are well and truly "beating them senseless"!

What could you do in OS X that you couldn't do in System 7? Nothing, that's what.

I'll have lots of fun, since Microsoft actually stands behind their warranty on the Zune. Hope you have as much fun when the battery in your iPod dies and Apple will only tell you "tough luck, buy a new one"

hmm yeah, i enjoy windows, i prefer it over linux (by a long shot) atm anyway... congrats at stating the obvious? i tried OS 10 awhile back, i tried to enjoy it, just couldn't... who knows why, wasn't at all my thing (friends laptop)

i've been debating trying it again, but i don't want to buy a netbook, use a hacked copy of OS X... too much hassle and besides Windows 7 runs better on decent netbook. the guts of a Mac? i can get on any PC, i don't buy s*** because of an outside look (shiney) thats pretty gay... i mean its a factor sure, i guess... i think about the appearance for a second

so i guess all that makes me a fanboy, what are you jessedegenrate

Do any of the bozos attacking this guy have a clue? He said "market cap", not "market share".

Would be great if the Microsoft marketing guy actually received an email or even a registered letter which would sort of be, like, you know, evidence... but I guess we have to believe the company who famously faked screen shots in court (http://en.wikipedia.org/...ted_States_v._Microsoft).

I see the Microsoft bashers are in full force on this article. As some of the others on here, I have to laugh at Apple for complaining about these ads. They do the "I'm a Mac/I'm a PC" ads, basically putting down Windows, and then complain when Microsft comes out with thier own ads, showing that a Windows PC is cheaper.

As for "fatty's" suposed Microsoft Tax, any PC user worth thier salt will stay away from the stupid Fire Dog or Geek squad type support. It is a waste of money for anyone. And if you are smart, I don't care what OS you use, you should have some sort of Anti-virus, Firewall, IDS, type support. As for support, I don't have a Mac, but my iPod & iPhone came with 30 days of support/warentee. I had to pony up $ to extend it. Yes, I know the software is free, unless you have an iPod Touch.

"but my iPod & iPhone came with 30 days of support/warentee"

Yes, as an American you got boned.
Europe gets a year.

I'm not surprised at that one. It goes to show that there are pluses and minuses on both sides of the pond. There are good things that come out of the overzealous EU.

Okay, so which is it? Viewing the last week's worth of comments I've seen regular posters (some credible, some not) claiming BN to be both pro-Microsoft and anti-Microsoft.

And then there's this: "Even if untrue, it's a helluva good story..." How about doing something called "Fact-Checking"? Maybe this happened, maybe it didn't, but someone at BN has to have attended a journalism class and realize that credibility should be verified. That comment at the front of the story questions the validity of the story as a legitimate piece of journalism and degenerates it into "omg lol read this".

I miss the Betanews that wasn't Slashdot.

"The ads should show the Microsoft Tax"

*laughing*

I knew you'd show up here.

Hmmm...

I could browse the web, play games, and send emails for $650, or I could do the same for $999.

Sure, it won't be running Illustrator, but then...I don't run Illustrator...so why do I care?

I always thought a tax meant you'd be spending *more*...not less.

(Oh, and before you launch into another psychotic break: AV=Free, Firewall=Free, 3 year support, and cost of OS built into $650 pricetag....)

Yeah, and you'll do this on a Celeron processor painfull slow, and have to upgrade in a year to run your next service patch.

Every OS has free anti virus, welcome to 1998.

the point of the comment was you pay for actual hardware with Apple, and MS charges you $200 for Windows. Which is kinda funny.

No doubt PC companies do make some very cheap products... (not a compliment entirely)

Microsoft is a software company, the majority of users will get windows with a new pc purchase, the people that know better will buy oem which is $100 not $200

Apple is a hardware company, they can sell the OS cheap because they make their money off the hardware. If OSX was able to run on any PC there would be no need for apple hardware (there is no such thing FYI its using TPM to prevent other hardware from running on it)

Apple is a PC which makes their commercials all that much funnier.

Also, you can buy a new pc with a quad core for that amt not celeron....

"Yeah, and you'll do this on a Celeron processor painfull slow, and have to upgrade in a year to run your next service patch. "

You have to lie to make a point? Try "Core-duo". Try "works fine with XP, Vista, and Win7".

"Every OS has free anti virus, welcome to 1998. "

Thanks for restating my point? fathead would have you believe otherwise (hence the "super-expensive OS, antivirus...etc)

"the point of the comment was you pay for actual hardware with Apple, and MS charges you $200 for Windows. Which is kinda funny. "

Kinda funny how?

Apple is a hardware company, Microsoft is a software company. Makes perfects sense to me.

The point is that for the majority of people (those not using Illustrator and Photoshop), they can get what they need for what they do *cheaper* by not going the Apple route.

"No doubt PC companies do make some very cheap products... (not a compliment entirely)"

No doubt you can get a 2.8ghz system to do document editing instead of the quad-core i7 and get the same amount of stuff done...for less. (Intel CPUs, Intel mainboards, Micron memory, Toshiba drives...these are "cheap" (I can only assume you mean "low quality" parts?

CLASSIC.

Apparently what's good for the Goose is indeed, not good for the Gander.

Well done! You managed to get your comment EXACTLY the wrong way round.

Microsoft has shot back to number 1 in the most recognised and respected brands in the UK as of last month.

Regrettably they've still not released the Zune in Europe.

Office 08 is poor compared to iWork.

i would guess zune hd is on its way, thats also on my list when it comes to canada

Viruses and instability? I have had Vista running on two computers in my home, plus over 200 PC's at work, and have had NO stability issues that werent caused by customers pulling out the drives before shutdown of their laptop or throwing excessive garbage and simply clicking "OK" to everything.

Your words fall on deaf ears. Let them continue with the instability/insecurity/virus vs. Windows thing....someday, someday they will actually USE one and realize that what they hear isn't true, unless they're just really stupid.

Same here, I run at home and at work.

It's a very stable OS, with few problems besides being bloated. Windows 7 will streamline the OS and refine some key problems.

We have it on around 200 machines, and I support them with very few issues.

I didn't like the following about vista:
Some of the control panel applets were made much more difficult (networking) and were a step back in ease of use
With the introduction of UAC they removed the "Run as" another user option, I found power tool to do this.
Deploying Vista from an imaging perspective is pretty nice because of the separation of the hardware layer, but they also changed quite a few things which made it more difficult.

It's funny, when I think of the UK "Mac vs PC", I realise that I'm much more with David Mitchell ("PC") who is know for his sparking wit and intelligence, rather than Mr Webb ("Mac") who is known for dancing in tights.

Heh. True that.

LOL

http://zipclue.com

poor Apple. Just wondering what will happen to endangered os--snow leopard after the release of Windows 7. Forgot to mention that Windows 7 is the top selling software in the UK right now :)

pre-ordered my copy the other day *eagerly awaits october

daww poor Apple, can't take the heat ... don't start a fire? lol its fine and dandy for them to spread their lies about Windows but when it comes to Microsoft pointing out the negative about Apple, blasphemers!

http://movies.apple.com/...us-20090512_480x272.mov

yeah... right, hmm why haven't i had any of these issues for the last 10 years? %#@$ you Apple, eat it

Agree with you

One possible call from a single attorney does not show that Apple can't take the heat. I'm sure they expected that MS would eventually find an effective response to their low-blow ad campaign. I seriously doubt Jobs is all that worried about these ads.

You don't work for MS, or Apple,

responding like that says something about you man. This whole page is so Freudian.

lol

Virtualisation... :) Hyper-V bundled with Windows for the special antitrust circumventing low low price of $29.95! (cue whacky inflatable armflailing tubemen)

Another great example of why Microsoft should have been split in two all those years ago... Luckily it seems VMware's ex-msftie CEO knows a thing or two about bundling as well if agreements with IBM, Dell, etc are to come to full fruition...

You are kidding me right? MS is not bundling for free. Have you seen how Google is bundling its software offerings? It is an open market and everything's possible.

I believe these are the right moves. Use a successful platform to build another successful one - there's no harm

The legal definition of "bundling" requires a payment to be made. You can't bundle free, it's oxymoronic.

If you honestly believe firefox and dell and any other company allows bundling googles toolbar or search is done out of the goodness of their heart you are sadly mistaken.

"whacky inflatable armflailing tubemen"
LOL
love it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZHpGYFPls

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